Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers

K Major · 09-24-2023, 05:50 PM

If you don’t fix the oline, it really doesn’t matter who is under center.

You may recall, in Baldy’s X’s & O’s breakdown vs Carolina, I specifically called out the entire line & saying “I’d rather our guy HOLD than having a breakdown/free release to our QB).

Unfortunately our protection broke down & it may have cost us our QB
for the season. If Dougie Marrone doesn’t get this figured out, Jameis is
going to get blown up as well.

Saints still lead the league in QB sacks allowed 2 straight weeks.

BakoSaint · 09-24-2023, 06:05 PM

Looks like Carr has an AC Joint Sprain. Some players come back from that in 1 week, but probably there are different grades and it could be a few weeks. Problem is he comes back to the same oline and our schedule gets tougher.

Thirty3 · 09-24-2023, 06:14 PM

Gentlemen, the ONLY difference in the first and second half was not the play caller. It was the signal caller.

BakoSaint · 09-24-2023, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

Gentlemen, the ONLY difference in the first and second half was not the play caller. It was the signal caller.

Well golly gee I'll be darned. Winston should have called for a punt return TD and a big INT in the second half. What was he thinking?

Rsanders24 · 09-24-2023, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

Gentlemen, the ONLY difference in the first and second half was not the play caller. It was the signal caller.

If this is the best you can come up with, we know where you stand or just maybe, you did not watch this game. Carr and Winston stats were very similar except Carr had a short field on one drive that a aided further by a personal foul.

The offense is in shambles regardless of the QB.

rezburna · 09-24-2023, 06:20 PM

Sprained AC joint is a relief.

BakoSaint · 09-24-2023, 08:02 PM

We probably need to bring in a QB for the week. I think it would be interesting to look at some of the Patriots retreads. I don't know what Corral had going on when he left the team but we should look into it. If its excusable, he has upside. Also that Malik guy, a mobile option might be good with our oline. And the Patriots keep making roster moves so maybe they put Zappe back on the practice squad and we can snag him. I would rather one of these options than bring in a known horrible hopeless QB just because they know our system. Also we could use some information on the Patriots and/or Panthers.

Cruize · 09-25-2023, 04:31 AM

-Terrible, difference making loss. The Saints were up 17-0 and the better team talent wise. All on the coaching.
-Carr is not a $40 million per year QB. Horrible pocket presence. Forces too many throws.
-Grupe missed the first kick that truly mattered. Not a good sign.
-The OL coach should be fired.
-The OC should be fired.
-With this WR Corp, the Saints shouldn't score under 30.
-The Saints appeared to go to that dreaded prevent defense in the 4th.
-Up 17-0 and 4th and short on the opponents side of the 50, go for it and finish them off.
-Taylor is a better CB than Adebo.
-Jones and Miller looked good.
-Must win vs Tampa.

Rell&Gold · 09-25-2023, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

-Terrible, difference making loss. The Saints were up 17-0 and the better team talent wise. All on the coaching.
-Carr is not a $40 million per year QB. Horrible pocket presence. Forces too many throws.
-Grupe missed the first kick that truly mattered. Not a good sign.
-The OL coach should be fired.
-The OC should be fired.
-With this WR Corp, the Saints shouldn't score under 30.
-The Saints appeared to go to that dreaded prevent defense in the 4th.
-Up 17-0 and 4th and short on the opponents side of the 50, go for it and finish them off.
-Taylor is a better CB than Adebo.
-Jones and Miller looked good.
-Must win vs Tampa.

Agree with everything think Groupe was just nerves probably didn't think he it was going come down to him. Lls probably was thinking naw we got this we're up 17-0 what's worse that can happen. No excuses he should have made it. I think he'll comeback stronger.

Rell&Gold · 09-25-2023, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

-Terrible, difference making loss. The Saints were up 17-0 and the better team talent wise. All on the coaching.
-Carr is not a $40 million per year QB. Horrible pocket presence. Forces too many throws.
-Grupe missed the first kick that truly mattered. Not a good sign.
-The OL coach should be fired.
-The OC should be fired.
-With this WR Corp, the Saints shouldn't score under 30.
-The Saints appeared to go to that dreaded prevent defense in the 4th.
-Up 17-0 and 4th and short on the opponents side of the 50, go for it and finish them off.
-Taylor is a better CB than Adebo.
-Jones and Miller looked good.
-Must win vs Tampa.

Agree with everything think Groupe was just nerves probably didn't think it was going come down to him. Lls probably was thinking naw we got this we're up 17-0 what's worse that can happen. No excuses he should have made it. I think he'll comeback stronger.

09-24-2023, 05:50 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers If you don’t fix the oline, it really doesn’t matter who is under center. You may recall, in Baldy’s X’s & O’s breakdown vs Carolina, I specifically called out the entire line & saying “I’d rather our guy HOLD than having a breakdown/free release to our QB). Unfortunately our protection broke down & it may have cost us our QB for the season. If Dougie Marrone doesn’t get this figured out, Jameis is going to get blown up as well. Saints still lead the league in QB sacks allowed 2 straight weeks. Danno, Rsanders24 and Sinner like this.

09-24-2023, 06:05 PM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Looks like Carr has an AC Joint Sprain. Some players come back from that in 1 week, but probably there are different grades and it could be a few weeks. Problem is he comes back to the same oline and our schedule gets tougher.
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09-24-2023, 06:14 PM	#3
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Gentlemen, the ONLY difference in the first and second half was not the play caller. It was the signal caller.
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09-24-2023, 06:19 PM	#4
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Thirty3 Gentlemen, the ONLY difference in the first and second half was not the play caller. It was the signal caller. Well golly gee I'll be darned. Winston should have called for a punt return TD and a big INT in the second half. What was he thinking? neugey, Rsanders24 and K Major like this.
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09-24-2023, 06:29 PM	#5
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,493	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Thirty3 Gentlemen, the ONLY difference in the first and second half was not the play caller. It was the signal caller. If this is the best you can come up with, we know where you stand or just maybe, you did not watch this game. Carr and Winston stats were very similar except Carr had a short field on one drive that a aided further by a personal foul. The offense is in shambles regardless of the QB. Sinner, Rell&Gold, K Major and 2 others like this.

09-24-2023, 06:20 PM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,110	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Sprained AC joint is a relief. AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and Rell&Gold like this.

09-24-2023, 08:02 PM	#7
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers We probably need to bring in a QB for the week. I think it would be interesting to look at some of the Patriots retreads. I don't know what Corral had going on when he left the team but we should look into it. If its excusable, he has upside. Also that Malik guy, a mobile option might be good with our oline. And the Patriots keep making roster moves so maybe they put Zappe back on the practice squad and we can snag him. I would rather one of these options than bring in a known horrible hopeless QB just because they know our system. Also we could use some information on the Patriots and/or Panthers.
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09-25-2023, 04:31 AM	#8
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers -Terrible, difference making loss. The Saints were up 17-0 and the better team talent wise. All on the coaching. -Carr is not a $40 million per year QB. Horrible pocket presence. Forces too many throws. -Grupe missed the first kick that truly mattered. Not a good sign. -The OL coach should be fired. -The OC should be fired. -With this WR Corp, the Saints shouldn't score under 30. -The Saints appeared to go to that dreaded prevent defense in the 4th. -Up 17-0 and 4th and short on the opponents side of the 50, go for it and finish them off. -Taylor is a better CB than Adebo. -Jones and Miller looked good. -Must win vs Tampa. Sinner and Rell&Gold like this.
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09-25-2023, 05:32 AM	#9
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Cruize -Terrible, difference making loss. The Saints were up 17-0 and the better team talent wise. All on the coaching. -Carr is not a $40 million per year QB. Horrible pocket presence. Forces too many throws. -Grupe missed the first kick that truly mattered. Not a good sign. -The OL coach should be fired. -The OC should be fired. -With this WR Corp, the Saints shouldn't score under 30. -The Saints appeared to go to that dreaded prevent defense in the 4th. -Up 17-0 and 4th and short on the opponents side of the 50, go for it and finish them off. -Taylor is a better CB than Adebo. -Jones and Miller looked good. -Must win vs Tampa. Agree with everything think Groupe was just nerves probably didn't think he it was going come down to him. Lls probably was thinking naw we got this we're up 17-0 what's worse that can happen. No excuses he should have made it. I think he'll comeback stronger. Sinner likes this.

09-25-2023, 05:33 AM	#10
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss to Packers Originally Posted by Cruize -Terrible, difference making loss. The Saints were up 17-0 and the better team talent wise. All on the coaching. -Carr is not a $40 million per year QB. Horrible pocket presence. Forces too many throws. -Grupe missed the first kick that truly mattered. Not a good sign. -The OL coach should be fired. -The OC should be fired. -With this WR Corp, the Saints shouldn't score under 30. -The Saints appeared to go to that dreaded prevent defense in the 4th. -Up 17-0 and 4th and short on the opponents side of the 50, go for it and finish them off. -Taylor is a better CB than Adebo. -Jones and Miller looked good. -Must win vs Tampa. Agree with everything think Groupe was just nerves probably didn't think it was going come down to him. Lls probably was thinking naw we got this we're up 17-0 what's worse that can happen. No excuses he should have made it. I think he'll comeback stronger.