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Jimmy Graham Contract

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by The Dude He is injured. He was playing balls out before the injury. That type of injury not only makes it painful to run and jump but makes it damn near impossible to plant your feet and ...

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Old 01-16-2014, 08:03 AM   #61
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He is injured. He was playing balls out before the injury. That type of injury not only makes it painful to run and jump but makes it damn near impossible to plant your feet and get any kind of push whatsoever. That is why he was getting shut out. He has only played the game of football for 4 years and is still learning and has a huge ceiling.
I agree he has a lot to learn as a tight end. Our running game got going when Hill and Watson were in as tight ends.
In total agreement, this trade jimmy **** is absurd..... The patriots can't even keep gronk, on the field.... But they won't even hear offers. Why because they know he's a game changer..... The reason you have blocking TEs is to block....JIMMY GRAHAM WILL NEVER BE AN EXCELLENT BLOCKER....NEITHER WAS TONY GONZALEZ .... just ask junior galette if you don't believe me.... BTW TONY G IS NOT GOING INTO THE HALL AS THE BEST BLOCKING TE IN HISTORY........ He's been here four years, put up numbers we have never had at the position, two of those four season he was injured.... We've been reaping the benefits...."Pay the man" 7 years 60 million actually would help our cap right now not the other way around....
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Old 01-16-2014, 08:45 AM   #62
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Think brother..... It hurts Jimmy to do all you listed but not dunk over the cross bar?

Sorry, not buying it. If he were playing with a hurt foot there would be no dunking.
I do agree with this, planting and pushing off with a foot that is supposedly that bad wouldn't happen. I look at Graham a lot different these days. Only good thing that come from this was our run game started. I watched Shockey score when he should have not even been playing in a game, he hobbled his broke butt to the endzone got seperation and caught the ball. Graham may have the#'s but he couldn't carry Shockeys jock strap.He is a product of the system and if we run the ball we can do better than Graham. We need another Shockey type of TE period.
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In total agreement, this trade jimmy **** is absurd..... The patriots can't even keep gronk, on the field.... But they won't even hear offers. Why because they know he's a game changer..... The reason you have blocking TEs is to block....JIMMY GRAHAM WILL NEVER BE AN EXCELLENT BLOCKER....NEITHER WAS TONY GONZALEZ .... just ask junior galette if you don't believe me.... BTW TONY G IS NOT GOING INTO THE HALL AS THE BEST BLOCKING TE IN HISTORY........ He's been here four years, put up numbers we have never had at the position, two of those four season he was injured.... We've been reaping the benefits...."Pay the man" 7 years 60 million actually would help our cap right now not the other way around....
I agree. He had 1,200 plus yards and led the league in TDs among all receivers. If the only problem is that he can't block, then call him a wide receiver. He can block better than most wide outs.
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He will probably get the same contract as Gronk.
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I do agree with this, planting and pushing off with a foot that is supposedly that bad wouldn't happen. I look at Graham a lot different these days. Only good thing that come from this was our run game started. I watched Shockey score when he should have not even been playing in a game, he hobbled his broke butt to the endzone got seperation and caught the ball. Graham may have the#'s but he couldn't carry Shockeys jock strap.He is a product of the system and if we run the ball we can do better than Graham. We need another Shockey type of TE period.
Lol at your shockey take, seriously..... Did you see the pic of decrepit old shockey next to jimmy graham....the last two seasons of shockey in New Orleans was a joke, and I bet if you ask a Carolina fan the season he played for them where he only got up and played cause he was playing against us was a joke. The reason Graham's here is because shockey best days were behind him..... And let's be honest the only reason you or any other saints fan is looking at him differently is because now your gonna have to pay for the numbers he puts up in a season.....

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Old 01-16-2014, 09:25 AM   #66
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Jimmy's not going anywhere and hopefully he doesn't rape our cap but definitely the #1 te in the league blocking or not. Plus imagine our new found run game and better wrs with jimmy. Pick ur poison we are better with him not without.
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:30 AM   #67
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Like I said, same contract as Gronk. He hasn't beaten any of Gronk's stats so he doesn't deserve more but I can see the same 6 years $54 million
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Lol at your shockey take, seriously..... Did you see the pic of decrepit old shockey next to jimmy graham....the last two seasons of shockey in New Orleans was a joke, and I bet if you ask a Carolina fan the season he played for them where he only got up and played cause he was playing against us was a joke. The reason Graham's here is because shockey best days were behind him..... And let's be honest the only reason you or any other saints fan is looking at him differently is because now your gonna have to pay for the numbers he puts up in a season.....
No!! I only look at the field play. I honestly don't think any player is worth as much as they get paid, never have. With that out of the way if I was basing it on production I would look at the overall body of work, blocking, yrd's after catch, TD's all of the stat things, but stats don't tell everything and when he has been punked out for several games you have to look at those stats also if your a stat person and ask yourself if he is really all that good or a product of the system. I say product of the system and not playing well down the stretch in the playoffs where you usually see better D's thats not good it only makes his case worse, not better. As for Shockey in his prime vs. Graham in his, and he is, I'll take Shockey each and every day, that man lived to play football.
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No!! I only look at the field play. I honestly don't think any player is worth as much as they get paid, never have. With that out of the way if I was basing it on production I would look at the overall body of work, blocking, yrd's after catch, TD's all of the stat things, but stats don't tell everything and when he has been punked out for several games you have to look at those stats also if your a stat person and ask yourself if he is really all that good or a product of the system. I say product of the system and not playing well down the stretch in the playoffs where you usually see better D's thats not good it only makes his case worse, not better. As for Shockey in his prime vs. Graham in his, and he is, I'll take Shockey each and every day, that man lived to play football.
What is amazing about this is you didn't get shockey in his prime, you got a watered down version.... And although in New York he was a better blocker than Gonzalez.... He will never be considered in the same breath as Gonzalez..... If you stick with him or even if you decide to let him go jimmy graham will eventually be mentioned in the same breath as Gonzalez... That's why for me jimmy graham vs shockey prime or not isn't fair to shockey.... Jimmy graham was more productive, with a bum wrist than a career shockey season...... And that's blocking included.....

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No!! I only look at the field play. I honestly don't think any player is worth as much as they get paid, never have. With that out of the way if I was basing it on production I would look at the overall body of work, blocking, yrd's after catch, TD's all of the stat things, but stats don't tell everything and when he has been punked out for several games you have to look at those stats also if your a stat person and ask yourself if he is really all that good or a product of the system. I say product of the system and not playing well down the stretch in the playoffs where you usually see better D's thats not good it only makes his case worse, not better. As for Shockey in his prime vs. Graham in his, and he is, I'll take Shockey each and every day, that man lived to play football.

He had 6 touchdowns in the last 6 games of the season. I think thats pretty good down the stretch. And averaged 60 yards per game, not bad for a guy with planter fasciitis.

As far as being "punked out", he only had one game without a catch. In that game, the opposition put their best corner on him every play and gave safety help on most. I don't think the problem for the Saints in that game was Jimmy Graham. The problem was no one else stepped up to make them pay for it.
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