2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

lee909 · 04-03-2021, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Are you doing the trade before Pick 28 or there?

Or you making that trade based on a player(s) that you prefer are falling to 28?

On the second one, just didn't see anyone I thought you have to draft him. So traded back. The top CBs had gone, no edge rusher. Collins had gone too. I think there was a couple of tackles there. The only real steal by the adp was Elijah Moore and I'm not picking a 5'8 WR in the first.

Just some fun so took the trades. It would be a dream scenario though adding that much depth for the next couple of years even if Loomis has to find the money to sign them

jeanpierre · 04-03-2021, 01:34 PM

lee909 · 04-03-2021, 02:09 PM

Think trading Horn might be a bit rich for the Saints on draft day now.

ChrisXVI · 04-03-2021, 04:15 PM

Forgive me for thinking out loud here, I just need to get this out there. Zaven Collins is a perfect fit for a Patriots-style defense. He’s Dont’a Hightower, Kyle Van Noy, Jamie Collins, etc. The Saints have this really weird desire to get these hybrid LB’s without actually having the ability to implement a multiple scheme. Zack Baun is such a talented player, but we couldn’t find a way to get him on the field. I fear it would be the same with Zaven Collins. Somebody in the organization wants us to run a multiple defense and we just aren’t capable of doing it. End rant.

SmashMouth · 04-03-2021, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Forgive me for thinking out loud here, I just need to get this out there. Zaven Collins is a perfect fit for a Patriots-style defense. He’s Dont’a Hightower, Kyle Van Noy, Jamie Collins, etc. The Saints have this really weird desire to get these hybrid LB’s without actually having the ability to implement a multiple scheme. Zack Baun is such a talented player, but we couldn’t find a way to get him on the field. I fear it would be the same with Zaven Collins. Somebody in the organization wants us to run a multiple defense and we just aren’t capable of doing it. End rant.

Won't Zack Baum find a way this year with the depletion of talent around him?

ChrisXVI · 04-03-2021, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Won't Zack Baum find a way this year with the depletion of talent around him?

Well that’s the million dollar question. I really wish I could know the vision for Baun this year. After we drafted him Payton said they envisioned him playing the Mike. I’d sleep a lot easier if I knew he was stepping into that role and we had one less hole to fill in the draft.

dizzle88 · 04-03-2021, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Well that’s the million dollar question. I really wish I could know the vision for Baun this year. After we drafted him Payton said they envisioned him playing the Mike. I’d sleep a lot easier if I knew he was stepping into that role and we had one less hole to fill in the draft.

To me, this just reeks of Martez Wilson again. You have a pass rushing outside backer in Baun that succeeded in college doing just that. I believe he was given under 5 snaps all season and didn't rush the passer once. With them envisioning him at the Mike position.

He'll be another square peg round hole guy that FO can't make work.

ChrisXVI · 04-04-2021, 12:03 PM

Rumors are circulating now that the Saints are very intrigued by QB Kyle Trask. No way in hell that would be in the first round, but it’s possible they’re eyeing him in the 2nd.

K Major · 04-04-2021, 12:26 PM

Trask's inability to move & scramble is a concern for most coaches/GMs. I do like his pocket presence & ability to read defenses. Put up big numbers at Florida against stellar SEC defenses. With all the "hype" surrounding Wilson, Mac Jones, Fields ... maybe Trask slides in the draft.

I wouldn't pick him at 28, but Day 2 or 3? ... maybe so.

lee909 · 04-04-2021, 05:19 PM

If he's there in the 2nd I'd say go for it. Or if they traded back and got a extra picks then yeah take the chance if you think he's good enough. I think he will be gone before the Saints pick in R2. Soneone will go for him after the others go early.

04-03-2021, 10:40 AM	#381
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Are you doing the trade before Pick 28 or there? Or you making that trade based on a player(s) that you prefer are falling to 28? On the second one, just didn't see anyone I thought you have to draft him. So traded back. The top CBs had gone, no edge rusher. Collins had gone too. I think there was a couple of tackles there. The only real steal by the adp was Elijah Moore and I'm not picking a 5'8 WR in the first. Just some fun so took the trades. It would be a dream scenario though adding that much depth for the next couple of years even if Loomis has to find the money to sign them jeanpierre likes this.

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04-03-2021, 02:09 PM	#383
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Think trading Horn might be a bit rich for the Saints on draft day now.

04-03-2021, 04:15 PM	#384
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Forgive me for thinking out loud here, I just need to get this out there. Zaven Collins is a perfect fit for a Patriots-style defense. He’s Dont’a Hightower, Kyle Van Noy, Jamie Collins, etc. The Saints have this really weird desire to get these hybrid LB’s without actually having the ability to implement a multiple scheme. Zack Baun is such a talented player, but we couldn’t find a way to get him on the field. I fear it would be the same with Zaven Collins. Somebody in the organization wants us to run a multiple defense and we just aren’t capable of doing it. End rant.
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04-03-2021, 07:46 PM	#385
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Forgive me for thinking out loud here, I just need to get this out there. Zaven Collins is a perfect fit for a Patriots-style defense. He’s Dont’a Hightower, Kyle Van Noy, Jamie Collins, etc. The Saints have this really weird desire to get these hybrid LB’s without actually having the ability to implement a multiple scheme. Zack Baun is such a talented player, but we couldn’t find a way to get him on the field. I fear it would be the same with Zaven Collins. Somebody in the organization wants us to run a multiple defense and we just aren’t capable of doing it. End rant. Won't Zack Baum find a way this year with the depletion of talent around him?

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04-03-2021, 08:43 PM	#386
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by SmashMouth Won't Zack Baum find a way this year with the depletion of talent around him? Well that’s the million dollar question. I really wish I could know the vision for Baun this year. After we drafted him Payton said they envisioned him playing the Mike. I’d sleep a lot easier if I knew he was stepping into that role and we had one less hole to fill in the draft.

04-03-2021, 09:41 PM	#387
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Well that’s the million dollar question. I really wish I could know the vision for Baun this year. After we drafted him Payton said they envisioned him playing the Mike. I’d sleep a lot easier if I knew he was stepping into that role and we had one less hole to fill in the draft. To me, this just reeks of Martez Wilson again. You have a pass rushing outside backer in Baun that succeeded in college doing just that. I believe he was given under 5 snaps all season and didn't rush the passer once. With them envisioning him at the Mike position. He'll be another square peg round hole guy that FO can't make work. ChrisXVI likes this.

04-04-2021, 12:03 PM	#388
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Rumors are circulating now that the Saints are very intrigued by QB Kyle Trask. No way in hell that would be in the first round, but it’s possible they’re eyeing him in the 2nd.

04-04-2021, 12:26 PM	#389
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Trask's inability to move & scramble is a concern for most coaches/GMs. I do like his pocket presence & ability to read defenses. Put up big numbers at Florida against stellar SEC defenses. With all the "hype" surrounding Wilson, Mac Jones, Fields ... maybe Trask slides in the draft. I wouldn't pick him at 28, but Day 2 or 3? ... maybe so. ChrisXVI likes this.

04-04-2021, 05:19 PM	#390
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints If he's there in the 2nd I'd say go for it. Or if they traded back and got a extra picks then yeah take the chance if you think he's good enough. I think he will be gone before the Saints pick in R2. Soneone will go for him after the others go early.