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jeanpierre 03-18-2020 09:37 AM
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st thomas 03-18-2020 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 882046)
Seems like it. We might as well just ride with Kiko at this point and spend the money elsewhere. Maybe try to pull off a trade.

Kiko 3rd acl? Likely not going to make the cut.


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jeanpierre 03-18-2020 09:43 AM
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RefsRobbedUs 03-18-2020 09:44 AM
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Robby Anderson
Yeah he is asking for too much. Probably why he isn’t signed

jeanpierre 03-18-2020 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 882046)
Seems like it. We might as well just ride with Kiko at this point and spend the money elsewhere. Maybe try to pull off a trade.
Two things to keep in mind...

First, we've amassed some talent at LBer now; while we can debate Anzalone's health, there's Kaden Elliss as well as Chase Hansen, who had a fourth round grade till a lingering college injury hurt his draft stock...

Second, we're in 4-3 under less than a 1/3 of the time (that's probably generous); the nickel is really the base defense now and other than kick coverage, the modern game has relegated 3 or more LBers obsolete...

And we've got fourth, fifth, sixth round picks where we can add a fifth, maybe sixth LBer that would have talent not only on special teams, but on kick coverage...

Now, Robinson is older, but we have Demario, Anzalone, Kiko, Robinson, Ellis all rested up coming back already that can play base defense as well; not that a LBer can have an impact, but DB, DE is more important...

jeanpierre 03-18-2020 10:02 AM
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K Major 03-18-2020 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 882057)
Two things to keep in mind...

First, we've amassed some talent at LBer now; while we can debate Anzalone's health, there's Kaden Elliss as well as Chase Hansen, who had a fourth round grade till a lingering college injury hurt his draft stock...

Second, we're in 4-3 under less than a 1/3 of the time (that's probably generous); the nickel is really the base defense now and other than kick coverage, the modern game has relegated 3 or more LBers obsolete...

And we've got fourth, fifth, sixth round picks where we can add a fifth, maybe sixth LBer that would have talent not only on special teams, but on kick coverage...

Now, Robinson is older, but we have Demario, Anzalone, Kiko, Robinson, Ellis all rested up coming back already that can play base defense as well; not that a LBer can have an impact, but DB, DE is more important...
I hear you however on paper ... collectively, the linebacker position as a group isn't all that impressive. Then + add in we've lost the best LB coach in the business.

It gets really old when we have to rely on lower round/undrafted players or guys who are always injured. Elliss is essentially still a rookie, coming off a knee tear & Craig is SLOW. Who knows how many games we'll get out of Anzalone.

We know how the Saints like to "trade up" to get their guy ... Isaiah Simmons or Murray could be that player in 2020 draft.

Gotta get faster at the position. Demario needs help.

rezburna 03-18-2020 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 882057)
Two things to keep in mind...

First, we've amassed some talent at LBer now; while we can debate Anzalone's health, there's Kaden Elliss as well as Chase Hansen, who had a fourth round grade till a lingering college injury hurt his draft stock...

Second, we're in 4-3 under less than a 1/3 of the time (that's probably generous); the nickel is really the base defense now and other than kick coverage, the modern game has relegated 3 or more LBers obsolete...

And we've got fourth, fifth, sixth round picks where we can add a fifth, maybe sixth LBer that would have talent not only on special teams, but on kick coverage...

Now, Robinson is older, but we have Demario, Anzalone, Kiko, Robinson, Ellis all rested up coming back already that can play base defense as well; not that a LBer can have an impact, but DB, DE is more important...
Understood, but I feel like we need to have the capability to go 4-3 to deal with the run. Also, smart teams killed us to the outside with sweeps and tosses. We have to get faster from sideline to sideline. I know Anzalone can do it, but he has to stay on the field. If any position was weak this year, it was LB’er.

st thomas 03-18-2020 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 882062)
Understood, but I feel like we need to have the capability to go 4-3 to deal with the run. Also, smart teams killed us to the outside with sweeps and tosses. We have to get faster from sideline to sideline. I know Anzalone can do it, but he has to stay on the field. If any position was weak this year, it was LB’er.

I looked back at the few games alozone played he’s pretty good sideline to sideline. but up the gut on him he’s kind of tunnel vision and he gets knocked out of a play by not fighting thru some blocks.


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rezburna 03-18-2020 11:48 AM
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We signed Malcolm Jenkins.

RefsRobbedUs 03-18-2020 11:50 AM
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We signed Malcolm Jenkins.
Bell must be gone

rezburna 03-18-2020 11:52 AM
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Bell must be gone
Possibly. We upgraded regardless.

K Major 03-18-2020 11:55 AM
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I like the move. It's time to change things up in the secondary anyway.

This team desperately needs leadership on the back end.

You need a veteran presence and Jenkins is smart & can still play.

RefsRobbedUs 03-18-2020 11:56 AM
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Agreed

The Dude 03-18-2020 12:06 PM
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I am ok with Jenkins. Getting a little old. Hope we find a way to keep Bell.

saintsfan1976 03-18-2020 12:31 PM
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FWIW, Jenkins graded higher than Bell last year

RaginCajun83 03-18-2020 01:08 PM
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Championship

RaginCajun83 03-18-2020 01:14 PM
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I really do like this signing, the last 3 Seasons the team lost in the playoffs after giving up big plays in the passing game. Worse comes to worse he adds veteran leadership

lee909 03-18-2020 01:21 PM
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Like it

Makes sense to keep Bell too if not to pricey

ChrisXVI 03-18-2020 01:30 PM
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Payton rights the wrong he’s always regretted. Jenkins will slide right in at SS and Gardner-Johnson can keep the nickel CB spot locked down.

K Major 03-18-2020 01:46 PM
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I really do like this signing, the last 3 Seasons the team lost in the playoffs after giving up big plays in the passing game. Worse comes to worse he adds veteran leadership
** ^^^^ This right here 83.

Sean P/Dennis Allen value veteran leadership on the back end. A smart guy who understands coverages, assignments & disguises. Losing (specifically the secondary) late has cost us W's & premature exits in the playoffs. Leadership on the back end is welcomed & necessary.

Another "Thee" Ohio State Buckeye so you knew it was a lock :p.

jeanpierre 03-18-2020 01:49 PM
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Jenkins will be 33yo by season's end - :rolleyes: - there's a reason Philly let him go...

Rugby Saint II 03-18-2020 02:00 PM
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He's smart and it's the mental breakdowns that have killed us the last three years. Everyone always wants to get younger....I want to get smarter on D and this signing would go a long way toward solidifying a good defense.

K Major 03-18-2020 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 882102)
Jenkins will be 33yo by season's end - :rolleyes: - there's a reason Philly let him go...
It's more about money than ability with MJ.

Watch how Philly's secondary unravel on the back end in 2020 without him.

ChrisXVI 03-18-2020 02:31 PM
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RefsRobbedUs 03-18-2020 02:46 PM
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Jenkins will be 33yo by season's end - :rolleyes: - there's a reason Philly let him go...
He was let go cause he was owed 14m

K Major 03-18-2020 02:55 PM
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I wish Eli well. Was playing some good football, then the subsequent injury and it went downhill from there.

Unfortunate but good luck in Raider Nation.

jeanpierre 03-18-2020 03:06 PM
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RefsRobbedUs 03-18-2020 03:11 PM
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Chargers won

Sigh

jeanpierre 03-18-2020 03:17 PM
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Adam and Ian trying to compete with Ms Thang...

jeanpierre 03-18-2020 03:18 PM
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Curious why we keep losing out with certain Big Targets in Free Agency...

jeanpierre 03-18-2020 03:19 PM
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rezburna 03-18-2020 03:21 PM
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They can all go. I like Bell though.

ChrisXVI 03-18-2020 03:36 PM
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Man, I haven’t heard one peep about any teams being interested in Peat.

ChrisXVI 03-18-2020 03:37 PM
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K Major 03-18-2020 03:39 PM
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Man, I haven’t heard one peep about any teams being interested in Peat.
I'm not surprised :brood:. The tape says he's a below average guard.

Dude got exposed a lot & the fact that he's had little interest is telling.

st thomas 03-18-2020 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 882135)
I'm not surprised :brood:. The tape says he's a below average guard.

Dude got exposed a lot & the fact that he's had little interest is telling.

If he would devote his asre to the club he could move up to a c- guard which would be depth


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AsylumGuido 03-18-2020 03:54 PM
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All of this restructuring has got to be opening a big chuck of cap space. Who the big fish we are trying to bring in?

RefsRobbedUs 03-18-2020 04:06 PM
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Give me Perriman and Golden.

brees84 03-18-2020 04:24 PM
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Perriman is younger Ginn. Deep threat with drop issues. This draft is loaded with WR talent. Signing Perriman this off season won't be very smart idea.


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