Trevor Siemian

Lord_Saint83 · 11-02-2021, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I would tend to agree with that strategy as that is what I proposed all along in having Winston as the starter, but Siemian is not Winston. Nowhere even close. I feel that we have a far greater chance of success with the ball in Taysom's hands every play. Winston is a playmaker. Hill is a playmaker Siemian is not and never has been. I believe Payton knows this and I expect Hill to be getting all of the first team reps in practice.

The knock on Hill that Siemian does well is checking it down to Kamara/Ingram. Idk if Taysom doesn’t go through his progressions to get to that point or just lacks that touch needed for that pass but hopefully he has worked on it. He will need it moving for the team and for him if he wants to progress as a starting qb in this league.

SmashMouth · 11-02-2021, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

The knock on Hill that Siemian does well is checking it down to Kamara/Ingram. Idk if Taysom doesn’t go through his progressions to get to that point or just lacks that touch needed for that pass but hopefully he has worked on it. He will need it moving for the team and for him if he wants to progress as a starting qb in this league.

I guess we're fixing to find out ...

Lord_Saint83 · 11-02-2021, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

I guess we're fixing to find out ...

That we are, sir

TheOak · 11-02-2021, 12:13 PM

The best value for this team is Simeon starting and Taysom playing the Swiss Army Knife where he actually has the potential to be a game changer.

AsylumGuido · 11-02-2021, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The best value for this team is Simeon starting and Taysom playing the Swiss Army Knife where he actually has the potential to be a game changer.

That was my argument for Winston starting. However, I just don't have a good feeling with Siemian playing that role moving forward. He has always given up a lot of sacks and turnovers.

With Winston as the starter and Hill as the "joker" the net potential was greater than Hill starting by a sizable margin. Hill was not being used in the backup role. That was Siemian's job.

If we were to use Hill in the "joker" role with Siemian as the starter we would have to have Ian Book take over backup duties. I'm not sure that Payton is ready for Book or if Book is ready for that. Remember two years ago when Brees went down Teddy became the starter and Taysom's role diminished greatly as he became the primary backup. His touches went WAY down until Brees returned.

Hill is a dynamic player. He needs to touch the ball. Under these circumstances that would have to be as the QB.

neugey · 11-02-2021, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm not sure that Payton is ready for Book or if Book is ready for that. Remember two years ago when Brees went down Teddy became the starter and Taysom's role diminished greatly as he became the primary backup. His touches went WAY down until Brees returned.

Based on his output at Notre Dame, I think Book is ready to be the primary backup or go into games if necessary. He might not have quite the high ceiling of Zach Wilson or Trey Lance, but I believe he has a much higher floor than either of those two. Ultimately, Sean and Carmichael have the best insight because it's their team and they see how everyone looks in practice and how well they can execute the plays.

K Major · 11-02-2021, 01:22 PM

Saints are a contender looking to secure the division and/or a playoff spot.

No way does CSP insert a rookie QB.

The wheels would have to completely fall off with either Trevor or Taysom under center.

Thirty3 · 11-02-2021, 02:44 PM

AG asked about where the sudden love for Simeon came from. It came from finally being able to watch decent QB play. Nontheless, I am really Looking forward to going from 60% completion to 72%! Not too mention much better running skills. Praying for Taysom's brain injury though. I'd rather have Simeon play than rush Taysom into the lineup. Hopefully decision makers in this instance make the best long term decision.

iceshack149 · 11-02-2021, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

AG asked about where the sudden love for Simeon came from. It came from finally being able to watch decent QB play. Nontheless, I am really Looking forward to going from 60% completion to 72%! Not too mention much better running skills. Praying for Taysom's brain injury though. I'd rather have Simeon play than rush Taysom into the lineup. Hopefully decision makers in this instance make the best long term decision.

The benefit here is that the Saints are playing the Falcons. They should play their second stringers and rest the starters.

AsylumGuido · 11-02-2021, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

The benefit here is that the Saints are playing the Falcons. They should play their second stringers and rest the starters.

Any team in the NFL can beat any other on any given Sunday. Besides, at this point every game is vital for a shot at homefield advantage.

11-02-2021, 11:22 AM	#51
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I would tend to agree with that strategy as that is what I proposed all along in having Winston as the starter, but Siemian is not Winston. Nowhere even close. I feel that we have a far greater chance of success with the ball in Taysom's hands every play. Winston is a playmaker. Hill is a playmaker Siemian is not and never has been. I believe Payton knows this and I expect Hill to be getting all of the first team reps in practice. The knock on Hill that Siemian does well is checking it down to Kamara/Ingram. Idk if Taysom doesn’t go through his progressions to get to that point or just lacks that touch needed for that pass but hopefully he has worked on it. He will need it moving for the team and for him if he wants to progress as a starting qb in this league. jnormand likes this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 The knock on Hill that Siemian does well is checking it down to Kamara/Ingram. Idk if Taysom doesn’t go through his progressions to get to that point or just lacks that touch needed for that pass but hopefully he has worked on it. He will need it moving for the team and for him if he wants to progress as a starting qb in this league. I guess we're fixing to find out ... Rugby Saint II and stickman like this.

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Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by SmashMouth I guess we're fixing to find out ... That we are, sir

11-02-2021, 12:13 PM	#54
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Trevor Siemian The best value for this team is Simeon starting and Taysom playing the Swiss Army Knife where he actually has the potential to be a game changer.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,173	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by TheOak The best value for this team is Simeon starting and Taysom playing the Swiss Army Knife where he actually has the potential to be a game changer. That was my argument for Winston starting. However, I just don't have a good feeling with Siemian playing that role moving forward. He has always given up a lot of sacks and turnovers. With Winston as the starter and Hill as the "joker" the net potential was greater than Hill starting by a sizable margin. Hill was not being used in the backup role. That was Siemian's job. If we were to use Hill in the "joker" role with Siemian as the starter we would have to have Ian Book take over backup duties. I'm not sure that Payton is ready for Book or if Book is ready for that. Remember two years ago when Brees went down Teddy became the starter and Taysom's role diminished greatly as he became the primary backup. His touches went WAY down until Brees returned. Hill is a dynamic player. He needs to touch the ball. Under these circumstances that would have to be as the QB.
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11-02-2021, 01:12 PM	#56
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,695 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm not sure that Payton is ready for Book or if Book is ready for that. Remember two years ago when Brees went down Teddy became the starter and Taysom's role diminished greatly as he became the primary backup. His touches went WAY down until Brees returned. Based on his output at Notre Dame, I think Book is ready to be the primary backup or go into games if necessary. He might not have quite the high ceiling of Zach Wilson or Trey Lance, but I believe he has a much higher floor than either of those two. Ultimately, Sean and Carmichael have the best insight because it's their team and they see how everyone looks in practice and how well they can execute the plays. jnormand likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,618 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Trevor Siemian Saints are a contender looking to secure the division and/or a playoff spot. No way does CSP insert a rookie QB. The wheels would have to completely fall off with either Trevor or Taysom under center. saintfan, jnormand, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.

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11-02-2021, 03:35 PM	#59
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,254 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by Thirty3 AG asked about where the sudden love for Simeon came from. It came from finally being able to watch decent QB play. Nontheless, I am really Looking forward to going from 60% completion to 72%! Not too mention much better running skills. Praying for Taysom's brain injury though. I'd rather have Simeon play than rush Taysom into the lineup. Hopefully decision makers in this instance make the best long term decision. The benefit here is that the Saints are playing the Falcons. They should play their second stringers and rest the starters.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,173	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by iceshack149 The benefit here is that the Saints are playing the Falcons. They should play their second stringers and rest the starters. Any team in the NFL can beat any other on any given Sunday. Besides, at this point every game is vital for a shot at homefield advantage. bobdog86 likes this.

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