Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments

K Major · 06-04-2020, 09:06 AM

Demario Davis was on CNN earlier this morning ...

Solid, genuine responses.

Easy to see why he has a C on his jersey. He's a leader on and OFF the field.

OldMaid · 06-04-2020, 09:29 AM

The media, the talking heads, these times, nothing is good enough.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBA1P3gH...ource=ig_embed
Sports news and national news are picking him apart again.
Then he is going to get picked apart again during the season. I hope when FOOTBALL commentators ask him about this again, he just says no comment.
It is like a dog with steak,

frydaddy · 06-04-2020, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://twitter.com/YahooFinance/sta...06174073126915

https://twitter.com/drewbrees/status...18410905890818

Made the mistake of scrolling through the comments on his post.... I've lost even more faith in humanity today. So many ignorant people, so determined to be outraged and offended. I feel bad for Drew that he has to put up with this, and from his own teammates on top of it. Sad that a man who has done so much for New Orleans and the state of Louisiana and football in general is being raked over the coals by a bunch of people not smart or qualified enough to carry his jock strap. I'm 99% sure this will be his last year. Probably was going to be anyway, but after this bull**** I can't see any possible reason he would want to stay. It'll be a rollercoaster season, maybe we still sneak into the playoffs, but the effects of this mess will rear their ugly head once again and we'll get bounced out early. At this point I'm torn between hoping the team can continue to be successful after Drew, and wanting to see the whole thing burn to the ground so that all these fools realize how good they had it with Drew. These dudes deserve to have to sit through some ****ty awful seasons and be brought back down to earth. I don't know... the whole situation sucks and they'll probably try to portray sunshine and rainbows by the time the season rolls around, but this is gonna leave a lasting mark and it sure as hell won't make things better.

rezburna · 06-04-2020, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This is the kind of frame of mind that Demario Davis has been lauded and that all people have gotten behind and supported and has seen steps taken. President Trump gets little credit (though he's not afraid to let people know) and that's that he gave people a seat at the table to publicly make their argument about former incarcerated reform and there's been steps taken at the federal and state level to the former incarcerated can have more legit steps to rebuild their lives...

My issue from where I'm standing, is when police brutality is made into only a white cop on black perp crime - #FakeNews Manipulative #MSM knows this and that's what gets the air time and they hammer at it 24/7...

Do you know the same police force in MN killed a white perp who was attempting to surrender by a black police officer?

There was no looting and rioting.

Right here in Louisiana just a few years ago two black police officers shot and killed a white father with his son next to him in the truck on their property.

Again little to none #MSM coverage, but no looting and rioting...

And I've no doubt ANTIFA garbage has jumped in now as the leftists radicals had tried to do in the 1960's and stir racial disharmony among people who genuinely got along before being manipulated by #MSM and #Antifa...

But watching the video online shared by independent reporting, it's not just white kids raiding Cheesecake Factory stores, but folks of colour rioting and looting small businesses, and often those small biz owners are black!

That's when as Demario Davis rightly points out, that the whole thing loses focus - and it loses credibility...

Attacking Drew was just the last straw for me because he didn't repeat, verbatim the exact f*cking message...

People need to get their selfish head out of their arses and understand if we're all Americans, all in this together, then stop with the Identity politics of identifying as only one segment...

Then need to embrace and truly understand when people see #AllLivesMatter, it means that we're all in this fight together, we all hurt when an individual or just a couple of *******s violate an American's Rights and Due Process...

And that when a shady guy with a criminal history, or a 70+yo old police officer (also of colour), or some white punk who's stupidly trying to get some street cred are killed while in police custody - it's a problem for us all...

But the reaction we've seen and the virtue signaling by out-of-touch sports and entertainment personalities, to somehow call out someone like Drew, who did more for Black New Orleanians than even Obama, is bullsh*t...

And what it's worth, I'm not a black man and I can't fully appreciate the BS mindset you've got to go through in some situtations; I truly respect and appreciate that's no easy task...

But to say that poor white folks (jokingly and accepted in entertainment and news circles as white trash) get as rough a treatment; the words and faces may be different, but it's still a humiliating experience...

In my business, I still drive my Dad's old beat-up truck while wearing overalls after working on a farm or in a swamp; and yes, when I've been pulled over, a few of times without cause, I see a difference vs my then newer vehicle...

When I walk into the bank dirty, full of oil and dirt, I feel the shadow creeping up on me vs when I come in dressed dapper. And it's then I realize, like all folks, that the real colour that matters is Green...

Now I've many folks of colour I have as friends and clients - And we've very frank, honest talks and I believe them when they tell me how disgusted they are with all this virtue signaling and political correctness to social problems...

And I believe them and what I believe is their true #wokeness, when they acknowledge that the real colour that matters in this country is Green...

I believe them when they tell me they too, like Drew Brees, value their families' sacrifices, especially in the military, and don't believe in taking a knee...

And I believe them that it's better to sit down together, break bread together as neighbors, and have a calm talk about it without sh*tstarters yellin' from a podium or twitter account...

And for what it's worth, when I invite a handful of my friends and neighbors to come and sit down and burn some ribs and chicken at my small shot/warehouse and just talk, (as my late Dad taught me to do), the level and patience and respect for one another is tremendous...

And I agree with the earlier post, DeMario Davis is a legit man of his Belief in the Almighty, and we've got to stay on message and not tolerate virtue signalling, and especially not rioting and looting...

You won't hear me try and justify Black police officers killing unarmed White civilians. Just the other day we applauded several Black police officers being reprimanded in Atlanta for attacking two innocent, Black college students. Like someone stated earlier, many of us view Black police officers just the same as White police officers because they're often partaking or implicit in the injustice of the force as a whole.

The thing is, the Black community is protesting what effects them as most communities do. If White people take issue with White civilians being murdered by police (Black, White, Asian, or Hispanic) then they too have every right to protest. Our community won't complain, and many would likely join in. It's not our responsibility to draw attention to things happening outside of our community while everybody sits back and chastises us for everything wrong with ours without lifting a finger to help.

As far as media coverage, that has nothing to do with us. We don't control that industry. We don't control the major media outlets. We aren't in control of the narrative. We aren't in control of much of anything which is a large reason why we remain in such poor condition as a whole. We control maybe 2% of the wealth and less than 1% of the land. This is a capitalistic society. We don't have enough of the "GREEN" to dictate our own terms.

In regards to Trump, I'm not a supporter or a detractor of his. I'm indifferent. Whether it be him, Obama, Bush, or Clinton; it's all the same to me. Our overall condition has been the same regardless. Left or Right. Blue or Red. White or Mulatto.

I'm not a reformist in ideology. I'm a revolutionary. I cherish the minds of men like Kwame Ture (Stokely Carmichael). So in saying that, I'm not looking for the support of Drew Brees or the White community like many of counterparts. I believe we can achieve greatness on our own without the help of America. However, it does get annoying hearing the birds chirp.

Finally, the military. I don't know anybody who doesn't have family that's military personnel. My dad is NAVY. My grandpa was ARMY. My great-grandpa fought in WWII and had to come home to Jim Crow in New Orleans. I undoubtedly had ancestors who fought in both the Civil War and Revolutionary War. I mean, my ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War and were still slaves for another 100 years afterwards.

We've been involved in every war this country has ever had. Thus, any way we choose to demonstrate is righteous. People must understand that those stars and bars don't mean the same thing to everybody. While you feel the flag is being disrespected, many feel that those representing that flag have disrespected us for 400 years.

When my father passes hopefully long in the distant future they'll fold that flag up and present it to our family. We all have a connection to it. It's just that these connections aren't all the same.

blackangold · 06-04-2020, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Poverty and violent criminality go hand in hand. There’s study after study detailing that. Most importantly, that should have no bearing on police brutality. Maybe if Black people were killing police at an alarming rate I could see the connection. And snitches get stitches is universal law in all street environments. Does the Yakuza allow snitches? Italians? Mexicans? Nobody does.

Your ideas for legislation are great though for those who see legislation as the end goal.

What do you think some solutions are (end goal)?

rezburna · 06-04-2020, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

What do you think some solutions are (end goal)?

I have to preface the statement by reiterating that I'm not a reformist in ideology. However, most of my community are proponents of reform. When Malcolm X said "By Any Means Necessary" what that really meant was use whatever works. If non-violent protest works, do it. If voting works, do it. If looting and rioting works, do it. If all out warfare works, do it. So I must meet my people where they are.

Therefore, we need legislation that helps put more control of the land, resources, and the means of production in our hands. There was a Homestead Act in 1862 that gave Americans up to 160 acres of federal land in the West. You had the Boomer-Sooner rush of Oklahoma. We need something like that to shrink this large wealth gap.

Again, this is a capitalistic society. How can we fix our faces to say things are equal when one race controls well over 70% (likely and understatement) of the wealth? So if reform is the route, we need any and all legislation that will spread the balance of power more evenly; even if that only means that the amount of wealth, land, and resources is equivalent to our overall population. That would be a VAST improvement.

STEM is the way of the future. Within our own communities we could emphasize focusing on that. You can take those skills anywhere. It doesn't even have to be here in America. I'm pro-gun. So I'm sure we all have a lot in common there.

We need emphasis on self-empowerment and an establishment of the cultural identity we had to give up because of the power structure. It's a lot we can do on our own, and legislation is only as good as the people enforcing it, but a genuine effort goes a long way.

rezburna · 06-04-2020, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

What do you think some solutions are (end goal)?

Also, I appreciate the question.

FinSaint · 06-04-2020, 10:45 AM

Things are really crazy over there right now.

I'm clueless about it all living in a totally different culture and society, but it makes me sick how all these media personnel are twisting and dissecting Brees' words.

Shannon Sharpe said Brees should retire. If the NFL community would force his hand to retire for what he said - I think I'd be done with the NFL.

rezburna · 06-04-2020, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Things are really crazy over there right now.

I'm clueless about it all living in a totally different culture and society, but it makes me sick how all these media personnel are twisting and dissecting Brees' words.

Shannon Sharpe said Brees should retire. If the NFL community would force his hand to retire for what he said - I think I'd be done with the NFL.

That's not going to happen. Like I said, the redemption story is written on the wall. All he has to do is win.

lynwood · 06-04-2020, 11:05 AM

Brees is done. They have made sure his ability to lead is now questionable. He will probably lose that contract with NBC or whoever it was too. The networks will bring it up every game because they have to create the narrative. I have to believe that some of these guys just want to make an example out of Brees to further their agenda. They will sacrifice a decent human being to show that their needs to be more decency. This is also what causes the disconnect and prevents people from sitting down at the table. He apologizes and he has his record before all of this of what he's done for the community but it will not be enough. If this can happen to him, what chance do you think the rest of white america has? We must all humble ourselves and kneel, then still get kicked in the teeth. That's the message.....

06-04-2020, 09:06 AM	#81
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,035 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Demario Davis was on CNN earlier this morning ... Solid, genuine responses. Easy to see why he has a C on his jersey. He's a leader on and OFF the field. jeanpierre and OldMaid like this.

06-04-2020, 09:29 AM	#82
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,818 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments The media, the talking heads, these times, nothing is good enough. https://www.instagram.com/p/CBA1P3gH...ource=ig_embed Sports news and national news are picking him apart again. Then he is going to get picked apart again during the season. I hope when FOOTBALL commentators ask him about this again, he just says no comment. It is like a dog with steak,

06-04-2020, 09:38 AM	#83
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,947 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://twitter.com/YahooFinance/sta...06174073126915 https://twitter.com/drewbrees/status...18410905890818 Made the mistake of scrolling through the comments on his post.... I've lost even more faith in humanity today. So many ignorant people, so determined to be outraged and offended. I feel bad for Drew that he has to put up with this, and from his own teammates on top of it. Sad that a man who has done so much for New Orleans and the state of Louisiana and football in general is being raked over the coals by a bunch of people not smart or qualified enough to carry his jock strap. I'm 99% sure this will be his last year. Probably was going to be anyway, but after this bull** I can't see any possible reason he would want to stay. It'll be a rollercoaster season, maybe we still sneak into the playoffs, but the effects of this mess will rear their ugly head once again and we'll get bounced out early. At this point I'm torn between hoping the team can continue to be successful after Drew, and wanting to see the whole thing burn to the ground so that all these fools realize how good they had it with Drew. These dudes deserve to have to sit through some **ty awful seasons and be brought back down to earth. I don't know... the whole situation sucks and they'll probably try to portray sunshine and rainbows by the time the season rolls around, but this is gonna leave a lasting mark and it sure as hell won't make things better. jnormand, Budsdrinker and OldMaid like this.
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06-04-2020, 10:03 AM	#84
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,652	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by jeanpierre This is the kind of frame of mind that Demario Davis has been lauded and that all people have gotten behind and supported and has seen steps taken. President Trump gets little credit (though he's not afraid to let people know) and that's that he gave people a seat at the table to publicly make their argument about former incarcerated reform and there's been steps taken at the federal and state level to the former incarcerated can have more legit steps to rebuild their lives... My issue from where I'm standing, is when police brutality is made into only a white cop on black perp crime - #FakeNews Manipulative #MSM knows this and that's what gets the air time and they hammer at it 24/7... Do you know the same police force in MN killed a white perp who was attempting to surrender by a black police officer? There was no looting and rioting. Right here in Louisiana just a few years ago two black police officers shot and killed a white father with his son next to him in the truck on their property. Again little to none #MSM coverage, but no looting and rioting... And I've no doubt ANTIFA garbage has jumped in now as the leftists radicals had tried to do in the 1960's and stir racial disharmony among people who genuinely got along before being manipulated by #MSM and #Antifa... But watching the video online shared by independent reporting, it's not just white kids raiding Cheesecake Factory stores, but folks of colour rioting and looting small businesses, and often those small biz owners are black! That's when as Demario Davis rightly points out, that the whole thing loses focus - and it loses credibility... Attacking Drew was just the last straw for me because he didn't repeat, verbatim the exact fcking message... People need to get their selfish head out of their arses and understand if we're all Americans, all in this together, then stop with the Identity politics of identifying as only one segment... Then need to embrace and truly understand when people see #AllLivesMatter, it means that we're all in this fight together, we all hurt when an individual or just a couple of *****s violate an American's Rights and Due Process... And that when a shady guy with a criminal history, or a 70+yo old police officer (also of colour), or some white punk who's stupidly trying to get some street cred are killed while in police custody - it's a problem for us all... But the reaction we've seen and the virtue signaling by out-of-touch sports and entertainment personalities, to somehow call out someone like Drew, who did more for Black New Orleanians than even Obama, is bullsht... And what it's worth, I'm not a black man and I can't fully appreciate the BS mindset you've got to go through in some situtations; I truly respect and appreciate that's no easy task... But to say that poor white folks (jokingly and accepted in entertainment and news circles as white trash) get as rough a treatment; the words and faces may be different, but it's still a humiliating experience... In my business, I still drive my Dad's old beat-up truck while wearing overalls after working on a farm or in a swamp; and yes, when I've been pulled over, a few of times without cause, I see a difference vs my then newer vehicle... When I walk into the bank dirty, full of oil and dirt, I feel the shadow creeping up on me vs when I come in dressed dapper. And it's then I realize, like all folks, that the real colour that matters is Green... Now I've many folks of colour I have as friends and clients - And we've very frank, honest talks and I believe them when they tell me how disgusted they are with all this virtue signaling and political correctness to social problems... And I believe them and what I believe is their true #wokeness, when they acknowledge that the real colour that matters in this country is Green... I believe them when they tell me they too, like Drew Brees, value their families' sacrifices, especially in the military, and don't believe in taking a knee... And I believe them that it's better to sit down together, break bread together as neighbors, and have a calm talk about it without sh*tstarters yellin' from a podium or twitter account... And for what it's worth, when I invite a handful of my friends and neighbors to come and sit down and burn some ribs and chicken at my small shot/warehouse and just talk, (as my late Dad taught me to do), the level and patience and respect for one another is tremendous... And I agree with the earlier post, DeMario Davis is a legit man of his Belief in the Almighty, and we've got to stay on message and not tolerate virtue signalling, and especially not rioting and looting... You won't hear me try and justify Black police officers killing unarmed White civilians. Just the other day we applauded several Black police officers being reprimanded in Atlanta for attacking two innocent, Black college students. Like someone stated earlier, many of us view Black police officers just the same as White police officers because they're often partaking or implicit in the injustice of the force as a whole. The thing is, the Black community is protesting what effects them as most communities do. If White people take issue with White civilians being murdered by police (Black, White, Asian, or Hispanic) then they too have every right to protest. Our community won't complain, and many would likely join in. It's not our responsibility to draw attention to things happening outside of our community while everybody sits back and chastises us for everything wrong with ours without lifting a finger to help. As far as media coverage, that has nothing to do with us. We don't control that industry. We don't control the major media outlets. We aren't in control of the narrative. We aren't in control of much of anything which is a large reason why we remain in such poor condition as a whole. We control maybe 2% of the wealth and less than 1% of the land. This is a capitalistic society. We don't have enough of the "GREEN" to dictate our own terms. In regards to Trump, I'm not a supporter or a detractor of his. I'm indifferent. Whether it be him, Obama, Bush, or Clinton; it's all the same to me. Our overall condition has been the same regardless. Left or Right. Blue or Red. White or Mulatto. I'm not a reformist in ideology. I'm a revolutionary. I cherish the minds of men like Kwame Ture (Stokely Carmichael). So in saying that, I'm not looking for the support of Drew Brees or the White community like many of counterparts. I believe we can achieve greatness on our own without the help of America. However, it does get annoying hearing the birds chirp. Finally, the military. I don't know anybody who doesn't have family that's military personnel. My dad is NAVY. My grandpa was ARMY. My great-grandpa fought in WWII and had to come home to Jim Crow in New Orleans. I undoubtedly had ancestors who fought in both the Civil War and Revolutionary War. I mean, my ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War and were still slaves for another 100 years afterwards. We've been involved in every war this country has ever had. Thus, any way we choose to demonstrate is righteous. People must understand that those stars and bars don't mean the same thing to everybody. While you feel the flag is being disrespected, many feel that those representing that flag have disrespected us for 400 years. When my father passes hopefully long in the distant future they'll fold that flag up and present it to our family. We all have a connection to it. It's just that these connections aren't all the same. cmike, blackangold and K Major like this.
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06-04-2020, 10:06 AM	#85
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by rezburna Poverty and violent criminality go hand in hand. There’s study after study detailing that. Most importantly, that should have no bearing on police brutality. Maybe if Black people were killing police at an alarming rate I could see the connection. And snitches get stitches is universal law in all street environments. Does the Yakuza allow snitches? Italians? Mexicans? Nobody does. Your ideas for legislation are great though for those who see legislation as the end goal. What do you think some solutions are (end goal)? OldMaid and rezburna like this.

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06-04-2020, 10:17 AM	#86
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,652	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by blackangold What do you think some solutions are (end goal)? I have to preface the statement by reiterating that I'm not a reformist in ideology. However, most of my community are proponents of reform. When Malcolm X said "By Any Means Necessary" what that really meant was use whatever works. If non-violent protest works, do it. If voting works, do it. If looting and rioting works, do it. If all out warfare works, do it. So I must meet my people where they are. Therefore, we need legislation that helps put more control of the land, resources, and the means of production in our hands. There was a Homestead Act in 1862 that gave Americans up to 160 acres of federal land in the West. You had the Boomer-Sooner rush of Oklahoma. We need something like that to shrink this large wealth gap. Again, this is a capitalistic society. How can we fix our faces to say things are equal when one race controls well over 70% (likely and understatement) of the wealth? So if reform is the route, we need any and all legislation that will spread the balance of power more evenly; even if that only means that the amount of wealth, land, and resources is equivalent to our overall population. That would be a VAST improvement. STEM is the way of the future. Within our own communities we could emphasize focusing on that. You can take those skills anywhere. It doesn't even have to be here in America. I'm pro-gun. So I'm sure we all have a lot in common there. We need emphasis on self-empowerment and an establishment of the cultural identity we had to give up because of the power structure. It's a lot we can do on our own, and legislation is only as good as the people enforcing it, but a genuine effort goes a long way. cmike likes this.
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06-04-2020, 10:23 AM	#87
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,652	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by blackangold What do you think some solutions are (end goal)? Also, I appreciate the question. OldMaid, cmike, blackangold and 1 others like this.

06-04-2020, 10:45 AM	#88
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Things are really crazy over there right now. I'm clueless about it all living in a totally different culture and society, but it makes me sick how all these media personnel are twisting and dissecting Brees' words. Shannon Sharpe said Brees should retire. If the NFL community would force his hand to retire for what he said - I think I'd be done with the NFL. Danno and frydaddy like this.

06-04-2020, 11:04 AM	#89
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,652	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by FinSaint Things are really crazy over there right now. I'm clueless about it all living in a totally different culture and society, but it makes me sick how all these media personnel are twisting and dissecting Brees' words. Shannon Sharpe said Brees should retire. If the NFL community would force his hand to retire for what he said - I think I'd be done with the NFL. That's not going to happen. Like I said, the redemption story is written on the wall. All he has to do is win.

06-04-2020, 11:05 AM	#90
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Brees is done. They have made sure his ability to lead is now questionable. He will probably lose that contract with NBC or whoever it was too. The networks will bring it up every game because they have to create the narrative. I have to believe that some of these guys just want to make an example out of Brees to further their agenda. They will sacrifice a decent human being to show that their needs to be more decency. This is also what causes the disconnect and prevents people from sitting down at the table. He apologizes and he has his record before all of this of what he's done for the community but it will not be enough. If this can happen to him, what chance do you think the rest of white america has? We must all humble ourselves and kneel, then still get kicked in the teeth. That's the message..... jnormand, OldMaid and frydaddy like this.