Trevor Siemian

Thirty3 · 11-21-2021, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Oh, so you prefer balls in the dirt and sailing out of reach to dropped passes?

Winston completed 59% of his passes
Simeon is 57% I think
Hill’s 4 starts 72%.

saintsfan1976 · 11-21-2021, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

Winston completed 59% of his passes
Simeon is 57% I think
Hill’s 4 starts 72%.

Let's give Trevor 4 starts to see how that pans out.

Boston Saint · 11-16-2021, 11:26 AM

Well, it seems to me the last two losses were not about QB play as much as other aspects. This last loss was mainly due to special teams (missed kicks and fumble) and a good old ref screwing. The Atl loss was dropped passes and again missed kicks as well as D letdowns. Maybe Hill could give a spark. But IMO it’s kinda like switching tires on a car that has no brakes and a bad transmission. The ride ain’t gonna be any smoother.

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2021, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Well, it seems to me the last two losses were not about QB play as much as other aspects. This last loss was mainly due to special teams (missed kicks and fumble) and a good old ref screwing. The Atl loss was dropped passes and again missed kicks as well as D letdowns. Maybe Hill could give a spark. But IMO it’s kinda like switching tires on a car that has no brakes and a bad transmission. The ride ain’t gonna be any smoother.

You are assuming the replaced tires could hold air. The success of WR's is in part dependent upon whom is attempting to get them the ball. I have little doubt we wouldn't be complaining about the WR's if Brees was still delivering the ball. I'm seeing receivers getting open but not having the ball get to them accurately or in a timely manner. Any success seems to be coming when the opposition is in a prevent mode.

Boston Saint · 11-16-2021, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are assuming the replaced tires could hold air. The success of WR's is in part dependent upon whom is attempting to get them the ball. I have little doubt we wouldn't be complaining about the WR's if Brees was still delivering the ball. I'm seeing receivers getting open but not having the ball get to them accurately or in a timely manner. Any success seems to be coming when the opposition is in a prevent mode.

Not sure what your point is. That it’s Simeon’s fault? I doubt Brees would be fairing any better with these WRs and TEs. The passing production hasn’t wavered too much between Winston and Simeon. There are plays here and there made but it’s mostly sucked forcing the offense to mostly rely on the RBs and QB scrambling (which got Winston hurt). Hill’s tires have no more air or tread than Simeon’s do. At least not enough to make a difference IMO.

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2021, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Not sure what your point is. That it’s Simeon’s fault? I doubt Brees would be fairing any better with these WRs and TEs. The passing production hasn’t wavered too much between Winston and Simeon. There are plays here and there made but it’s mostly sucked forcing the offense to mostly rely on the RBs and QB scrambling (which got Winston hurt). Hill’s tires have no more air or tread than Simeon’s do.

Oh, come on. I have no doubt Brees would be doing far, far better with these same WR's and TE's. Winston was also leading the league in TD per pass rate when he got injured at 8.7% while Siemian is currently at 4.8%. Brady is second to Winston thus far at 7.2%.

jeanpierre · 11-16-2021, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Oh, come on. I have no doubt Brees would be doing far, far better with these same WR's and TE's. Winston was also leading the league in TD per pass rate when he got injured at 8.7% while Siemian is currently at 4.8%. Brady is second to Winston thus far at 7.2%.

Brees did do better...

Brees put in the work with early AM film room sessions and he understood how the QB could make the WRs, TEs, RBs, and O-linemen's job easier with the details better QBing...

Boston Saint · 11-16-2021, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Oh, come on. I have no doubt Brees would be doing far, far better with these same WR's and TE's.

I do. With the weapons and their performance that Simeon had the last two games and the Kicking/Penalties/Defensive breakdowns the team loses those 2 games with Brees same way they did with Simeon.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Winston was also leading the league in TD per pass rate when he got injured at 8.7% while Siemian is currently at 4.8%. Brady is second to Winston thus far at 7.2%.

Why are you bringing up Winston? He’s hurt in case you haven’t heard i.e. “Water under the bridge”. You know who most of Winston’s completions were to? Kamara. You know who Simeon didn’t have last game? Kamara. No impact their either in your mind I guess 🙄. That being said, I’d rather have winston as QB as well. The point was about inserting Taysom Hill as QB and if he would make a difference.

blackangold · 11-16-2021, 11:43 AM

Trevor has played great, and could be a future to build around. He, so far, has played better than Winston.

The biggest issue Trevor has is at WR/TE.

We have the worst average separation by pass catchers in the league and are 5th in dropped passes. Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Manning wouldn't have much success with our WR/TEs.

Trevor threw for 300 2 TDs against one of the best Defenses with ZERO help around him.

The one knock on Trevor... piss poor clock management, that can be improved.

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2021, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Trevor has played great, and could be a future to build around. He, so far, has played better than Winston.

The biggest issue Trevor has is at WR/TE.

We have the worst average separation by pass catchers in the league and are 5th in dropped passes. Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Manning wouldn't have much success with our WR/TEs.

Trevor threw for 300 2 TDs against one of the best Defenses with ZERO help around him.

The one knock on Trevor... piss poor clock management, that can be improved.

You are clearly watching a different game than me. I will not be surprised to see a change at QB this coming week. What is it with the sudden rash of dropped balls? I shared earlier that I felt the low velocity ball that Siemian throws has to affect the receiver's timing. They are expecting the ball to be in the hands when its arrival is actually a tad later than expected.

11-21-2021, 10:28 AM	#1
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Oh, so you prefer balls in the dirt and sailing out of reach to dropped passes? Winston completed 59% of his passes Simeon is 57% I think Hill’s 4 starts 72%.
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11-21-2021, 11:58 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by Thirty3 Winston completed 59% of his passes Simeon is 57% I think Hill’s 4 starts 72%. Let's give Trevor 4 starts to see how that pans out.

11-16-2021, 11:26 AM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Trevor Siemian Well, it seems to me the last two losses were not about QB play as much as other aspects. This last loss was mainly due to special teams (missed kicks and fumble) and a good old ref screwing. The Atl loss was dropped passes and again missed kicks as well as D letdowns. Maybe Hill could give a spark. But IMO it’s kinda like switching tires on a car that has no brakes and a bad transmission. The ride ain’t gonna be any smoother. iceshack149 and jnormand like this.

11-16-2021, 11:56 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by Boston Saint Well, it seems to me the last two losses were not about QB play as much as other aspects. This last loss was mainly due to special teams (missed kicks and fumble) and a good old ref screwing. The Atl loss was dropped passes and again missed kicks as well as D letdowns. Maybe Hill could give a spark. But IMO it’s kinda like switching tires on a car that has no brakes and a bad transmission. The ride ain’t gonna be any smoother. You are assuming the replaced tires could hold air. The success of WR's is in part dependent upon whom is attempting to get them the ball. I have little doubt we wouldn't be complaining about the WR's if Brees was still delivering the ball. I'm seeing receivers getting open but not having the ball get to them accurately or in a timely manner. Any success seems to be coming when the opposition is in a prevent mode.

11-16-2021, 01:00 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are assuming the replaced tires could hold air. The success of WR's is in part dependent upon whom is attempting to get them the ball. I have little doubt we wouldn't be complaining about the WR's if Brees was still delivering the ball. I'm seeing receivers getting open but not having the ball get to them accurately or in a timely manner. Any success seems to be coming when the opposition is in a prevent mode. Not sure what your point is. That it’s Simeon’s fault? I doubt Brees would be fairing any better with these WRs and TEs. The passing production hasn’t wavered too much between Winston and Simeon. There are plays here and there made but it’s mostly sucked forcing the offense to mostly rely on the RBs and QB scrambling (which got Winston hurt). Hill’s tires have no more air or tread than Simeon’s do. At least not enough to make a difference IMO.

11-16-2021, 01:10 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by Boston Saint Not sure what your point is. That it’s Simeon’s fault? I doubt Brees would be fairing any better with these WRs and TEs. The passing production hasn’t wavered too much between Winston and Simeon. There are plays here and there made but it’s mostly sucked forcing the offense to mostly rely on the RBs and QB scrambling (which got Winston hurt). Hill’s tires have no more air or tread than Simeon’s do. Oh, come on. I have no doubt Brees would be doing far, far better with these same WR's and TE's. Winston was also leading the league in TD per pass rate when he got injured at 8.7% while Siemian is currently at 4.8%. Brady is second to Winston thus far at 7.2%. jeanpierre and K Major like this.

11-16-2021, 01:47 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Oh, come on. I have no doubt Brees would be doing far, far better with these same WR's and TE's. Winston was also leading the league in TD per pass rate when he got injured at 8.7% while Siemian is currently at 4.8%. Brady is second to Winston thus far at 7.2%. Brees did do better... Brees put in the work with early AM film room sessions and he understood how the QB could make the WRs, TEs, RBs, and O-linemen's job easier with the details better QBing... jnormand and voodooido like this.

11-16-2021, 02:00 PM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Oh, come on. I have no doubt Brees would be doing far, far better with these same WR's and TE's. I do. With the weapons and their performance that Simeon had the last two games and the Kicking/Penalties/Defensive breakdowns the team loses those 2 games with Brees same way they did with Simeon. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Winston was also leading the league in TD per pass rate when he got injured at 8.7% while Siemian is currently at 4.8%. Brady is second to Winston thus far at 7.2%. Why are you bringing up Winston? He’s hurt in case you haven’t heard i.e. “Water under the bridge”. You know who most of Winston’s completions were to? Kamara. You know who Simeon didn’t have last game? Kamara. No impact their either in your mind I guess 🙄. That being said, I’d rather have winston as QB as well. The point was about inserting Taysom Hill as QB and if he would make a difference.
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11-16-2021, 11:43 AM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Trevor Siemian Trevor has played great, and could be a future to build around. He, so far, has played better than Winston. The biggest issue Trevor has is at WR/TE. We have the worst average separation by pass catchers in the league and are 5th in dropped passes. Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Manning wouldn't have much success with our WR/TEs. Trevor threw for 300 2 TDs against one of the best Defenses with ZERO help around him. The one knock on Trevor... piss poor clock management, that can be improved. jnormand likes this.

11-16-2021, 12:07 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Trevor Siemian Originally Posted by blackangold Trevor has played great, and could be a future to build around. He, so far, has played better than Winston. The biggest issue Trevor has is at WR/TE. We have the worst average separation by pass catchers in the league and are 5th in dropped passes. Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Manning wouldn't have much success with our WR/TEs. Trevor threw for 300 2 TDs against one of the best Defenses with ZERO help around him. The one knock on Trevor... piss poor clock management, that can be improved. You are clearly watching a different game than me. I will not be surprised to see a change at QB this coming week. What is it with the sudden rash of dropped balls? I shared earlier that I felt the low velocity ball that Siemian throws has to affect the receiver's timing. They are expecting the ball to be in the hands when its arrival is actually a tad later than expected.

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