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Old 09-25-2023, 06:25 AM   #1
 
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Old 09-25-2023, 07:01 AM   #3
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Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers

Due to "technical difficulties" my ability to watch the last quarter was severely impaired. I have several questions that some of you could answer (without hysteria and hyberbole, but actual observations) that may be able to shed light on this loss for me. Please indulge me.

1) OLine struggles were still evident. What did the line look like after Ruiz went down and did the Carr injury happen as a result of the replacement being keyed on?

2) Inability to simply move the chains seems to be an ongoing theme. Largely, what are the likely culprits- PC's playcalling, Poor execution on all levels of the offense, Packer's D adjusting quicker than our ability to alter, Crowd noise, or some odd combination thereof.

3) Did there look like there was a cohesive plan to move the ball via ground game throughout the game or was it abandoned at some point in favor of throwing the ball downfield? Would AK41's presence have made a significant difference in that plan?

4) Defense got lucky with some dropsies more than a few times early in the game. What happened to the pressure on Love? did they abandon the early game plan (which appeared to be working well) to start dropping back in zone coverage?

Curious as to what some of you saw. Sadly, for some, I can already predict your responses, but surprise me. Let me have them anyway. Thanks!

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Old 09-25-2023, 10:11 AM   #4
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Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers

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Due to "technical difficulties" my ability to watch the last quarter was severely impaired. I have several questions that some of you could answer (without hysteria and hyberbole, but actual observations) that may be able to shed light on this loss for me. Please indulge me.

1) OLine struggles were still evident. What did the line look like after Ruiz went down and did the Carr injury happen as a result of the replacement being keyed on?

2) Inability to simply move the chains seems to be an ongoing theme. Largely, what are the likely culprits- PC's playcalling, Poor execution on all levels of the offense, Packer's D adjusting quicker than our ability to alter, Crowd noise, or some odd combination thereof.

3) Did there look like there was a cohesive plan to move the ball via ground game throughout the game or was it abandoned at some point in favor of throwing the ball downfield? Would AK41's presence have made a significant difference in that plan?

4) Defense got lucky with some dropsies more than a few times early in the game. What happened to the pressure on Love? did they abandon the early game plan (which appeared to be working well) to start dropping back in zone coverage?

Curious as to what some of you saw. Sadly, for some, I can already predict your responses, but surprise me. Let me have them anyway. Thanks!
1. Wasn't Ruiz replacement, Ram was badly beaten on outside rush. The whole line is struggling right now.
2. Play calling and execution. 3rd and 3 and let's throw it 20 yards instead of quick slant or Hill and QB power. Speaking of Hill, it's criminal that he only had 18 snaps on offense. Receivers are also running the wrong routes.
3. The run was abandoned in the 2nd half. I believe there were 21 passes called vs 9 runs. I believe Pete want to try and take advantage of Alexander being out but O-line couldn't provide the time and also see receivers running wrong routes.
4. 4 man rush couldn't get home and to me it looked like Werner was being used as a spy on Love which opened up short passes to RB's out the backfield. Defense got tired in 4th qtr due to 3 and outs.

This is what i saw.
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Old 09-25-2023, 08:08 AM   #5
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We may have gotten the 2022 version of Carr, he has struggled the entire year so far. But with that said, seems to have a big edge over Winston when it comes to game management. Had he not gotten hurt, I would have to think Carr at least is able to eat a little more time off the clock to prevent the Packers from coming back in the end.

Shame on Grupe for missing an easy 46 yard field goal to give the Saints another chance. As bad as Winston looked, to his credit he did at least get the team in position to take a late lead.

The front line was so bad that Peat may have gotten his job back. At least for a short while when he came into the game things seemed to settle down. It's hard to say why this group is struggling so bad, even Ram isn't playing up to his usual level.

Play calling is very suspect, Miller and Jones wasn't exactly lighting it up, but was getting steady yards. And with a front line struggling so bad, where is the screen passing game? OK, so Kamara isn't playing, maybe some WR screens or something?

As for a temporary replacement QB to fill out the roster, I would go Josh Johnson. I know that sounds crazy, but he may be the only guy available who can at least run out of the pocket to avoid some of the pass rush. Maybe Taysom Hill needs to start over Winston for the same reason?
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Old 09-25-2023, 08:43 AM   #6
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We may have gotten the 2022 version of Carr, he has struggled the entire year so far. But with that said, seems to have a big edge over Winston when it comes to game management. Had he not gotten hurt, I would have to think Carr at least is able to eat a little more time off the clock to prevent the Packers from coming back in the end.

Shame on Grupe for missing an easy 46 yard field goal to give the Saints another chance. As bad as Winston looked, to his credit he did at least get the team in position to take a late lead.

The front line was so bad that Peat may have gotten his job back. At least for a short while when he came into the game things seemed to settle down. It's hard to say why this group is struggling so bad, even Ram isn't playing up to his usual level.

Play calling is very suspect, Miller and Jones wasn't exactly lighting it up, but was getting steady yards. And with a front line struggling so bad, where is the screen passing game? OK, so Kamara isn't playing, maybe some WR screens or something?

As for a temporary replacement QB to fill out the roster, I would go Josh Johnson. I know that sounds crazy, but he may be the only guy available who can at least run out of the pocket to avoid some of the pass rush. Maybe Taysom Hill needs to start over Winston for the same reason?
Please share one good stat that Carr has this season. Stop with the “Winston played terrible” narrative…that is pure BS. Neither QB was effective and Winston had damn near the same stats as Carr with less playing time in the game. Plus as soon as he got things going they pull him for Hill and MT gets a hold call that sets them back. Not to mention the WR forgot the plays cause several of them were running the incorrect routes.

This was a coaching failure in the 4th quarter of epic proportions.
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Please share one good stat that Carr has this season. Stop with the “Winston played terrible” narrative…that is pure BS. Neither QB was effective and Winston had damn near the same stats as Carr with less playing time in the game. Plus as soon as he got things going they pull him for Hill and MT gets a hold call that sets them back. Not to mention the WR forgot the plays cause several of them were running the incorrect routes.

This was a coaching failure in the 4th quarter of epic proportions.
Before you jump all over me, go back and read the very first thing I mentioned about Carr, and yes, Winston is not a good fit for the Saints.
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Old 09-25-2023, 11:54 AM   #8
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Before you jump all over me, go back and read the very first thing I mentioned about Carr, and yes, Winston is not a good fit for the Saints.
Not jumping on you…just tired of the Carr vs Winston talk. It is completely pointless because the issue is that the offensive scheme doesn’t benefit either of the QBs we have.

Let me ask you this though. What has Carr shown in the past or present that show he is a good fit. I don’t think either of them are good fit for the current offense and I’ve said that before.

This team needs to address the elephant in the room and that is the offensive scheme. It’s not conducive for either QB.
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Not jumping on you…just tired of the Carr vs Winston talk. It is completely pointless because the issue is that the offensive scheme doesn’t benefit either of the QBs we have.

Let me ask you this though. What has Carr shown in the past or present that show he is a good fit. I don’t think either of them are good fit for the current offense and I’ve said that before.

This team needs to address the elephant in the room and that is the offensive scheme. It’s not conducive for either QB.
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Originally Posted by Rsanders24 View Post
Not jumping on you…just tired of the Carr vs Winston talk. It is completely pointless because the issue is that the offensive scheme doesn’t benefit either of the QBs we have.

Let me ask you this though. What has Carr shown in the past or present that show he is a good fit. I don’t think either of them are good fit for the current offense and I’ve said that before.

This team needs to address the elephant in the room and that is the offensive scheme. It’s not conducive for either QB.
What scheme should we be running?
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