Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB

Boston Saint · 06-08-2021, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Man some people here are gonna eat some crow after this season. Lol. One way or another, Team Hill or Team Winston.

We haven't had this kind of talk about our starting QB in a long time.

Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team.

The Dude · 06-08-2021, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team.

Most people I see in the Facebook groups are pretty anti-Hill. Just like anything else it depends on the company you keep. Like minded people gravitate towards each other for better or worse. Mostly worse. That’s why I like this board so much, a lot of independent thinkers around here whose opinions are rooted in knowledge.
I for one don’t care who wins the job as long as it puts us in the best position to win. I just think it’s going to be a lot harder for Hill because he’s such a big part of what we do on offense when he’s not under center. Unless Winston just stinks the place up I think he’s gonna be the guy.
When it’s all said and done the locker room will get behind the guy who puts them in the best position to win/make plays.

jnormand · 06-08-2021, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team.

Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. **** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a ****. Lol.

It's just a difference of opinion.

Here's why I like Hill.

I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun!

Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now.

I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man.

Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?!

If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so!

Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too.

At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine.

AsylumGuido · 06-09-2021, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. **** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a ****. Lol.

It's just a difference of opinion.

Here's why I like Hill.

I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun!

Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now.

I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man.

Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?!

If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so!

Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too.

At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine.

I like Hill for the very same reasons and that is why I DON"T want him playing QB. If the Saints have success this season I doubt it will be because of the QB. It will likely be in spite of the QB. I don't expect either to do anymore than be capable. But, Hill can be MUCH more than that in several other areas of the game.

Once again, I am a huge fan of Hill's and that is why I don't want him being wasted at QB.

Boston Saint · 06-09-2021, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. **** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a ****. Lol.

It's just a difference of opinion.

Here's why I like Hill.

I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun!

Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now.

I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man.

Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?!

If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so!

Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too.

At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine.

JN, this is a good post and I agree with most of it. My only point, and it’s one
that I don’t think some have accepted from me yet is that I don’t WANT Winston to win out over Hill. I don’t believe I have ever said that. I THINK he has shown so far to be the better QB and have more potential for growth than Hill. I THINK he can be a better QB for this team than Hill. I may be wrong of
course.

Winston historically has certainly had more negatives against him in his personality and actions than Hill. I can certainly understand why some want him to fail and are pulling for Hill over him. It’s not hard to understand why.

What I don’t understand is people writing him off and saying they “know who Winston is” and such type things. Acting like he has no chance. The numbers and video show differently. I posted a video of him with numerous plays that require immense skill and talent to perform. Skills that can only be done by someone who possess all the tools necessary to be a successful NFL QB, and the reaction from some is, “Sure, that’s a highlight reel”. Does that mean he didn’t pull off those plays? Does it mean he can’t make more of
those great plays and cut down on the bad ones under Payton’s coaching? I just don’t see why some aren’t willing to give him the same chance as Hill to win the job in Training camp. I’ve seen too many “We know what he is” type comments for me to wrap my head around. Especially for a QB that beat the Saints twice while he was with Tampa.

One last thing is about Winston’s actions and attitudes since he’s been a
Saint. I’ve heard nothing but positives about and from him since he’s been here. His talking about being a family man and getting married was an eye opener about his character for me. I know getting married and becoming a father straightened my ass out quite a bit. He never made a single complaint about Hill starting over him in Brees’s absence last year. He has maturely and gracefully accepted the backup role so he could get a “Harvard education” in QBing was the way he put it I believe. He also get LASIKS done to help his vision (another thing that made a big difference in my life). I just don’t understand the desire to write him off so readily when the option is the VERY unproven Hill.

TheOak · 06-09-2021, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team.

Which if you look at things behaviorally/psychologically you should expect from fans who know in the back of their mind that Winston is the better QB but are coming off 15 years of Drew Brees.

The anchor is gone and its left a hole in the minds of fans, a hole that wont be filled with one shovel of dirt or comment on forums.

Making this racial is the least intellectually taxing or stimulating argument anyone can make. When a race card is dropped the real discussion about two QBs becomes dead and gone.

Boston Saint · 06-09-2021, 09:18 AM

Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from.

rezburna · 06-09-2021, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from.

Matters of racial bias and prejudice will forever be difficult to substantiate. There’s always some level of plausible deniability. I do know Aaron Brooks gets a lot of undeserved, hate for a QB that led us to our first playoff win in franchise history. He had a better winning percentage, completion percentage, more TD’s, and far less interceptions than Archie Manning. Aaron Brooks is the best QB not named Drew Brees in franchise history. Why the hate? If it’s because of his race, we’d still never be able to prove the disdain for him is based on racial bias. It’s a rabbit hole not worth exploring.

I can’t pretend that those sentiments don’t cross my mind when I hear people attempt to make a case for Hill over Winston, but trust me when I say, it’s not worth the headache. I’m with you. Winston is the younger, QB. He’s the more talented QB. He’s the more proven QB. He’s the QB that was compared to Peyton Manning when it came to X’s and O’s. He had maturity issues, but Hill has injury issues. He’s a faster version of Tim Tebow. I like him a lot, but there’s no scenario I can envision where Taysom Hill beats out Winston in an open competition.

gosaints1 · 06-09-2021, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Matters of racial bias and prejudice will forever be difficult to substantiate... ...I can’t pretend that those sentiments don’t cross my mind when I hear people attempt to make a case for Hill over Winston, but trust me when I say, it’s not worth the headache. I’m with you. Winston is the younger, QB. He’s the more talented QB. He’s the more proven QB. He’s the QB that was compared to Peyton Manning when it came to X’s and O’s. He had maturity issues, but Hill has injury issues. He’s a faster version of Tim Tebow. I like him a lot, but there’s no scenario I can envision where Taysom Hill beats out Winston in an open competition.

Come on Rez, just because someone may have a different opinion than you or I shouldn’t automatically result in race being applied. I have been on record for saying that Winston is the better QB while Taysom is a gadget guy. But I definitely can see a scenario where Taysom could beat out Winston..., and it revolves around a QB who has 88 career int’s over 70 games as a starter. And has absolutely nothing to do with his race or even if I like/dislike the guy.

Turning the ball over as a QB will eliminate your team from postseason play almost always. Taysom has a tendency to turn the ball over also, but he just doesn’t have the stats over time that Jameis has. When I hear “We know what Jameis is”, it’s an argument I don’t agree with, but understand. I keep in mind that Tampa performance won’t necessarily result in NoLa performance though. But I’ve always been a believer in the best predictor for future behavior/performance is past behavior/performance.

Bottom line Jameis’ career stats are a double edged sword. They’re his strongest advocate..., and also his greatest detractor.

rezburna · 06-09-2021, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Come on Rez, just because someone may have a different opinion than you or I shouldn’t automatically result in race being applied. I have been on record for saying that Winston is the better QB while Taysom is a gadget guy. But I definitely can see a scenario where Taysom could beat out Winston..., and it revolves around a QB who has 88 career int’s over 70 games as a starter. And has absolutely nothing to do with his race or even if I like/dislike the guy.

Turning the ball over as a QB will eliminate your team from postseason play almost always. Taysom has a tendency to turn the ball over also, but he just doesn’t have the stats over time that Jameis has. When I hear “We know what Jameis is”, it’s an argument I don’t agree with, but understand. I keep in mind that Tampa performance won’t necessarily result in NoLa performance though. But I’ve always been a believer in the best predictor for future behavior/performance is past behavior/performance.

Bottom line Jameis’ career stats are a double edged sword. They’re his strongest advocate..., and also his greatest detractor.

I’m not necessarily taking that position. I was just offering up my analysis on the position in general.

06-08-2021, 07:54 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jnormand Man some people here are gonna eat some crow after this season. Lol. One way or another, Team Hill or Team Winston. We haven't had this kind of talk about our starting QB in a long time. Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team.

06-08-2021, 08:32 PM	#2
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team. Most people I see in the Facebook groups are pretty anti-Hill. Just like anything else it depends on the company you keep. Like minded people gravitate towards each other for better or worse. Mostly worse. That’s why I like this board so much, a lot of independent thinkers around here whose opinions are rooted in knowledge. I for one don’t care who wins the job as long as it puts us in the best position to win. I just think it’s going to be a lot harder for Hill because he’s such a big part of what we do on offense when he’s not under center. Unless Winston just stinks the place up I think he’s gonna be the guy. When it’s all said and done the locker room will get behind the guy who puts them in the best position to win/make plays. jnormand, AsylumGuido, gosaints1 and 2 others like this.
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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,737	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team. Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. ** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a **. Lol. It's just a difference of opinion. Here's why I like Hill. I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun! Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now. I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man. Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?! If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so! Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too. At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine.

06-09-2021, 08:33 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jnormand Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. ** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a **. Lol. It's just a difference of opinion. Here's why I like Hill. I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun! Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now. I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man. Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?! If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so! Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too. At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine. I like Hill for the very same reasons and that is why I DON"T want him playing QB. If the Saints have success this season I doubt it will be because of the QB. It will likely be in spite of the QB. I don't expect either to do anymore than be capable. But, Hill can be MUCH more than that in several other areas of the game. Once again, I am a huge fan of Hill's and that is why I don't want him being wasted at QB.

06-09-2021, 09:01 AM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by jnormand Bahahahaha! Cmon man! Who cares if people want Hill or Winston?! Root for your guy. Other people will root for theirs. ** man, there's even a couple guys that want it to be Book. Some of us don't give a **. Lol. It's just a difference of opinion. Here's why I like Hill. I love what he's done for the team and I enjoy watching him play. I love his enthusiasm and work ethic on the field. He gets fired up and trucks people. He can run and he can throw. Actually, he can and WILL do just about anything asked of him. It's fun! Although I'm from Red Stick, I've lived in Idaho most of my life. And he went to high school close to where I live now. I'm sure you have all your reasons for wanting Winston. Its not a big deal man. Your reasons for liking Winston aren't going to change my mind about him. I've never like his style of leading and I think he tends to have an unusual way of embarrassing himself. I used to love watching Cam sack him. It made me laugh! But big deal! Who cares?! If Winston starts and does something special, then you can say I told you so! Sheesh man, not everyone is going to buy that he has some sort of untapped potential that SP is gonna get out of him. But that's okay too. At the end of the day, your opinion is yours. And mine is mine. JN, this is a good post and I agree with most of it. My only point, and it’s one that I don’t think some have accepted from me yet is that I don’t WANT Winston to win out over Hill. I don’t believe I have ever said that. I THINK he has shown so far to be the better QB and have more potential for growth than Hill. I THINK he can be a better QB for this team than Hill. I may be wrong of course. Winston historically has certainly had more negatives against him in his personality and actions than Hill. I can certainly understand why some want him to fail and are pulling for Hill over him. It’s not hard to understand why. What I don’t understand is people writing him off and saying they “know who Winston is” and such type things. Acting like he has no chance. The numbers and video show differently. I posted a video of him with numerous plays that require immense skill and talent to perform. Skills that can only be done by someone who possess all the tools necessary to be a successful NFL QB, and the reaction from some is, “Sure, that’s a highlight reel”. Does that mean he didn’t pull off those plays? Does it mean he can’t make more of those great plays and cut down on the bad ones under Payton’s coaching? I just don’t see why some aren’t willing to give him the same chance as Hill to win the job in Training camp. I’ve seen too many “We know what he is” type comments for me to wrap my head around. Especially for a QB that beat the Saints twice while he was with Tampa. One last thing is about Winston’s actions and attitudes since he’s been a Saint. I’ve heard nothing but positives about and from him since he’s been here. His talking about being a family man and getting married was an eye opener about his character for me. I know getting married and becoming a father straightened my ass out quite a bit. He never made a single complaint about Hill starting over him in Brees’s absence last year. He has maturely and gracefully accepted the backup role so he could get a “Harvard education” in QBing was the way he put it I believe. He also get LASIKS done to help his vision (another thing that made a big difference in my life). I just don’t understand the desire to write him off so readily when the option is the VERY unproven Hill.
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06-09-2021, 09:01 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Man, so far the only team I’ve seen is the anti-Winston team. Which if you look at things behaviorally/psychologically you should expect from fans who know in the back of their mind that Winston is the better QB but are coming off 15 years of Drew Brees. The anchor is gone and its left a hole in the minds of fans, a hole that wont be filled with one shovel of dirt or comment on forums. Making this racial is the least intellectually taxing or stimulating argument anyone can make. When a race card is dropped the real discussion about two QBs becomes dead and gone. iceshack149 and jnormand like this.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint Possibly so about the race issue Oak. It’s not my normal go-to angle. However, players have been mentioning it for years, and the league has recognized its existence and has implemented a program to help black coaches in the league by rewarding those teams that help them get coaching jobs. It’s kinda hard to say it doesn’t exist AT ALL. When people say a 5,000 yard 33 TD passer who has lead a historically struggling team to a 9-7 record has no chance against a guy with 4 starts to his resume, you start scratching your head and trying to figure out where they are coming from. Matters of racial bias and prejudice will forever be difficult to substantiate. There’s always some level of plausible deniability. I do know Aaron Brooks gets a lot of undeserved, hate for a QB that led us to our first playoff win in franchise history. He had a better winning percentage, completion percentage, more TD’s, and far less interceptions than Archie Manning. Aaron Brooks is the best QB not named Drew Brees in franchise history. Why the hate? If it’s because of his race, we’d still never be able to prove the disdain for him is based on racial bias. It’s a rabbit hole not worth exploring. I can’t pretend that those sentiments don’t cross my mind when I hear people attempt to make a case for Hill over Winston, but trust me when I say, it’s not worth the headache. I’m with you. Winston is the younger, QB. He’s the more talented QB. He’s the more proven QB. He’s the QB that was compared to Peyton Manning when it came to X’s and O’s. He had maturity issues, but Hill has injury issues. He’s a faster version of Tim Tebow. I like him a lot, but there’s no scenario I can envision where Taysom Hill beats out Winston in an open competition. iceshack149, AsylumGuido, K Major and 1 others like this.
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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by rezburna Matters of racial bias and prejudice will forever be difficult to substantiate... ...I can’t pretend that those sentiments don’t cross my mind when I hear people attempt to make a case for Hill over Winston, but trust me when I say, it’s not worth the headache. I’m with you. Winston is the younger, QB. He’s the more talented QB. He’s the more proven QB. He’s the QB that was compared to Peyton Manning when it came to X’s and O’s. He had maturity issues, but Hill has injury issues. He’s a faster version of Tim Tebow. I like him a lot, but there’s no scenario I can envision where Taysom Hill beats out Winston in an open competition. Come on Rez, just because someone may have a different opinion than you or I shouldn’t automatically result in race being applied. I have been on record for saying that Winston is the better QB while Taysom is a gadget guy. But I definitely can see a scenario where Taysom could beat out Winston..., and it revolves around a QB who has 88 career int’s over 70 games as a starter. And has absolutely nothing to do with his race or even if I like/dislike the guy. Turning the ball over as a QB will eliminate your team from postseason play almost always. Taysom has a tendency to turn the ball over also, but he just doesn’t have the stats over time that Jameis has. When I hear “We know what Jameis is”, it’s an argument I don’t agree with, but understand. I keep in mind that Tampa performance won’t necessarily result in NoLa performance though. But I’ve always been a believer in the best predictor for future behavior/performance is past behavior/performance. Bottom line Jameis’ career stats are a double edged sword. They’re his strongest advocate..., and also his greatest detractor.
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06-09-2021, 11:49 AM	#10
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB Originally Posted by gosaints1 Come on Rez, just because someone may have a different opinion than you or I shouldn’t automatically result in race being applied. I have been on record for saying that Winston is the better QB while Taysom is a gadget guy. But I definitely can see a scenario where Taysom could beat out Winston..., and it revolves around a QB who has 88 career int’s over 70 games as a starter. And has absolutely nothing to do with his race or even if I like/dislike the guy. Turning the ball over as a QB will eliminate your team from postseason play almost always. Taysom has a tendency to turn the ball over also, but he just doesn’t have the stats over time that Jameis has. When I hear “We know what Jameis is”, it’s an argument I don’t agree with, but understand. I keep in mind that Tampa performance won’t necessarily result in NoLa performance though. But I’ve always been a believer in the best predictor for future behavior/performance is past behavior/performance. Bottom line Jameis’ career stats are a double edged sword. They’re his strongest advocate..., and also his greatest detractor. I’m not necessarily taking that position. I was just offering up my analysis on the position in general. gosaints1 likes this.