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WW_Who_Dat 02-09-2023 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 969464)
Yeah... probably. Yet , all the points made are valid, especially the ones regarding whether it's even worth doing in light of our numerous needs. If we're going to suck no matter what, why even do the deal? We can suck just as much and maybe still eek out enough of a record to win the NFC South, but with a QB on a rookie contract. And if it does not work out, we're sitting pretty in year 2024, the vaunted year for QBs coming out of college.
Will respect to all views and opinion on the Team Saints Suckage in 2023, We need a QB nothing changes with a drafted QB this year or next year, but the position players need change all be address in this years draft and next years draft.

DC is not a top 10 QB but he is the best available, forget Rodgers anit happening wouldn’t want him if he was … opinion.

But if we don’t have a true starting QB next season suckage will continue regardless of getting cap happy in 2023. Problem is not overall lack of talent our defense proved again it can keep us in every game if our offense could score 28 points. We lost 5 games to teams scoring 20 points are less only lost 3 games when opponents 30 or more.

Just need a QB who can get the ball down the field to our 2 wideouts that make the secondary respect and have to defend that capability. With play action it will open the underneath and middle of the field.

Get DC signed and figure the rest out …. WhoDat for life.

dizzle88 02-09-2023 12:17 PM
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Kamara needs help too.

The offense suffered a lot because they could key on Kamara so much. PC (God help us) needs to be more creative with Kamara but he also needs to be paired with a bruiser counterpart.

I'd love a return to the 3 headed monster at RB we used to have.

Rugby Saint II 02-09-2023 12:45 PM
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I'm warming up to the idea of Derek Carr. I still want a Young quarterback but I'm not sure that we have the coaching staff to develop one.

AsylumGuido 02-09-2023 02:10 PM
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Things are sounding serious with Carr. According to Underhill he's back at the Saints facilities again today!

K Major 02-09-2023 03:15 PM
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Demario ...

AsylumGuido 02-09-2023 03:58 PM
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AsylumGuido 02-09-2023 04:11 PM
Adding Derek Carr could help the Saints keep Michael Thomas
 
Adding Derek Carr could help the Saints keep Michael Thomas


John Sigler
February 7, 2023 11:00 pm CT

The last time the New Orleans Saints restructured their contract with Michael Thomas, it seemed to tee up an early release that would send Thomas off to continue his career elsewhere. But the news surrounding Derek Carr might introduce a change of plans. The Saints can always circle back to their contract with Thomas, renegotiate things, and run it back with him in 2023. Of course the first step is acquiring the former Las Vegas Raiders quarterback, possibly by a trade.

Adding an established passer — like Carr — could have real appeal to Thomas as he works to get his body right and reestablish himself as one of the league’s best wide receivers. Davante Adams just led the league in touchdown catches (14) while totaling 100 receptions for 1,516 yards with Carr as his quarterback. Thomas could very well be looking at him as someone who can revive his career.

That’s the main selling-point New Orleans can offer Thomas, but there are other factors at work. He wouldn’t have to relocate and pick up a new offense in another NFL city. He likes his coaches and the new Saints training staff the team brought in last summer. There aren’t many players who have spent their entire career with just one team, and that might matter to him, too.

But it comes down to money. Thomas can’t play on his contract as it is currently written. If nothing changes and he suits up for the Saints in the fall, he’ll trigger a whopping $60 million cap hit in 2024 by dressing out for at least four games. The Saints will need to meet with him and his agent and hash out a new arrangement. A pay cut would have to be discussed, and the likeliest scenario is that his current contract gets ripped up, processed, and redone altogether. A one-year deal featuring heavy incentives could make sense and set up Thomas to cash in next offseason if all goes according to plan.

It would be an unexpected twist to his story with the Saints, but stranger things have happened. Thomas commented in a since-deleted tweet on Tuesday evening that he’s keeping receipts on everyone speculating about his future in the NFL, advising them to “stay tuned” about his next move:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoauN4Xa...jpg&name=small

Maybe this means something, maybe it doesn’t. We’re entering the busiest months of the Saints offseason and cryptic tweets like this one are all the rage. We’re all just along for the ride. The only thing certain is that the road ahead of us it uncertain. It feels unlikely that Thomas plays for New Orleans in 2023, but we can’t rule it out, especially if the Saints get their quarterback.

Rell&Gold 02-09-2023 04:40 PM
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They MT jokes here?.......

AsylumGuido 02-09-2023 04:52 PM
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WW_Who_Dat 02-09-2023 04:56 PM
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Championship …. 😀 … BakoSaint would have his keyboard smoooking 🤯

AsylumGuido 02-09-2023 05:18 PM
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A second day of meetings with Carr sounds awful serious. This is not what one would expect when simply looking for a brief bridge to another QB. This has all of the trappings of a courtship for a long term relationship by the Saints' front office.

AsylumGuido 02-09-2023 05:20 PM
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Talk about two birds with one stone.

neugey 02-09-2023 05:42 PM
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If we could transplant Thomas' feet and ankles this move would be fire.

AsylumGuido 02-09-2023 05:49 PM
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There we go! The decision maker was in attendance.

AsylumGuido 02-09-2023 05:51 PM
Re: Adding Derek Carr could help the Saints keep Michael Thomas
 
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 969493)
If we could transplant Thomas' feet and ankles this move would be fire.
Two totally unrelated one off injuries doesn't bother me. Restructure to a heavily incentive weighted contract and let's go kick some ass.

CheramieIII 02-09-2023 06:10 PM
Re: Adding Derek Carr could help the Saints keep Michael Thomas
 
It’s not that I don’t like MT, we can’t retain the liability. We have a decent receiving corps already! I say trade for another DB, DE or draft pick before we let him go! I don’t mind Carr at all, but we still need to take the best QB we can get this year!

CheramieIII 02-09-2023 06:12 PM
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I would be comfortable with Carr, but what concerns me is Allen bringing in some of his old friends? He didn’t win with the Raiders before?

AsylumGuido 02-09-2023 06:26 PM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 969499)
I would be comfortable with Carr, but what concerns me is Allen bringing in some of his old friends? He didn’t win with the Raiders before?
Anyone he's bringing in have spent the past eight years or more in other systems. Did Payton's coaches do any better last season?

halloween 65 02-09-2023 07:03 PM
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Wink, wink, Raiders cut Carr Tuesday, he signs with the Saints as soon as FA's can be signed.

saintsfan1976 02-09-2023 07:06 PM
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If you don't want Carr, what are your other choices? At least choices you can "Control" (and that's what the team is aiming to do here)

Look, I applaud DA for going after the guy he believes is the answer at QB. At least he isn't sitting on his hands waiting for Andy Reid to leapfrog 10 spots and steal him away...

Carr is a top 15 QB and not only better than our current QBs - he's better than another option the team can count on landing.

AsylumGuido 02-10-2023 11:07 AM
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AsylumGuido 02-10-2023 11:21 AM
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Pretty awesome interview with Derek Carr here at the Pro Bowl Games.

AsylumGuido 02-10-2023 11:26 AM
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Impressive stat here.


NFL 4th Quarter Comeback Leaders All-Time

RankPlayer4QCYearsTmLink
1Tom Brady462000-20222TMView Comebacks
2Peyton Manning+431998-20152TMView Comebacks
3Ben Roethlisberger412004-2021pitView Comebacks
4Matt Ryan382008-20222TMView Comebacks
5Drew Brees362001-20202TMView Comebacks
6Matthew Stafford342009-20222TMView Comebacks
6Johnny Unitas+341956-19732TMView Comebacks
8Dan Marino+331983-1999miaView Comebacks
9John Elway+311983-1998denView Comebacks
10Philip Rivers292004-20202TMView Comebacks
10Fran Tarkenton+291961-19782TMView Comebacks
10Vinny Testaverde291987-20077TMView Comebacks
13Derek Carr282014-2022raiView Comebacks
13Brett Favre+281991-20104TMView Comebacks
15Eli Manning272004-2019nygView Comebacks
15Russell Wilson272012-20222TMView Comebacks
17Joe Montana+261979-19942TMView Comebacks
18Andy Dalton252011-20224TMView Comebacks
18Warren Moon+251984-20004TMView Comebacks
18Ryan Tannehill252012-20222TMView Comebacks
21Drew Bledsoe241993-20063TMView Comeback

SmashMouth 02-10-2023 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 969505)
Wink, wink, Raiders cut Carr Tuesday, he signs with the Saints as soon as FA's can be signed.
Probably... thinking it'll be after SB too.

SmashMouth 02-10-2023 01:02 PM
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AsylumGuido 02-10-2023 03:45 PM
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fooc-rea...jpg&name=large

AsylumGuido 02-10-2023 06:20 PM
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In Brees I Trust

saintsfan1976 02-11-2023 07:01 AM
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By next week we could have our QB1. A clear upgrade.

Eager to see how the comp shakes out and where it leaves us positioned for Free Agency + Draft.

AsylumGuido 02-11-2023 10:03 AM
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SmashMouth 02-11-2023 11:01 AM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 969534)
Well he said it.... "when Jameis broke his back", even repeated it. Injury sucks. But when we all learned of this, I think we all knew deep down it was over for Jameis.

AsylumGuido 02-11-2023 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 969536)
Well he said it.... "when Jameis broke his back", even repeated it. Injury sucks. But when we all learned of this, I think we all knew deep down it was over for Jameis.
It wasn't a spinal injury, however. Just some of the transverse processes were fractured. While calling it a "broken back" it is not as serious as that sounds.

Transverse process is a small bony projection off the right and left side of each vertebrae. The two transverse processes of each vertebrae function as the site of attachment for muscles and ligaments of the spine as well as the point of articulation of the ribs (in the thoracic spine).

While very painful they are not "career ending". No more so that a broken finger. There is no danger to the spinal cord itself from these injuries at all from everything I have read.

leilung 02-11-2023 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 969539)
It wasn't a spinal injury, however. Just some of the transverse processes were fractured. While calling it a "broken back" it is not as serious as that sounds.

Transverse process is a small bony projection off the right and left side of each vertebrae. The two transverse processes of each vertebrae function as the site of attachment for muscles and ligaments of the spine as well as the point of articulation of the ribs (in the thoracic spine).

While very painful they are not "career ending". No more so that a broken finger. There is no danger to the spinal cord itself from these injuries at all from everything I have read.
Not ball breaking, just curious: Do you Google your medical commentary or do you have a medical background Guido? When you talk about injuries, you talk in nuanced details that a lay person wouldn't normally know.

Just asking.

AsylumGuido 02-11-2023 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 969542)
Not ball breaking, just curious: Do you Google your medical commentary or do you have a medical background Guido? When you talk about injuries, you talk in nuanced details that a lay person wouldn't normally know.

Just asking.
A little of both. I worked for 17 years with a health insurance company as a business and systems analyst and also with a medical records software department in software development. I have spent many an hour researching clinical data over the years. I've also been dealing with vertebrae issues (facet joint arthritis) personally for the past ten years. My wife is also a RNC and for the past fifteen years or so a medical malpractice claims adjustor. I hear all kinds of stuff from that arena.

I actually asked my spine and back specialist at one of my quarterly appointments specifically about Jameis' injury and he gave me a brief rundown and told me what to look for online.

AsylumGuido 02-11-2023 01:18 PM
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K Major 02-11-2023 01:38 PM
Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr
 
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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 969542)
Not ball breaking, just curious: Do you Google your medical commentary or do you have a medical background Guido? When you talk about injuries, you talk in nuanced details that a lay person wouldn't normally know.

Just asking.
Lol.

Some people like to mimic things others have said on Twitter or XM radio :rolleyes: and then post it here to sound as if they actually "know" what's best for the franchise and team.

Braggart, egotist type.

Saintfan nailed it.

Thirty3 02-11-2023 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 914196)
iirc, Winston’s wonderlic score was a 27, Mr Brees? 28. That presupposes you place any value in that testing..., but that testing is something all NFL players are subjected to, and it places both Winston and Mr. Brees on pretty much the same level intellectually.

I’ve never thought Eli Manning was the sharpest tack in the tool shed..., but there he is at 39! Bottom line, if you feel Winston is lacking in any intellectual manner, then Mr. Brees is right there with him.

https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/
A written test and decision making under pressure are not the same.

AsylumGuido 02-11-2023 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Thirty3 (Post 969551)
A written test and decision making under pressure are not the same.
The Wonderlic isn't a written test. It is a multiple choice test designed to measure quick decision making. It consists of 50 problems to be solved inside of 12 minutes. That's pressure, don't you think?

Here's a 25 question practice test you can check out.

:D

AsylumGuido 02-12-2023 10:09 AM
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This right here.

rezburna 02-12-2023 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 969539)
It wasn't a spinal injury, however. Just some of the transverse processes were fractured. While calling it a "broken back" it is not as serious as that sounds.

Transverse process is a small bony projection off the right and left side of each vertebrae. The two transverse processes of each vertebrae function as the site of attachment for muscles and ligaments of the spine as well as the point of articulation of the ribs (in the thoracic spine).

While very painful they are not "career ending". No more so that a broken finger. There is no danger to the spinal cord itself from these injuries at all from everything I have read.
Correct.

SmashMouth 02-12-2023 11:57 AM
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We should see something this week after he's released IMHO. If Saints sign him, we draft a QB next year, other than a late 6th or 7th rounder. The class next year is arguably better . Which one would you draft from this list below?
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/positions/QB/1/2024


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