Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread

SmashMouth · 02-25-2023, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Only twice in the history of the cap has it gone down and that was during the height of the pandemic (2021) and the year after the league was uncapped in 2010 (CBA dispute). The year following the 2021 season the cap more than doubled the highest jump in the history of the cap increasing by almost $26 million in a single year (2022). For a comparison, that single year increase was only $7 million less than the entire cap in 1994 ($34.6M).

This is what I have been trying to stress for years around here. Just based upon the current deals the cap will grow to over $300 million before the end of this decade. Only something catastrophic can affect the growth.

Therefore it will never, never ever happen again . There is nothing to see here.

BakoSaint · 02-25-2023, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Therefore it will never, never ever happen again . There is nothing to see here.

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...86988616249344

I don't think Underhill's comment is the whole truth. I think its more accurate to say you can keep pushing money forward as long as you keep the player the money is attached to on the roster. To keep them on the roster indefinitely, you do need to add money, as they require base salaries and rarely except veteran minimum numbers long term if they have been paid much more before. When they leave the roster, all that money comes due for that league year or split 50/50 with the next league year. So if humans did not age, it would be a great strategy. But when you are one of the oldest NFL rosters and you are talking about restructuring contracts to push money far out into the future for your oldest players, and you start every league year the most over the cap in the league, it becomes a big problem. I am not confident that Andrus Peat, Taysom Hill, Tyrann Mathieu, or even Cameron Jordan or Demario Davis will be productive players in their 40's or especially 50's. If we wanted to blow up the cap, it would have been smarter to do it during the latter years of Drew's prime to add high dollar free agent oline depth, TE, corners, etc. But Loomis did not need rings to keep his job, he just needed 7-10 or 9-7 or whatever, so we didn't. Now we are blowing up the cap to win 7, 8, 9 games because Loomis does not care about rings, he cares about minimum standards for job security.

AsylumGuido · 02-25-2023, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Therefore it will never, never ever happen again . There is nothing to see here.

https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...86988616249344

Oh, it could happen again. It might be twenty years from now, but if you were a betting man you make a fortune betting on it to rise every year. If something like another pandemic came about someday it really only hits the strategy for a year or two at the most. Well worth the gamble.

02-25-2023, 10:44 AM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,803 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Only twice in the history of the cap has it gone down and that was during the height of the pandemic (2021) and the year after the league was uncapped in 2010 (CBA dispute). The year following the 2021 season the cap more than doubled the highest jump in the history of the cap increasing by almost $26 million in a single year (2022). For a comparison, that single year increase was only $7 million less than the entire cap in 1994 ($34.6M). This is what I have been trying to stress for years around here. Just based upon the current deals the cap will grow to over $300 million before the end of this decade. Only something catastrophic can affect the growth. Therefore it will never, never ever happen again . There is nothing to see here. Twitter
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02-25-2023, 11:13 AM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,391	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth Therefore it will never, never ever happen again . There is nothing to see here. https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...86988616249344 I don't think Underhill's comment is the whole truth. I think its more accurate to say you can keep pushing money forward as long as you keep the player the money is attached to on the roster. To keep them on the roster indefinitely, you do need to add money, as they require base salaries and rarely except veteran minimum numbers long term if they have been paid much more before. When they leave the roster, all that money comes due for that league year or split 50/50 with the next league year. So if humans did not age, it would be a great strategy. But when you are one of the oldest NFL rosters and you are talking about restructuring contracts to push money far out into the future for your oldest players, and you start every league year the most over the cap in the league, it becomes a big problem. I am not confident that Andrus Peat, Taysom Hill, Tyrann Mathieu, or even Cameron Jordan or Demario Davis will be productive players in their 40's or especially 50's. If we wanted to blow up the cap, it would have been smarter to do it during the latter years of Drew's prime to add high dollar free agent oline depth, TE, corners, etc. But Loomis did not need rings to keep his job, he just needed 7-10 or 9-7 or whatever, so we didn't. Now we are blowing up the cap to win 7, 8, 9 games because Loomis does not care about rings, he cares about minimum standards for job security.
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02-25-2023, 11:38 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth Therefore it will never, never ever happen again . There is nothing to see here. https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/s...86988616249344 Oh, it could happen again. It might be twenty years from now, but if you were a betting man you make a fortune betting on it to rise every year. If something like another pandemic came about someday it really only hits the strategy for a year or two at the most. Well worth the gamble.