2010 NFL Draft

SmashMouth · 02-22-2010, 09:46 PM

Odrick in the first and Chad Jones in the second wouldn't be bad!

jeanpierre · 02-24-2010, 08:24 AM

I am looking forward to seeing Hughes at the combine...

stockman311 · 02-24-2010, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

1 story coming out of college ruins a guys draft status and "experts" look at it as laziness or immaturity

vontae davis started for the dolphins this season.....but most of the fans on this board didnt want him because he acted out or some other bs they came up with

cody is a talented player......he proved it in his college career and he proved it at the senior bowl even tho he was 15-20 lbs overweight

when he shows up at the combine and realizes that he cant play like that do you really think he is going to be that 15-20 lbs overweight?

i wouldnt be surprised if he is a little under 250 when he shows up at the combine......when you lose money, even if it is theoretical, you either crawl in a hole or work it out.......cody is a baller and he'll show up to play

If he shows up at 250 Lbs that would be quite the surprise.

Nevertheless, I don't want a player on my team that is motivated entirely by the money to drop weight. So what happens when he gets the money in his pocket like Tub Ass Sullivan. He has no more incentive to stay in shape. No thanks. Vonte Davis had character issues, not weight issues. With a veteran team like the Saints I will take a flyer on a player with exceptional skills and MINOR character issues over a player who has shown he can't keep his weight under 360 LBS. Those players don't last in this league.

CantonLegend · 02-24-2010, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

If he shows up at 250 Lbs that would be quite the surprise.

Nevertheless, I don't want a player on my team that is motivated entirely by the money to drop weight. So what happens when he gets the money in his pocket like Tub Ass Sullivan. He has no more incentive to stay in shape. No thanks. Vonte Davis had character issues, not weight issues. With a veteran team like the Saints I will take a flyer on a player with exceptional skills and MINOR character issues over a player who has shown he can't keep his weight under 360 LBS. Those players don't last in this league.

he wasnt motivated by money in college but he dominated in every game he played

every player has a downside or something negative about them but its about looking at the upside

cody played hard and well in college and he was considered overweight by many people......but maybe he is just a giant person......people are slowly getting taller and heavier and cody might just be the jim brown of the era.

im not sure where you get the idea that he cant keep his weight under 360......he didnt play at 360 in college......only at the senior bowl did he show up out of shape because the season was over....and he still played well

football players get motivated by playing the game, not getting the paycheck.....my point was that after he realizes his job is to play football and be good at football he will continue to strive for success.

2 or 3 players in a 44 year history of a team is enough to prevent a team from picking a talented player that could dominate for his entire career? i dont think so

stockman311 · 02-24-2010, 05:33 PM

In a 4-3, the nose tackle isn't two-gapping. He's asked to shoot through the gap and penetrate the backfield. As a defensive tackle gets older, he loses the ability to run. In a 3-4, the nose tackle is more of a wrestler. Strength is more important than leg speed for a two-gapping nose tackle.
This is the reason that Cody will not be a Saint next year. I really don't know how else to explain this to you.
Also, Saints opponents are always playing from behind because our offense is so good. Therefore, we need DT's that can rush the passer, which Cody cannot do. It's a new NFL Canton. Stopping the run and running the ball are the old school way of winning. Rushing the passer, passing the ball, and defending the pass are the new school way. The pick will be DE, DT with rush capabilities or Athletic OLB that can defend the pass. Think Sean Witherspoon.

jeanpierre · 02-24-2010, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

The pick will be DE, DT with rush capabilities or Athletic OLB that can defend the pass.

If need determines the pick, then yes...

CantonLegend · 02-24-2010, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

In a 4-3, the nose tackle isn't two-gapping. He's asked to shoot through the gap and penetrate the backfield. As a defensive tackle gets older, he loses the ability to run. In a 3-4, the nose tackle is more of a wrestler. Strength is more important than leg speed for a two-gapping nose tackle.
This is the reason that Cody will not be a Saint next year. I really don't know how else to explain this to you.
Also, Saints opponents are always playing from behind because our offense is so good. Therefore, we need DT's that can rush the passer, which Cody cannot do. It's a new NFL Canton. Stopping the run and running the ball are the old school way of winning. Rushing the passer, passing the ball, and defending the pass are the new school way. The pick will be DE, DT with rush capabilities or Athletic OLB that can defend the pass. Think Sean Witherspoon.

guess what defense we played the majority of the super bowl......go ahead....i'll give you awhile to guess

let me give you a hint....it wasnt the 4-3

jeanpierre · 02-24-2010, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

guess what defense we played the majority of the super bowl......go ahead....i'll give you awhile to guess

let me give you a hint....it wasnt the 4-3

It was the "we-going-be-all-up-in-that-@$$-and-make-you-colts-our-personal-kid-hand-puppet-defense?!?"

CantonLegend · 02-24-2010, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

In a 4-3, the nose tackle isn't two-gapping. He's asked to shoot through the gap and penetrate the backfield. As a defensive tackle gets older, he loses the ability to run. In a 3-4, the nose tackle is more of a wrestler. Strength is more important than leg speed for a two-gapping nose tackle.
This is the reason that Cody will not be a Saint next year. I really don't know how else to explain this to you.

alright times up......in most 4-3 defenses they have smaller DTs that rush the passer because they rely so heavily on a 4 man rush by the down linemen.......however, the saints defense blitzed nearly 50% of all the snaps they were on the field this season. 2nd in the league in blitzes

many of our blitzes were picked up because our defensive linemen were not able to control more than 1 blocker at a time which is the sole assignment for a true NT. Cody demands more double teams than any other defensive lineman in college because of his size alone, not to mention his freakish agility for being so big.

It's a new NFL Canton. Stopping the run and running the ball are the old school way of winning.

for the most part you're right. but we play 6 games against teams in our own division. the same division that houses the 7th, 10th, and 14th best running backs in the league. now maybe stopping the run doesnt matter to the average fan because it doesnt score as effectively as passing, but teams that ran the ball controlled the pace against us

look at teams like the rams, panthers, falcons, dolphins, and cowboys

running may not win games like it used to, but it sure as hell keeps our offense off the field

Rushing the passer, passing the ball, and defending the pass are the new school way. The pick will be DE, DT with rush capabilities or Athletic OLB that can defend the pass. Think Sean Witherspoon.

an OLB? to start over who? fujita? shanle? arnoux? dunbar? evans?

which LB are we going to replace? and why would we want to replace starters like fujita or shanle when we have bigger issues like NT and DE

jeanpierre · 02-25-2010, 12:27 AM

Look, you eval the best player available...

We've a great coach and coaching staff that unlike the Mora Years, they will devise the best scheme around the talent we have...

And not lament that we don't have a two-gap defensive end that can provide pass coverage and kick extra points...

But we've got to draft talent that loves the game (i.e. Hughes)...

That's all I am saying, my brothers...

02-22-2010, 09:46 PM	#81
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Odrick in the first and Chad Jones in the second wouldn't be bad!

02-24-2010, 08:24 AM	#82
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2010 NFL Draft I am looking forward to seeing Hughes at the combine...

02-24-2010, 11:00 AM	#83
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by CantonLegend 1 story coming out of college ruins a guys draft status and "experts" look at it as laziness or immaturity vontae davis started for the dolphins this season.....but most of the fans on this board didnt want him because he acted out or some other bs they came up with cody is a talented player......he proved it in his college career and he proved it at the senior bowl even tho he was 15-20 lbs overweight when he shows up at the combine and realizes that he cant play like that do you really think he is going to be that 15-20 lbs overweight? i wouldnt be surprised if he is a little under 250 when he shows up at the combine......when you lose money, even if it is theoretical, you either crawl in a hole or work it out.......cody is a baller and he'll show up to play If he shows up at 250 Lbs that would be quite the surprise. Nevertheless, I don't want a player on my team that is motivated entirely by the money to drop weight. So what happens when he gets the money in his pocket like Tub Ass Sullivan. He has no more incentive to stay in shape. No thanks. Vonte Davis had character issues, not weight issues. With a veteran team like the Saints I will take a flyer on a player with exceptional skills and MINOR character issues over a player who has shown he can't keep his weight under 360 LBS. Those players don't last in this league.
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02-24-2010, 01:06 PM	#84
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by stockman311 If he shows up at 250 Lbs that would be quite the surprise. Nevertheless, I don't want a player on my team that is motivated entirely by the money to drop weight. So what happens when he gets the money in his pocket like Tub Ass Sullivan. He has no more incentive to stay in shape. No thanks. Vonte Davis had character issues, not weight issues. With a veteran team like the Saints I will take a flyer on a player with exceptional skills and MINOR character issues over a player who has shown he can't keep his weight under 360 LBS. Those players don't last in this league. he wasnt motivated by money in college but he dominated in every game he played every player has a downside or something negative about them but its about looking at the upside cody played hard and well in college and he was considered overweight by many people......but maybe he is just a giant person......people are slowly getting taller and heavier and cody might just be the jim brown of the era. im not sure where you get the idea that he cant keep his weight under 360......he didnt play at 360 in college......only at the senior bowl did he show up out of shape because the season was over....and he still played well football players get motivated by playing the game, not getting the paycheck.....my point was that after he realizes his job is to play football and be good at football he will continue to strive for success. 2 or 3 players in a 44 year history of a team is enough to prevent a team from picking a talented player that could dominate for his entire career? i dont think so
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

02-24-2010, 05:33 PM	#85
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: 2010 NFL Draft In a 4-3, the nose tackle isn't two-gapping. He's asked to shoot through the gap and penetrate the backfield. As a defensive tackle gets older, he loses the ability to run. In a 3-4, the nose tackle is more of a wrestler. Strength is more important than leg speed for a two-gapping nose tackle. This is the reason that Cody will not be a Saint next year. I really don't know how else to explain this to you. Also, Saints opponents are always playing from behind because our offense is so good. Therefore, we need DT's that can rush the passer, which Cody cannot do. It's a new NFL Canton. Stopping the run and running the ball are the old school way of winning. Rushing the passer, passing the ball, and defending the pass are the new school way. The pick will be DE, DT with rush capabilities or Athletic OLB that can defend the pass. Think Sean Witherspoon.
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02-24-2010, 07:02 PM	#86
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by stockman311 The pick will be DE, DT with rush capabilities or Athletic OLB that can defend the pass. If need determines the pick, then yes...

02-24-2010, 07:30 PM	#87
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by stockman311 In a 4-3, the nose tackle isn't two-gapping. He's asked to shoot through the gap and penetrate the backfield. As a defensive tackle gets older, he loses the ability to run. In a 3-4, the nose tackle is more of a wrestler. Strength is more important than leg speed for a two-gapping nose tackle. This is the reason that Cody will not be a Saint next year. I really don't know how else to explain this to you. Also, Saints opponents are always playing from behind because our offense is so good. Therefore, we need DT's that can rush the passer, which Cody cannot do. It's a new NFL Canton. Stopping the run and running the ball are the old school way of winning. Rushing the passer, passing the ball, and defending the pass are the new school way. The pick will be DE, DT with rush capabilities or Athletic OLB that can defend the pass. Think Sean Witherspoon. guess what defense we played the majority of the super bowl......go ahead....i'll give you awhile to guess let me give you a hint....it wasnt the 4-3

02-24-2010, 07:36 PM	#88
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by CantonLegend guess what defense we played the majority of the super bowl......go ahead....i'll give you awhile to guess let me give you a hint....it wasnt the 4-3 It was the "we-going-be-all-up-in-that-@$$-and-make-you-colts-our-personal-kid-hand-puppet-defense?!?"

02-24-2010, 08:11 PM	#89
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by stockman311 In a 4-3, the nose tackle isn't two-gapping. He's asked to shoot through the gap and penetrate the backfield. As a defensive tackle gets older, he loses the ability to run. In a 3-4, the nose tackle is more of a wrestler. Strength is more important than leg speed for a two-gapping nose tackle. This is the reason that Cody will not be a Saint next year. I really don't know how else to explain this to you. alright times up......in most 4-3 defenses they have smaller DTs that rush the passer because they rely so heavily on a 4 man rush by the down linemen.......however, the saints defense blitzed nearly 50% of all the snaps they were on the field this season. 2nd in the league in blitzes many of our blitzes were picked up because our defensive linemen were not able to control more than 1 blocker at a time which is the sole assignment for a true NT. Cody demands more double teams than any other defensive lineman in college because of his size alone, not to mention his freakish agility for being so big. It's a new NFL Canton. Stopping the run and running the ball are the old school way of winning. for the most part you're right. but we play 6 games against teams in our own division. the same division that houses the 7th, 10th, and 14th best running backs in the league. now maybe stopping the run doesnt matter to the average fan because it doesnt score as effectively as passing, but teams that ran the ball controlled the pace against us look at teams like the rams, panthers, falcons, dolphins, and cowboys running may not win games like it used to, but it sure as hell keeps our offense off the field Rushing the passer, passing the ball, and defending the pass are the new school way. The pick will be DE, DT with rush capabilities or Athletic OLB that can defend the pass. Think Sean Witherspoon. an OLB? to start over who? fujita? shanle? arnoux? dunbar? evans? which LB are we going to replace? and why would we want to replace starters like fujita or shanle when we have bigger issues like NT and DE
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

02-25-2010, 12:27 AM	#90
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Look, you eval the best player available... We've a great coach and coaching staff that unlike the Mora Years, they will devise the best scheme around the talent we have... And not lament that we don't have a two-gap defensive end that can provide pass coverage and kick extra points... But we've got to draft talent that loves the game (i.e. Hughes)... That's all I am saying, my brothers...

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