Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments

jnormand · 06-05-2020, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

It takes more training in the US to become a hair stylist than a police officer.

Chris I respect you, but that's just not true. I understand everyone's is all pissed off at cops right now, but a statement like that is ridiculous.

And if you and others feel that way, then call the hairstylist to come over when someone is breaking into your house, when someone is trying to hurt you or your family, when someone does something to your wife or kids. Or hell, call the the hairstylist when you or your family is in danger and need help. I'm sure they'll drop their scissors and come over.

I know a lot of officers. And 99% of them are wonderful and caring people who go out and put their ass on the line daily. They get **** on because of the deeds and actions of a small percentage of officers that made terrible mistakes or are just plain pieces of ****. That small percentage and the media and politicians have demonized police officers all over this country. It's awful.

Holding a large group of people responsible for the actions of a small percentage is just not right.

FinSaint · 06-05-2020, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Training is very important but I would say our programs lack sufficient periodic screening to determine who is fit for duty.

That's true for here as well. Cops here don't have periodic screenings nor have a scheduled chance to talk to a professional to unburden themselves.

Problem is that Finnish people tend to be quite introverted and we self-medicate ourselves with alcohol instead of talking to anyone about our problems, since we don't want to burden others with our problems.

Also, violence here tends to be directed at ourselves or our immediate family, not strangers.

We have our share of social and racial problems, but nothing compared to what you guys are going through.

All I'm saying is that being a law enforcement officer is a very difficult profession, which makes hard demands on an individual. It also is the kind of profession that draws in individuals who enjoy a position of authority and the prestige the job gives you, while others perceive it as a calling to help their community.

Long hours, high stress, budget cuts, being undermanned, and rarely getting the appreciation they deserve - sometimes I wonder how we have any cops to begin with.

spkb25 · 06-05-2020, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Chris I respect you, but that's just not true. I understand everyone's is all pissed off at cops right now, but a statement like that is ridiculous.

And if you and others feel that way, then call the hairstylist to come over when someone is breaking into your house, when someone is trying to hurt you or your family, when someone does something to your wife or kids. Or hell, call the the hairstylist when you or your family is in danger and need help. I'm sure they'll drop their scissors and come over.

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ChrisXVI · 06-05-2020, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Chris I respect you, but that's just not true. I understand everyone's is all pissed off at cops right now, but a statement like that is ridiculous.

And if you and others feel that way, then call the hairstylist to come over when someone is breaking into your house, when someone is trying to hurt you or your family, when someone does something to your wife or kids. Or hell, call the the hairstylist when you or your family is in danger and need help. I'm sure they'll drop their scissors and come over.

I know a lot of officers. And 99% of them are wonderful and caring people who go out and put their ass on the line daily. They get **** on because of the deeds and actions of a small percentage of officers that made terrible mistakes or are just plain pieces of ****. That small percentage and the media and politicians have demonized police officers all over this country. It's awful.

Holding a large group of people responsible for the actions of a small percentage is just not right.

On average it takes 840 training hours to become a police officer. To become a barber: 1500 hours.

Many trades require hundreds of hours more in training than police. In Louisiana entry-level police require 360 hours in training. To be a licensed manicurist, you'll need 500 hours.

skymike · 06-05-2020, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

On average it takes 840 training hours to become a police officer. To become a barber: 1500 hours.

FYI, I support Police.
I bought paid for 2 guys dinner 3 nights ago at a restaurant in my
Barrio, where a lot of you wouldnt live.
Just BECAUSE they are Police.
Thats how it is.

spkb25 · 06-06-2020, 04:52 AM

Today is June 6 and I'm here to remind you that Drew Brees is now pathetic and some black American people have selective outrage. After all the protest, new laws, money flowing into those communities nothing will change and they'll still be killing each other. Have a great day.

saintsfan1976 · 06-06-2020, 08:18 AM

Imagine the progress we could make as a nation by holding our communities and leaders as accountable as we do a few violent police officers.

I pray for the day we can all treat each other as brothers and sisters. Racism is not inherent, it’s taught. In today’s world it’s not only taught, it’s promoted at the expense of each other’s understanding of one another.

Rugby Saint II · 06-06-2020, 11:50 AM

Here's the thing. Anytime I see a policeman they are dealing with people who refuse to cooperate with the polices instructions. This leads to escalation and that never ends well. Sometimes these policemen are black and sometimes they are white. The problem is blacks seem to communicate better with blacks than white officers. I think a factor to consider is that black people are taught to fear policemen, which leads to distrust which leads to lack of cooperation, which leads to escalation, which leads to a volatile situation.

Also, let's not forget that white men shot by a black man get little to no attention. Personally, I believe that is unfair and highly prejudicial. I don't see color. I never have and I never will. Do the police need better training? Obviously. Do black people need to be more cooperative? It might just stop a lot of deaths.

I am talking about the majority of the people that the police encounter and not your average polite citizen.

Disclaimer. When I say black or white I'm talking about the people that the police encounter on a daily basis. Not your polite citizen of any color.

spkb25 · 06-06-2020, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Here's the thing. Anytime I see a policeman they are dealing with people who refuse to cooperate with the polices instructions. This leads to escalation and that never ends well. Sometimes these policemen are black and sometimes they are white. The problem is blacks seem to communicate better with blacks than white officers. I think a factor to consider is that black people are taught to fear policemen, which leads to distrust which leads to lack of cooperation, which leads to escalation, which leads to a volatile situation.

Also, let's not forget that white men shot by a black man get little to no attention. Personally, I believe that is unfair and highly prejudicial. I don't see color. I never have and I never will. Do the police need better training? Obviously. Do black people need to be more cooperative? It might just stop a lot of deaths.

I am talking about the majority of the people that the police encounter and not your average polite citizen.

Disclaimer. When I say black or white I'm talking about the people that the police encounter on a daily basis. Not your polite citizen of any color.

The real truth is most cops are good people. Most of any group are good. But we all need protection from abuse due to the police. It is not a black issue, but when youre a self absorbed victim..everything is about your racial makeup. Well, all except the fact that your group commits more crime per capita and kill each other like the wind blows. Those things are never discussed. Because that's not the issue. And why would it be? Why would you worry if your killing hundreds of yourselves in each major city in America each year and the countless children hit by stray bullets.

I often say to my wife when I look at the pure innocence that is my son, all kids start this way, what the hell happens.

We need after school programs and rec centers for all kids to keep them off the streets. We need to alter the how education is funded from a local lever to a state level so the disparity in education ends. Lastly, we need to alter the thinking around protective sex, self respect, and value of family. It will take years to see dividends but it will pay off

The problem we run into as a society is that white people and black people ****ing love to steal tax payer money. So everytime we fund programs the money doesn't get used efficiently or for the purpose intended.

We need massive oversight and transparency or change is never going to come.

Thats my two cents and I'm sticking with it

06-05-2020, 04:05 PM	#171
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,647	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by ChrisXVI It takes more training in the US to become a hair stylist than a police officer. Chris I respect you, but that's just not true. I understand everyone's is all pissed off at cops right now, but a statement like that is ridiculous. And if you and others feel that way, then call the hairstylist to come over when someone is breaking into your house, when someone is trying to hurt you or your family, when someone does something to your wife or kids. Or hell, call the the hairstylist when you or your family is in danger and need help. I'm sure they'll drop their scissors and come over. I know a lot of officers. And 99% of them are wonderful and caring people who go out and put their ass on the line daily. They get ** on because of the deeds and actions of a small percentage of officers that made terrible mistakes or are just plain pieces of **. That small percentage and the media and politicians have demonized police officers all over this country. It's awful. Holding a large group of people responsible for the actions of a small percentage is just not right. jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.
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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by TheOak Training is very important but I would say our programs lack sufficient periodic screening to determine who is fit for duty. That's true for here as well. Cops here don't have periodic screenings nor have a scheduled chance to talk to a professional to unburden themselves. Problem is that Finnish people tend to be quite introverted and we self-medicate ourselves with alcohol instead of talking to anyone about our problems, since we don't want to burden others with our problems. Also, violence here tends to be directed at ourselves or our immediate family, not strangers. We have our share of social and racial problems, but nothing compared to what you guys are going through. All I'm saying is that being a law enforcement officer is a very difficult profession, which makes hard demands on an individual. It also is the kind of profession that draws in individuals who enjoy a position of authority and the prestige the job gives you, while others perceive it as a calling to help their community. Long hours, high stress, budget cuts, being undermanned, and rarely getting the appreciation they deserve - sometimes I wonder how we have any cops to begin with. jeanpierre and OldMaid like this.
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by jnormand Chris I respect you, but that's just not true. I understand everyone's is all pissed off at cops right now, but a statement like that is ridiculous. And if you and others feel that way, then call the hairstylist to come over when someone is breaking into your house, when someone is trying to hurt you or your family, when someone does something to your wife or kids. Or hell, call the the hairstylist when you or your family is in danger and need help. I'm sure they'll drop their scissors and come over. I know a lot of officers. And 99% of them are wonderful and caring people who go out and put their ass on the line daily. They get ** on because of the deeds and actions of a small percentage of officers that made terrible mistakes or are just plain pieces of **. That small percentage and the media and politicians have demonized police officers all over this country. It's awful. Holding a large group of people responsible for the actions of a small percentage is just not right. On average it takes 840 training hours to become a police officer. To become a barber: 1500 hours. Many trades require hundreds of hours more in training than police. In Louisiana entry-level police require 360 hours in training. To be a licensed manicurist, you'll need 500 hours. OldMaid likes this.

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skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by ChrisXVI On average it takes 840 training hours to become a police officer. To become a barber: 1500 hours. FYI, I support Police. I bought paid for 2 guys dinner 3 nights ago at a restaurant in my Barrio, where a lot of you wouldnt live. Just BECAUSE they are Police. Thats how it is. jnormand, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Today is June 6 and I'm here to remind you that Drew Brees is now pathetic and some black American people have selective outrage. After all the protest, new laws, money flowing into those communities nothing will change and they'll still be killing each other. Have a great day. jnormand and skymike like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Here's the thing. Anytime I see a policeman they are dealing with people who refuse to cooperate with the polices instructions. This leads to escalation and that never ends well. Sometimes these policemen are black and sometimes they are white. The problem is blacks seem to communicate better with blacks than white officers. I think a factor to consider is that black people are taught to fear policemen, which leads to distrust which leads to lack of cooperation, which leads to escalation, which leads to a volatile situation. Also, let's not forget that white men shot by a black man get little to no attention. Personally, I believe that is unfair and highly prejudicial. I don't see color. I never have and I never will. Do the police need better training? Obviously. Do black people need to be more cooperative? It might just stop a lot of deaths. I am talking about the majority of the people that the police encounter and not your average polite citizen. Disclaimer. When I say black or white I'm talking about the people that the police encounter on a daily basis. Not your polite citizen of any color. jnormand and Danno like this.
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Here's the thing. Anytime I see a policeman they are dealing with people who refuse to cooperate with the polices instructions. This leads to escalation and that never ends well. Sometimes these policemen are black and sometimes they are white. The problem is blacks seem to communicate better with blacks than white officers. I think a factor to consider is that black people are taught to fear policemen, which leads to distrust which leads to lack of cooperation, which leads to escalation, which leads to a volatile situation. Also, let's not forget that white men shot by a black man get little to no attention. Personally, I believe that is unfair and highly prejudicial. I don't see color. I never have and I never will. Do the police need better training? Obviously. Do black people need to be more cooperative? It might just stop a lot of deaths. I am talking about the majority of the people that the police encounter and not your average polite citizen. Disclaimer. When I say black or white I'm talking about the people that the police encounter on a daily basis. Not your polite citizen of any color. The real truth is most cops are good people. Most of any group are good. But we all need protection from abuse due to the police. It is not a black issue, but when youre a self absorbed victim..everything is about your racial makeup. Well, all except the fact that your group commits more crime per capita and kill each other like the wind blows. Those things are never discussed. Because that's not the issue. And why would it be? Why would you worry if your killing hundreds of yourselves in each major city in America each year and the countless children hit by stray bullets. I often say to my wife when I look at the pure innocence that is my son, all kids start this way, what the hell happens. We need after school programs and rec centers for all kids to keep them off the streets. We need to alter the how education is funded from a local lever to a state level so the disparity in education ends. Lastly, we need to alter the thinking around protective sex, self respect, and value of family. It will take years to see dividends but it will pay off The problem we run into as a society is that white people and black people ****ing love to steal tax payer money. So everytime we fund programs the money doesn't get used efficiently or for the purpose intended. We need massive oversight and transparency or change is never going to come. Thats my two cents and I'm sticking with it jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.
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