2010 NFL Draft

CantonLegend · 02-24-2010, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

In a 4-3, the nose tackle isn't two-gapping. He's asked to shoot through the gap and penetrate the backfield. As a defensive tackle gets older, he loses the ability to run. In a 3-4, the nose tackle is more of a wrestler. Strength is more important than leg speed for a two-gapping nose tackle.
This is the reason that Cody will not be a Saint next year. I really don't know how else to explain this to you.
Also, Saints opponents are always playing from behind because our offense is so good. Therefore, we need DT's that can rush the passer, which Cody cannot do. It's a new NFL Canton. Stopping the run and running the ball are the old school way of winning. Rushing the passer, passing the ball, and defending the pass are the new school way. The pick will be DE, DT with rush capabilities or Athletic OLB that can defend the pass. Think Sean Witherspoon.

guess what defense we played the majority of the super bowl......go ahead....i'll give you awhile to guess

let me give you a hint....it wasnt the 4-3

jeanpierre · 02-24-2010, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

guess what defense we played the majority of the super bowl......go ahead....i'll give you awhile to guess

let me give you a hint....it wasnt the 4-3

It was the "we-going-be-all-up-in-that-@$$-and-make-you-colts-our-personal-kid-hand-puppet-defense?!?"

CantonLegend · 02-24-2010, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

In a 4-3, the nose tackle isn't two-gapping. He's asked to shoot through the gap and penetrate the backfield. As a defensive tackle gets older, he loses the ability to run. In a 3-4, the nose tackle is more of a wrestler. Strength is more important than leg speed for a two-gapping nose tackle.
This is the reason that Cody will not be a Saint next year. I really don't know how else to explain this to you.

alright times up......in most 4-3 defenses they have smaller DTs that rush the passer because they rely so heavily on a 4 man rush by the down linemen.......however, the saints defense blitzed nearly 50% of all the snaps they were on the field this season. 2nd in the league in blitzes

many of our blitzes were picked up because our defensive linemen were not able to control more than 1 blocker at a time which is the sole assignment for a true NT. Cody demands more double teams than any other defensive lineman in college because of his size alone, not to mention his freakish agility for being so big.

It's a new NFL Canton. Stopping the run and running the ball are the old school way of winning.

for the most part you're right. but we play 6 games against teams in our own division. the same division that houses the 7th, 10th, and 14th best running backs in the league. now maybe stopping the run doesnt matter to the average fan because it doesnt score as effectively as passing, but teams that ran the ball controlled the pace against us

look at teams like the rams, panthers, falcons, dolphins, and cowboys

running may not win games like it used to, but it sure as hell keeps our offense off the field

Rushing the passer, passing the ball, and defending the pass are the new school way. The pick will be DE, DT with rush capabilities or Athletic OLB that can defend the pass. Think Sean Witherspoon.

an OLB? to start over who? fujita? shanle? arnoux? dunbar? evans?

which LB are we going to replace? and why would we want to replace starters like fujita or shanle when we have bigger issues like NT and DE

jeanpierre · 02-24-2010, 11:27 PM

Look, you eval the best player available...

We've a great coach and coaching staff that unlike the Mora Years, they will devise the best scheme around the talent we have...

And not lament that we don't have a two-gap defensive end that can provide pass coverage and kick extra points...

But we've got to draft talent that loves the game (i.e. Hughes)...

That's all I am saying, my brothers...

CantonLegend · 02-24-2010, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Look, you eval the best player available...

We've a great coach and coaching staff that unlike the Mora Years, they will devise the best scheme around the talent we have...

And not lament that we don't have a two-gap defensive end that can provide pass coverage and kick extra points...

But we've got to draft talent that loves the game (i.e. Hughes)...

That's all I am saying, my brothers...

as great as BPA sounds, it just isnt the case more often than not

teams draft based on need and they draft the best player available at a position that they need.....thats not drafting on BPA, thats drafting by need no matter how you swing it

im not against drafting a DE/OLB hybrid but that would mean we are still weak inside which is, IMO, our biggest weakness

id rather draft a pure DE and have him be able to play both 4-3 and 3-4 for us

there are a couple good DEs and DTs coming out this year and i hope we dont miss out on one of them

this is one of the best draft classes in years and it only helps that its strongest positions are the same positions that we need

BRSaintsFan · 02-25-2010, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

as great as BPA sounds, it just isnt the case more often than not

teams draft based on need and they draft the best player available at a position that they need.....thats not drafting on BPA, thats drafting by need no matter how you swing it

im not against drafting a DE/OLB hybrid but that would mean we are still weak inside which is, IMO, our biggest weakness

id rather draft a pure DE and have him be able to play both 4-3 and 3-4 for us

there are a couple good DEs and DTs coming out this year and i hope we dont miss out on one of them

this is one of the best draft classes in years and it only helps that its strongest positions are the same positions that we need

There is no such thing as a pure BPA draft method. If Jimmy Clausen falls to 32, no we should not taking him. But I think by BPA, you are looking, as you said, for the best player available than would be an upgrade. On the flip side, if Dez Bryant magically falls to 32, do you draft him? I say hell yeah. Do we need another receiever? No, but the value of that player at the spot we draft is too great not to take him and he would be an upgrade. I think this is how the Saints will approach the draft. They will be thinking defensive front 7, but if someone falls and even though the player is not at a "need" position, would be an upgrade, then they draft him.

Im a little confused when you say pure DE. I see the D line divided into a few groups: conventional 4-3 end, conventional 4-3 DTs, 3-4 rush LBs, 3-4 ends, and NT. Everson Griffen would be someone I consider a conventional 4-3 end. Brian Price a conventional 4-3 tackle. Brandon Graham a 3-4 rush LB. Jared Odrick a 3-4 end. Terrence Cody a NT. I feel a Carlos Dunlap could play a 4-3 end or a 3-4 end. Suh and McCoy could play a 4-3 tackle or 3-4 end. Dan Williams as a 4-3 tackle or a 3-4 NT. Can someone explain to me the differences between a 3 technique tackle, 2 gap tackle, 4-3 under tackle? This is where I get lost.

BRSaintsFan · 02-25-2010, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan

There is no such thing as a pure BPA draft method. If Jimmy Clausen falls to 32, no we should not taking him. But I think by BPA, you are looking, as you said, for the best player available than would be an upgrade. On the flip side, if Dez Bryant magically falls to 32, do you draft him? I say hell yeah. Do we need another receiever? No, but the value of that player at the spot we draft is too great not to take him and he would be an upgrade. I think this is how the Saints will approach the draft. They will be thinking defensive front 7, but if someone falls and even though the player is not at a "need" position, would be an upgrade, then they draft him.

Im a little confused when you say pure DE. I see the D line divided into a few groups: conventional 4-3 end, conventional 4-3 DTs, 3-4 rush LBs, 3-4 ends, and NT. Everson Griffen would be someone I consider a conventional 4-3 end. Brian Price a conventional 4-3 tackle. Brandon Graham a 3-4 rush LB. Jared Odrick a 3-4 end. Terrence Cody a NT. I feel a Carlos Dunlap could play a 4-3 end or a 3-4 end. Suh and McCoy could play a 4-3 tackle or 3-4 end. Dan Williams as a 4-3 tackle or a 3-4 NT. Can someone explain to me the differences between a 3 technique tackle, 2 gap tackle, 4-3 under tackle? This is where I get lost.

My perspective in picking at 32 is that you are not likely to get an every down starter as a rookie. You are going to get a situational player who may down the line develop into an every down starter. Now certainly the Saints have done a fantastic job of scouting recently, but I would be content with Cody drafted to shore up the run defense with Hargrove mixing in and playing all of the passing situation downs. I do see Cody as being able to thrive more and play a more prominent role in a 3-4 defense, but again, I go back to my last post where I dont really understand the difference between a 3 technique tackle, 2 gap tackle, and 4-3 under tackle.

stockman311 · 02-25-2010, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan

My perspective in picking at 32 is that you are not likely to get an every down starter as a rookie. You are going to get a situational player who may down the line develop into an every down starter. Now certainly the Saints have done a fantastic job of scouting recently, but I would be content with Cody drafted to shore up the run defense with Hargrove mixing in and playing all of the passing situation downs. I do see Cody as being able to thrive more and play a more prominent role in a 3-4 defense, but again, I go back to my last post where I dont really understand the difference between a 3 technique tackle, 2 gap tackle, and 4-3 under tackle.

Completely false. We drafted Darren Howard at spot 33 I believe. He was an immediate starter. Drafted Colston in round 7 and he was an immediate starter. The round or spot a player is drafted has little to no bearing on if he will start and turn into a star. In fact, the numbers have been run and it just so happens that second rounders play longer and at a higher level historically than do first rounders.

As to the previous post, if hypothetically the Saints drafted Dez Bryant at 32 before attempting to trade down with a team in the top of round 2 first, I would consider it a wasted pick as we are loaded at WR.

The truth is teams have various needs, so when they say BPA they really mean BPA at one of the various needs the team has. Our needs are clearly DE, DT, at OLB, S or CB if sharper leaves depending on what the team does with Jenkins.

CantonLegend · 02-26-2010, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan

There is no such thing as a pure BPA draft method. If Jimmy Clausen falls to 32, no we should not taking him. But I think by BPA, you are looking, as you said, for the best player available than would be an upgrade.

that is, IMO, the reason why BPA is a myth. if you pick a player that can fill any kind of need then it is not picking on BPA, it is pickin on need....its great to have a player be not only the BPA but also a player you need because it solves both problems. but there is no reason for us to pick a QB with our first round pick this year when we have bigger issues

On the flip side, if Dez Bryant magically falls to 32, do you draft him? I say hell yeah. Do we need another receiever? No, but the value of that player at the spot we draft is too great not to take him and he would be an upgrade.

i see WR as a possible draft pick this year.....i wouldnt be surprised to see us take a WR at all because of how stagnant our offense got later into the season. courtney roby is great but he plays 1 position and it would be nice to get a player that could possibly play WR and return kicks like a percy harvin. i set my eyes on mardy gilyard from cincy but i doubt we go after him

Can someone explain to me the differences between a 3 technique tackle, 2 gap tackle, 4-3 under tackle? This is where I get lost.

this is confusing. a 3 tech is where the defensive lineman lines up. its to the outside shoulder of the offensive guard.

a 2 gap tackle is a tackle that is required to play more than 1 gap, like a nose tackle who lines up straight acrossed from the center and is responsible for both gaps on either side of him. people often consider this to be a 3-4 DTs duty but it is also the responsibility of the NT in a 4-3 defense as well because they are sometimes lined up head up on the center. sometimes they line up to the outside shoulder of the center and they are only responsible for that gap(also known as a penetrating DT because they only have to penetrate 1 gap)

a 4-3 under tackle? im not exactly sure what you mean by that. in a 4-3 there are 2 DTs. 1 is lined up at the nose guard position and the other is lined up at the 3 technique

BRSaintsFan · 02-26-2010, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

that is, IMO, the reason why BPA is a myth. if you pick a player that can fill any kind of need then it is not picking on BPA, it is pickin on need....its great to have a player be not only the BPA but also a player you need because it solves both problems. but there is no reason for us to pick a QB with our first round pick this year when we have bigger issues

Whether we call it BPA or not. Call it value drafting. Whatever method that yielded the Vikings Adrian Peterson and the Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald. Thats the method I like the Saints using in this draft. No reaching to fill a need. If there is a top 10 or top 15 non QB talent that falls to 32 at whatever position whether its a need or not, then you draft that player. If no one falls, then draft for one of your "needs". I still contend that at 32 your expectation of the player you are drafting is not to come in and start right away and make a dynamic impact.

Thanks for the explanations of the DTs. So would a fair assessment of Sedrick Ellis be that he is versatile enough to play either role?

02-24-2010, 06:30 PM	#1
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by stockman311 In a 4-3, the nose tackle isn't two-gapping. He's asked to shoot through the gap and penetrate the backfield. As a defensive tackle gets older, he loses the ability to run. In a 3-4, the nose tackle is more of a wrestler. Strength is more important than leg speed for a two-gapping nose tackle. This is the reason that Cody will not be a Saint next year. I really don't know how else to explain this to you. Also, Saints opponents are always playing from behind because our offense is so good. Therefore, we need DT's that can rush the passer, which Cody cannot do. It's a new NFL Canton. Stopping the run and running the ball are the old school way of winning. Rushing the passer, passing the ball, and defending the pass are the new school way. The pick will be DE, DT with rush capabilities or Athletic OLB that can defend the pass. Think Sean Witherspoon. guess what defense we played the majority of the super bowl......go ahead....i'll give you awhile to guess let me give you a hint....it wasnt the 4-3

02-24-2010, 06:36 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by CantonLegend guess what defense we played the majority of the super bowl......go ahead....i'll give you awhile to guess let me give you a hint....it wasnt the 4-3 It was the "we-going-be-all-up-in-that-@$$-and-make-you-colts-our-personal-kid-hand-puppet-defense?!?"

02-24-2010, 07:11 PM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by stockman311 In a 4-3, the nose tackle isn't two-gapping. He's asked to shoot through the gap and penetrate the backfield. As a defensive tackle gets older, he loses the ability to run. In a 3-4, the nose tackle is more of a wrestler. Strength is more important than leg speed for a two-gapping nose tackle. This is the reason that Cody will not be a Saint next year. I really don't know how else to explain this to you. alright times up......in most 4-3 defenses they have smaller DTs that rush the passer because they rely so heavily on a 4 man rush by the down linemen.......however, the saints defense blitzed nearly 50% of all the snaps they were on the field this season. 2nd in the league in blitzes many of our blitzes were picked up because our defensive linemen were not able to control more than 1 blocker at a time which is the sole assignment for a true NT. Cody demands more double teams than any other defensive lineman in college because of his size alone, not to mention his freakish agility for being so big. It's a new NFL Canton. Stopping the run and running the ball are the old school way of winning. for the most part you're right. but we play 6 games against teams in our own division. the same division that houses the 7th, 10th, and 14th best running backs in the league. now maybe stopping the run doesnt matter to the average fan because it doesnt score as effectively as passing, but teams that ran the ball controlled the pace against us look at teams like the rams, panthers, falcons, dolphins, and cowboys running may not win games like it used to, but it sure as hell keeps our offense off the field Rushing the passer, passing the ball, and defending the pass are the new school way. The pick will be DE, DT with rush capabilities or Athletic OLB that can defend the pass. Think Sean Witherspoon. an OLB? to start over who? fujita? shanle? arnoux? dunbar? evans? which LB are we going to replace? and why would we want to replace starters like fujita or shanle when we have bigger issues like NT and DE
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

02-24-2010, 11:27 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Look, you eval the best player available... We've a great coach and coaching staff that unlike the Mora Years, they will devise the best scheme around the talent we have... And not lament that we don't have a two-gap defensive end that can provide pass coverage and kick extra points... But we've got to draft talent that loves the game (i.e. Hughes)... That's all I am saying, my brothers...

02-24-2010, 11:35 PM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre Look, you eval the best player available... We've a great coach and coaching staff that unlike the Mora Years, they will devise the best scheme around the talent we have... And not lament that we don't have a two-gap defensive end that can provide pass coverage and kick extra points... But we've got to draft talent that loves the game (i.e. Hughes)... That's all I am saying, my brothers... as great as BPA sounds, it just isnt the case more often than not teams draft based on need and they draft the best player available at a position that they need.....thats not drafting on BPA, thats drafting by need no matter how you swing it im not against drafting a DE/OLB hybrid but that would mean we are still weak inside which is, IMO, our biggest weakness id rather draft a pure DE and have him be able to play both 4-3 and 3-4 for us there are a couple good DEs and DTs coming out this year and i hope we dont miss out on one of them this is one of the best draft classes in years and it only helps that its strongest positions are the same positions that we need
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

02-25-2010, 02:12 PM	#6
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by CantonLegend as great as BPA sounds, it just isnt the case more often than not teams draft based on need and they draft the best player available at a position that they need.....thats not drafting on BPA, thats drafting by need no matter how you swing it im not against drafting a DE/OLB hybrid but that would mean we are still weak inside which is, IMO, our biggest weakness id rather draft a pure DE and have him be able to play both 4-3 and 3-4 for us there are a couple good DEs and DTs coming out this year and i hope we dont miss out on one of them this is one of the best draft classes in years and it only helps that its strongest positions are the same positions that we need There is no such thing as a pure BPA draft method. If Jimmy Clausen falls to 32, no we should not taking him. But I think by BPA, you are looking, as you said, for the best player available than would be an upgrade. On the flip side, if Dez Bryant magically falls to 32, do you draft him? I say hell yeah. Do we need another receiever? No, but the value of that player at the spot we draft is too great not to take him and he would be an upgrade. I think this is how the Saints will approach the draft. They will be thinking defensive front 7, but if someone falls and even though the player is not at a "need" position, would be an upgrade, then they draft him. Im a little confused when you say pure DE. I see the D line divided into a few groups: conventional 4-3 end, conventional 4-3 DTs, 3-4 rush LBs, 3-4 ends, and NT. Everson Griffen would be someone I consider a conventional 4-3 end. Brian Price a conventional 4-3 tackle. Brandon Graham a 3-4 rush LB. Jared Odrick a 3-4 end. Terrence Cody a NT. I feel a Carlos Dunlap could play a 4-3 end or a 3-4 end. Suh and McCoy could play a 4-3 tackle or 3-4 end. Dan Williams as a 4-3 tackle or a 3-4 NT. Can someone explain to me the differences between a 3 technique tackle, 2 gap tackle, 4-3 under tackle? This is where I get lost.

02-25-2010, 02:15 PM	#7
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan There is no such thing as a pure BPA draft method. If Jimmy Clausen falls to 32, no we should not taking him. But I think by BPA, you are looking, as you said, for the best player available than would be an upgrade. On the flip side, if Dez Bryant magically falls to 32, do you draft him? I say hell yeah. Do we need another receiever? No, but the value of that player at the spot we draft is too great not to take him and he would be an upgrade. I think this is how the Saints will approach the draft. They will be thinking defensive front 7, but if someone falls and even though the player is not at a "need" position, would be an upgrade, then they draft him. Im a little confused when you say pure DE. I see the D line divided into a few groups: conventional 4-3 end, conventional 4-3 DTs, 3-4 rush LBs, 3-4 ends, and NT. Everson Griffen would be someone I consider a conventional 4-3 end. Brian Price a conventional 4-3 tackle. Brandon Graham a 3-4 rush LB. Jared Odrick a 3-4 end. Terrence Cody a NT. I feel a Carlos Dunlap could play a 4-3 end or a 3-4 end. Suh and McCoy could play a 4-3 tackle or 3-4 end. Dan Williams as a 4-3 tackle or a 3-4 NT. Can someone explain to me the differences between a 3 technique tackle, 2 gap tackle, 4-3 under tackle? This is where I get lost. My perspective in picking at 32 is that you are not likely to get an every down starter as a rookie. You are going to get a situational player who may down the line develop into an every down starter. Now certainly the Saints have done a fantastic job of scouting recently, but I would be content with Cody drafted to shore up the run defense with Hargrove mixing in and playing all of the passing situation downs. I do see Cody as being able to thrive more and play a more prominent role in a 3-4 defense, but again, I go back to my last post where I dont really understand the difference between a 3 technique tackle, 2 gap tackle, and 4-3 under tackle.

02-25-2010, 02:23 PM	#8
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan My perspective in picking at 32 is that you are not likely to get an every down starter as a rookie. You are going to get a situational player who may down the line develop into an every down starter. Now certainly the Saints have done a fantastic job of scouting recently, but I would be content with Cody drafted to shore up the run defense with Hargrove mixing in and playing all of the passing situation downs. I do see Cody as being able to thrive more and play a more prominent role in a 3-4 defense, but again, I go back to my last post where I dont really understand the difference between a 3 technique tackle, 2 gap tackle, and 4-3 under tackle. Completely false. We drafted Darren Howard at spot 33 I believe. He was an immediate starter. Drafted Colston in round 7 and he was an immediate starter. The round or spot a player is drafted has little to no bearing on if he will start and turn into a star. In fact, the numbers have been run and it just so happens that second rounders play longer and at a higher level historically than do first rounders. As to the previous post, if hypothetically the Saints drafted Dez Bryant at 32 before attempting to trade down with a team in the top of round 2 first, I would consider it a wasted pick as we are loaded at WR. The truth is teams have various needs, so when they say BPA they really mean BPA at one of the various needs the team has. Our needs are clearly DE, DT, at OLB, S or CB if sharper leaves depending on what the team does with Jenkins.

02-26-2010, 01:04 AM	#9
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan There is no such thing as a pure BPA draft method. If Jimmy Clausen falls to 32, no we should not taking him. But I think by BPA, you are looking, as you said, for the best player available than would be an upgrade. that is, IMO, the reason why BPA is a myth. if you pick a player that can fill any kind of need then it is not picking on BPA, it is pickin on need....its great to have a player be not only the BPA but also a player you need because it solves both problems. but there is no reason for us to pick a QB with our first round pick this year when we have bigger issues On the flip side, if Dez Bryant magically falls to 32, do you draft him? I say hell yeah. Do we need another receiever? No, but the value of that player at the spot we draft is too great not to take him and he would be an upgrade. i see WR as a possible draft pick this year.....i wouldnt be surprised to see us take a WR at all because of how stagnant our offense got later into the season. courtney roby is great but he plays 1 position and it would be nice to get a player that could possibly play WR and return kicks like a percy harvin. i set my eyes on mardy gilyard from cincy but i doubt we go after him Can someone explain to me the differences between a 3 technique tackle, 2 gap tackle, 4-3 under tackle? This is where I get lost. this is confusing. a 3 tech is where the defensive lineman lines up. its to the outside shoulder of the offensive guard. a 2 gap tackle is a tackle that is required to play more than 1 gap, like a nose tackle who lines up straight acrossed from the center and is responsible for both gaps on either side of him. people often consider this to be a 3-4 DTs duty but it is also the responsibility of the NT in a 4-3 defense as well because they are sometimes lined up head up on the center. sometimes they line up to the outside shoulder of the center and they are only responsible for that gap(also known as a penetrating DT because they only have to penetrate 1 gap) a 4-3 under tackle? im not exactly sure what you mean by that. in a 4-3 there are 2 DTs. 1 is lined up at the nose guard position and the other is lined up at the 3 technique
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

02-26-2010, 10:51 AM	#10
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by CantonLegend that is, IMO, the reason why BPA is a myth. if you pick a player that can fill any kind of need then it is not picking on BPA, it is pickin on need....its great to have a player be not only the BPA but also a player you need because it solves both problems. but there is no reason for us to pick a QB with our first round pick this year when we have bigger issues Whether we call it BPA or not. Call it value drafting. Whatever method that yielded the Vikings Adrian Peterson and the Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald. Thats the method I like the Saints using in this draft. No reaching to fill a need. If there is a top 10 or top 15 non QB talent that falls to 32 at whatever position whether its a need or not, then you draft that player. If no one falls, then draft for one of your "needs". I still contend that at 32 your expectation of the player you are drafting is not to come in and start right away and make a dynamic impact. Thanks for the explanations of the DTs. So would a fair assessment of Sedrick Ellis be that he is versatile enough to play either role?

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