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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by rezburna I observe through social media commentary that most people watch football but don’t know football. I wouldn’t even dwell on this week. Hopefully Carr isn’t out for any length of time. We get Kamara back next ...

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Old 09-25-2023, 08:31 AM   #81
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I observe through social media commentary that most people watch football but don’t know football. I wouldn’t even dwell on this week. Hopefully Carr isn’t out for any length of time. We get Kamara back next week. I’d be searching for trades on the offensive line. We’re stuck with Carmichael and his piss poor plays. Keep moving forward.
The O line is performing too poorly not to dwell on. There are major and RECURRING issues...
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Old 09-25-2023, 08:38 AM   #82
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3 in the first half, 15 points in the second. They figured something out or our defense didn’t adjust.

O-Line let the QB get hurt but didn’t do anything to help them put up 15 in the second half.

HC is a liability from what I heard about 2minute play calling.

With the exception of big plays just not a very good all round it seems.

This is what Dennis Allen was going into this game 16–38 (.296).
Charmichael chokes in the red zone and abandons the run.

Carr misses MT open in the end zone.

O line fails to protect on critical third downs.

DA's defense gets schooled down the stretch.

This is the Tampa Bay loss from last year all over again...
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Old 09-25-2023, 09:08 AM   #83
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We may have gotten the 2022 version of Carr, he has struggled the entire year so far. But with that said, seems to have a big edge over Winston when it comes to game management. Had he not gotten hurt, I would have to think Carr at least is able to eat a little more time off the clock to prevent the Packers from coming back in the end.

Shame on Grupe for missing an easy 46 yard field goal to give the Saints another chance. As bad as Winston looked, to his credit he did at least get the team in position to take a late lead.

The front line was so bad that Peat may have gotten his job back. At least for a short while when he came into the game things seemed to settle down. It's hard to say why this group is struggling so bad, even Ram isn't playing up to his usual level.

Play calling is very suspect, Miller and Jones wasn't exactly lighting it up, but was getting steady yards. And with a front line struggling so bad, where is the screen passing game? OK, so Kamara isn't playing, maybe some WR screens or something?

As for a temporary replacement QB to fill out the roster, I would go Josh Johnson. I know that sounds crazy, but he may be the only guy available who can at least run out of the pocket to avoid some of the pass rush. Maybe Taysom Hill needs to start over Winston for the same reason?
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Old 09-25-2023, 09:30 AM   #84
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With a struggling oline, more roll outs & slants would be nice.

The screen game has been almost nonexistent. And not just this season either.

Help out your QB - no need to have our guy sitting back taking shots when you see we are struggling in those trenches.

That’s a coaching problem >Pete Carmichael.
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Old 09-25-2023, 09:35 AM   #85
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I mulled over this last night and Pete has to go. We have too many weapons on offense that were already on this team to be bad and pedestrian like.

The difference in this game was GB kept attacking downfield and spreading our defense out. Eventually it payed off. If our o-line can’t protect the pocket then move it! I’m tired of watching this anemic offense then watching other games.

We played against a decimated team yesterday and it was pathetic. I don’t know if they are trying to make Carr play like Brees but they need to realize that Brees is gone! They will not create that same magic again. Use Carr and Winston for their strengths and score some points! Watching this offense so far this season is like watching paint dry. Seeing all these other teams create explosive plays makes my blood boil because I know we have the weapons to do that as well.

Don’t get me started on our RedZone offense…
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Old 09-25-2023, 09:43 AM   #86
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We may have gotten the 2022 version of Carr, he has struggled the entire year so far. But with that said, seems to have a big edge over Winston when it comes to game management. Had he not gotten hurt, I would have to think Carr at least is able to eat a little more time off the clock to prevent the Packers from coming back in the end.

Shame on Grupe for missing an easy 46 yard field goal to give the Saints another chance. As bad as Winston looked, to his credit he did at least get the team in position to take a late lead.

The front line was so bad that Peat may have gotten his job back. At least for a short while when he came into the game things seemed to settle down. It's hard to say why this group is struggling so bad, even Ram isn't playing up to his usual level.

Play calling is very suspect, Miller and Jones wasn't exactly lighting it up, but was getting steady yards. And with a front line struggling so bad, where is the screen passing game? OK, so Kamara isn't playing, maybe some WR screens or something?

As for a temporary replacement QB to fill out the roster, I would go Josh Johnson. I know that sounds crazy, but he may be the only guy available who can at least run out of the pocket to avoid some of the pass rush. Maybe Taysom Hill needs to start over Winston for the same reason?
Please share one good stat that Carr has this season. Stop with the “Winston played terrible” narrative…that is pure BS. Neither QB was effective and Winston had damn near the same stats as Carr with less playing time in the game. Plus as soon as he got things going they pull him for Hill and MT gets a hold call that sets them back. Not to mention the WR forgot the plays cause several of them were running the incorrect routes.

This was a coaching failure in the 4th quarter of epic proportions.
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Please share one good stat that Carr has this season. Stop with the “Winston played terrible” narrative…that is pure BS. Neither QB was effective and Winston had damn near the same stats as Carr with less playing time in the game. Plus as soon as he got things going they pull him for Hill and MT gets a hold call that sets them back. Not to mention the WR forgot the plays cause several of them were running the incorrect routes.

This was a coaching failure in the 4th quarter of epic proportions.
Before you jump all over me, go back and read the very first thing I mentioned about Carr, and yes, Winston is not a good fit for the Saints.
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New system. New coaches. New teammates. I don't care what you think, thigs were going to start slowly for Carr. Which they have to an extent and we've gotten what many of us expected - a Top 15ish QB.

Bottom line though is the O line has put him in jeopardy more often than should be professionally acceptable. All of them. Every single first round pick out there has let him down and they should be embarrassed.

Coaches too
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Due to "technical difficulties" my ability to watch the last quarter was severely impaired. I have several questions that some of you could answer (without hysteria and hyberbole, but actual observations) that may be able to shed light on this loss for me. Please indulge me.

1) OLine struggles were still evident. What did the line look like after Ruiz went down and did the Carr injury happen as a result of the replacement being keyed on?

2) Inability to simply move the chains seems to be an ongoing theme. Largely, what are the likely culprits- PC's playcalling, Poor execution on all levels of the offense, Packer's D adjusting quicker than our ability to alter, Crowd noise, or some odd combination thereof.

3) Did there look like there was a cohesive plan to move the ball via ground game throughout the game or was it abandoned at some point in favor of throwing the ball downfield? Would AK41's presence have made a significant difference in that plan?

4) Defense got lucky with some dropsies more than a few times early in the game. What happened to the pressure on Love? did they abandon the early game plan (which appeared to be working well) to start dropping back in zone coverage?

Curious as to what some of you saw. Sadly, for some, I can already predict your responses, but surprise me. Let me have them anyway. Thanks!
1. Wasn't Ruiz replacement, Ram was badly beaten on outside rush. The whole line is struggling right now.
2. Play calling and execution. 3rd and 3 and let's throw it 20 yards instead of quick slant or Hill and QB power. Speaking of Hill, it's criminal that he only had 18 snaps on offense. Receivers are also running the wrong routes.
3. The run was abandoned in the 2nd half. I believe there were 21 passes called vs 9 runs. I believe Pete want to try and take advantage of Alexander being out but O-line couldn't provide the time and also see receivers running wrong routes.
4. 4 man rush couldn't get home and to me it looked like Werner was being used as a spy on Love which opened up short passes to RB's out the backfield. Defense got tired in 4th qtr due to 3 and outs.

This is what i saw.
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Landon Young ... poor technique & sloppy footwork.

Gotta do better this. QB had no shot.

Saints allowed 4 sacks for 29 yards lost on the day .

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