2010 NFL Draft

jeanpierre · 02-25-2010, 09:59 PM

I still say you take the best player available...

SmashMouth · 02-25-2010, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

im not here to predict who we will pick....merely give reasons for who i want us to pick

i have no problem picking a DT because that is truely our biggest weakness

but every reason you have given for why you think we wont take cody doesnt matter......you think hes lazy and cant rush the passer which tells me you didnt watch him this year and only saw bits of the coverage on the senior bowl

if we do pick cody will you be the first one to post a crow thread and say i was right?

Well .. since we are tendering at least 13 players, it is possible we could end up with 13 2nd round picks. What's the record, btw, for the most 2nd round picks by one team?

CantonLegend · 02-26-2010, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan

There is no such thing as a pure BPA draft method. If Jimmy Clausen falls to 32, no we should not taking him. But I think by BPA, you are looking, as you said, for the best player available than would be an upgrade.

that is, IMO, the reason why BPA is a myth. if you pick a player that can fill any kind of need then it is not picking on BPA, it is pickin on need....its great to have a player be not only the BPA but also a player you need because it solves both problems. but there is no reason for us to pick a QB with our first round pick this year when we have bigger issues

On the flip side, if Dez Bryant magically falls to 32, do you draft him? I say hell yeah. Do we need another receiever? No, but the value of that player at the spot we draft is too great not to take him and he would be an upgrade.

i see WR as a possible draft pick this year.....i wouldnt be surprised to see us take a WR at all because of how stagnant our offense got later into the season. courtney roby is great but he plays 1 position and it would be nice to get a player that could possibly play WR and return kicks like a percy harvin. i set my eyes on mardy gilyard from cincy but i doubt we go after him

Can someone explain to me the differences between a 3 technique tackle, 2 gap tackle, 4-3 under tackle? This is where I get lost.

this is confusing. a 3 tech is where the defensive lineman lines up. its to the outside shoulder of the offensive guard.

a 2 gap tackle is a tackle that is required to play more than 1 gap, like a nose tackle who lines up straight acrossed from the center and is responsible for both gaps on either side of him. people often consider this to be a 3-4 DTs duty but it is also the responsibility of the NT in a 4-3 defense as well because they are sometimes lined up head up on the center. sometimes they line up to the outside shoulder of the center and they are only responsible for that gap(also known as a penetrating DT because they only have to penetrate 1 gap)

a 4-3 under tackle? im not exactly sure what you mean by that. in a 4-3 there are 2 DTs. 1 is lined up at the nose guard position and the other is lined up at the 3 technique

hagan714 · 02-26-2010, 02:16 AM

http://blackandgold.com/blogs/hagan7...ive-draft.html

Round 1

Sergio Kindle, Texas, SLB/DE, 6-4, 254, 4.54

CantonLegend · 02-26-2010, 02:18 AM

just heard on ESPN by adam schefter that terrance cody is down to about 355 lbs

heard he is still losing weight and is still going down. should be 350 by the time he weighs in for the combine according to adam schefter

CantonLegend · 02-26-2010, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

http://blackandgold.com/blogs/hagan7...ive-draft.html

Round 1

Sergio Kindle, Texas, SLB/DE, 6-4, 254, 4.54

worried about the DE transition to a true SLB

hes a fast man and hes huge......kinda like a jason taylor

but could he play pure LB? the combine may shed some light on that

hagan714 · 02-26-2010, 02:23 AM

read it. He was a monster in 2008 at OLB. The switch in 2009 to DE killed his stats. Tell you this, Stand this kid up and watch him tear offenses apart.

CantonLegend · 02-26-2010, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

read it. He was a monster in 2008 at OLB. The switch in 2009 to DE killed his stats. Tell you this, Stand this kid up and watch him tear offenses apart.

"In other words he is a little slow reading and reacting"

this isnt something you can have from a strong side LB.....the strong side has to be the quickest to the ball because they are the ones that break up the play.......the weakside can be a little slower to the ball and use their speed and strength to make up for it like you have in your analysis

idk much about this kid and if we continue to run the 3-4 it would be nice to have a player that really fits well in that defense......maybe he could be it?

hagan714 · 02-26-2010, 02:34 AM

as for the under DT in a 43 he is a NT in a pure definition. He must require two blockers in order to free up the 43 DT or three tech. DT(Ellis). This allows the 3 tech DT more one one match ups. The 3 tech DT is quicker and faster of the two. The NT (Clancy) is more of you run stopper that clogs the interior of the OL. Our stats against the run this year shows how important Clancy was to the DL.

hagan714 · 02-26-2010, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

"In other words he is a little slow reading and reacting"

this isnt something you can have from a strong side LB.....the strong side has to be the quickest to the ball because they are the ones that break up the play.......the weakside can be a little slower to the ball and use their speed and strength to make up for it like you have in your analysis

idk much about this kid and if we continue to run the 3-4 it would be nice to have a player that really fits well in that defense......maybe he could be it?

No I am say he needs free space to work. In the line he was not that good. Stand him up were he can see the play better is best. He is an OLB that was tried at DE because he is tough. Ok he can do it but it is a waist of his talent. let him run from sideline to sideline and collect heads along the way. Thats were he is best. At his size and speed he is an excellent match up against TE. Blitz him and he will eat up any RB assigned to block him. He is going to be a terror. Williams could do wonders with the kid and Scott is a great mentor for him.

02-25-2010, 09:59 PM	#101
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02-25-2010, 11:11 PM	#102
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,127 Blog Entries: 29	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by CantonLegend im not here to predict who we will pick....merely give reasons for who i want us to pick i have no problem picking a DT because that is truely our biggest weakness but every reason you have given for why you think we wont take cody doesnt matter......you think hes lazy and cant rush the passer which tells me you didnt watch him this year and only saw bits of the coverage on the senior bowl if we do pick cody will you be the first one to post a crow thread and say i was right? Well .. since we are tendering at least 13 players, it is possible we could end up with 13 2nd round picks. What's the record, btw, for the most 2nd round picks by one team?

02-26-2010, 02:04 AM	#103
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan There is no such thing as a pure BPA draft method. If Jimmy Clausen falls to 32, no we should not taking him. But I think by BPA, you are looking, as you said, for the best player available than would be an upgrade. that is, IMO, the reason why BPA is a myth. if you pick a player that can fill any kind of need then it is not picking on BPA, it is pickin on need....its great to have a player be not only the BPA but also a player you need because it solves both problems. but there is no reason for us to pick a QB with our first round pick this year when we have bigger issues On the flip side, if Dez Bryant magically falls to 32, do you draft him? I say hell yeah. Do we need another receiever? No, but the value of that player at the spot we draft is too great not to take him and he would be an upgrade. i see WR as a possible draft pick this year.....i wouldnt be surprised to see us take a WR at all because of how stagnant our offense got later into the season. courtney roby is great but he plays 1 position and it would be nice to get a player that could possibly play WR and return kicks like a percy harvin. i set my eyes on mardy gilyard from cincy but i doubt we go after him Can someone explain to me the differences between a 3 technique tackle, 2 gap tackle, 4-3 under tackle? This is where I get lost. this is confusing. a 3 tech is where the defensive lineman lines up. its to the outside shoulder of the offensive guard. a 2 gap tackle is a tackle that is required to play more than 1 gap, like a nose tackle who lines up straight acrossed from the center and is responsible for both gaps on either side of him. people often consider this to be a 3-4 DTs duty but it is also the responsibility of the NT in a 4-3 defense as well because they are sometimes lined up head up on the center. sometimes they line up to the outside shoulder of the center and they are only responsible for that gap(also known as a penetrating DT because they only have to penetrate 1 gap) a 4-3 under tackle? im not exactly sure what you mean by that. in a 4-3 there are 2 DTs. 1 is lined up at the nose guard position and the other is lined up at the 3 technique
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02-26-2010, 02:16 AM	#104
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2010 NFL Draft http://blackandgold.com/blogs/hagan7...ive-draft.html Round 1 Sergio Kindle, Texas, SLB/DE, 6-4, 254, 4.54

02-26-2010, 02:18 AM	#105
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft just heard on ESPN by adam schefter that terrance cody is down to about 355 lbs heard he is still losing weight and is still going down. should be 350 by the time he weighs in for the combine according to adam schefter

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02-26-2010, 02:20 AM	#106
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by hagan714 http://blackandgold.com/blogs/hagan7...ive-draft.html Round 1 Sergio Kindle, Texas, SLB/DE, 6-4, 254, 4.54 worried about the DE transition to a true SLB hes a fast man and hes huge......kinda like a jason taylor but could he play pure LB? the combine may shed some light on that

02-26-2010, 02:23 AM	#107
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2010 NFL Draft read it. He was a monster in 2008 at OLB. The switch in 2009 to DE killed his stats. Tell you this, Stand this kid up and watch him tear offenses apart.

02-26-2010, 02:31 AM	#108
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by hagan714 read it. He was a monster in 2008 at OLB. The switch in 2009 to DE killed his stats. Tell you this, Stand this kid up and watch him tear offenses apart. "In other words he is a little slow reading and reacting" this isnt something you can have from a strong side LB.....the strong side has to be the quickest to the ball because they are the ones that break up the play.......the weakside can be a little slower to the ball and use their speed and strength to make up for it like you have in your analysis idk much about this kid and if we continue to run the 3-4 it would be nice to have a player that really fits well in that defense......maybe he could be it?
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02-26-2010, 02:34 AM	#109
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2010 NFL Draft as for the under DT in a 43 he is a NT in a pure definition. He must require two blockers in order to free up the 43 DT or three tech. DT(Ellis). This allows the 3 tech DT more one one match ups. The 3 tech DT is quicker and faster of the two. The NT (Clancy) is more of you run stopper that clogs the interior of the OL. Our stats against the run this year shows how important Clancy was to the DL.

02-26-2010, 02:40 AM	#110
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by CantonLegend "In other words he is a little slow reading and reacting" this isnt something you can have from a strong side LB.....the strong side has to be the quickest to the ball because they are the ones that break up the play.......the weakside can be a little slower to the ball and use their speed and strength to make up for it like you have in your analysis idk much about this kid and if we continue to run the 3-4 it would be nice to have a player that really fits well in that defense......maybe he could be it? No I am say he needs free space to work. In the line he was not that good. Stand him up were he can see the play better is best. He is an OLB that was tried at DE because he is tough. Ok he can do it but it is a waist of his talent. let him run from sideline to sideline and collect heads along the way. Thats were he is best. At his size and speed he is an excellent match up against TE. Blitz him and he will eat up any RB assigned to block him. He is going to be a terror. Williams could do wonders with the kid and Scott is a great mentor for him.
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