2010 NFL Draft

CantonLegend · 02-26-2010, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by exile

First rounders since SP. USC (2), Tenn (1), OSU (1).

good stuff.....still wondering why you put tennessee in the mix tho lol

i guess we are going to pick everson griffen or taylor mays

i was looking at players all around ohio tho

there arent many OSU players worth looking at this season.....but cincy has 2 guys we may look at

not to mention sean payton always looks at kent state......if i was a betting man i would still bet OSU over USC but in the first round there is definitly a higher probability based on the past that we will pick a USC guy

even if it is only 2 to 1

CantonLegend · 02-26-2010, 02:18 PM

another guy to keep an eye on is geno atkins

very small for an NFL DT at only 6'1" 285 lbs

plays a lot like hargrove does.......a pass rush specialist but isnt tall enough to play DE

could play 3-tech and help rush the passer but isnt the help we need in rush defense

a mid round prospect to keep an eye on

exile · 02-26-2010, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

good stuff.....still wondering why you put tennessee in the mix tho lol

Meachem?

I would guess we let Grant walk and pick a DE first round though. I still like Dunlap but he isn't going to fall and Griffen probably won't either. JPP is my hopeful.

CantonLegend · 02-26-2010, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Meachem?

lol but why would you think that payton loves tennessee more than ohio if theres only been 2 picks out of tennessee in 4 years?

I would guess we let Grant walk and pick a DE first round though. I still like Dunlap but he isn't going to fall and Griffen probably won't either. JPP is my hopeful.

not big on griffen or dunlap but here is a little excerpt on carlos dunlap

11/14/09: Has major bouts with laziness and lethargy. Matt McGuire goes them into detail in his blog entry about why Carlos Dunlap is overrated.

Al Davis or another clueless general manager may take Dunlap in the first round, but there's a good chance that like Calais Campbell, he falls into Round 2.

WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft: Defensive End Rankings

of course this is only from 1 source but for all the flaming i take for wanting a talented DT with weight issues im surprised to hear someone want a player with even more of a work ethic issue

exile · 02-26-2010, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

lol but why would you think that payton loves tennessee more than ohio if theres only been 2 picks out of tennessee in 4 years?

Just to get you going.

I hope Dunlap does fall because if he hasn't worked hard in college he will be the greatest player in history when he decides to do so. Thanks for that link. Gives me hope he will fall.

I like Cody enough but I guess I'm gunshy from a guy named Sullivan.

stockman311 · 02-26-2010, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Just to get you going.

I hope Dunlap does fall because if he hasn't worked hard in college he will be the greatest player in history when he decides to do so. Thanks for that link. Gives me hope he will fall.

I like Cody enough but I guess I'm gunshy from a guy named Sullivan.

I don't care what they are saying about JaMarcus Russell. Sullivan may have been the worst pick in NFL history.

jeanpierre · 02-26-2010, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Well well well, our "weakest link" was tendered as a 1st rounder. Maybe he's not as bad as you think?

Danno bro, I would L-O-V-E to get a R1 pick for Harper...

I would be Farmer Fran ecstatic to get a R1 pick for Harper...

Only problem is...we get better value with our 4R and 7R picks?!?

I think it's just leverage for a trade of Harper...

jeanpierre · 02-26-2010, 07:37 PM

hey, exile; is that your sister?

Danno · 02-26-2010, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Danno bro, I would L-O-V-E to get a R1 pick for Harper...

I would be Farmer Fran ecstatic to get a R1 pick for Harper...

Only problem is...we get better value with our 4R and 7R picks?!?

I think it's just leverage for a trade of Harper...

I'd take a 1st too, but my point is he's a lot better than many thought. If he was truly the "weakest link", no way would any team give up a 1st rounder for him. Not even the Raiders are that stupid. Well thats debatable.

If he was truly the weak link we would bait other teams with a reasonable tender, like a 3rd rounder, or even a 2nd rounder.

If no one bites we pay him a lot of money for 1 year. You don't bait teams to sign a weak link with a 1st round tender. You typically do that because you want to keep him, or you want to encourage him to sign a long term contract.

In my opinion a 2nd round tender would have been best. If another team offers him an appropriate contract, we can match it or get a 2nd rounder in return.

The staff wants to keep him, and if they do lose him they're gonna get a 1st rounder for him.

jeanpierre · 02-26-2010, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

I don't care what they are saying about JaMarcus Russell. Sullivan may have been the worst pick in NFL history.

Shawn Knight is close; but two ones for the move to get Sullivan?!?

Haslett's move to get Sullivan reminded me of the adage "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

We traded for Sullivan; Cardinals got Calvin Pace and Bryant Johnson...D'oh

At #24, Indy took (gasp) Dallas Clark...

At #31, Raiders took (crying) Nnamdi Asomugha...

So by not trading, we could have had two of the following: Calvin Pace, Bryant Johnson, Dallas Clark, or Nnamdi Asomugha...

Further, even with the trade we could have picked one of the following: Jordan Gross, Kevin Williams (Williams DT Brothers fame), Terrell Suggs, Marcus Trufant, Ty Warren, and yes (cutting wrist) Troy Polamalu...

and he gave away La'roi Glover...

So we got rid of Glover, passed on some amazing talent, and selected Sullivan...

Haslett is the gift that keeps giving...

02-26-2010, 02:09 PM	#121
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by exile First rounders since SP. USC (2), Tenn (1), OSU (1). good stuff.....still wondering why you put tennessee in the mix tho lol i guess we are going to pick everson griffen or taylor mays i was looking at players all around ohio tho there arent many OSU players worth looking at this season.....but cincy has 2 guys we may look at not to mention sean payton always looks at kent state......if i was a betting man i would still bet OSU over USC but in the first round there is definitly a higher probability based on the past that we will pick a USC guy even if it is only 2 to 1
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02-26-2010, 02:18 PM	#122
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft another guy to keep an eye on is geno atkins very small for an NFL DT at only 6'1" 285 lbs plays a lot like hargrove does.......a pass rush specialist but isnt tall enough to play DE could play 3-tech and help rush the passer but isnt the help we need in rush defense a mid round prospect to keep an eye on

02-26-2010, 02:25 PM	#123
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by CantonLegend good stuff.....still wondering why you put tennessee in the mix tho lol Meachem? I would guess we let Grant walk and pick a DE first round though. I still like Dunlap but he isn't going to fall and Griffen probably won't either. JPP is my hopeful.
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02-26-2010, 02:33 PM	#124
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by exile Meachem? lol but why would you think that payton loves tennessee more than ohio if theres only been 2 picks out of tennessee in 4 years? I would guess we let Grant walk and pick a DE first round though. I still like Dunlap but he isn't going to fall and Griffen probably won't either. JPP is my hopeful. not big on griffen or dunlap but here is a little excerpt on carlos dunlap 11/14/09: Has major bouts with laziness and lethargy. Matt McGuire goes them into detail in his blog entry about why Carlos Dunlap is overrated. Al Davis or another clueless general manager may take Dunlap in the first round, but there's a good chance that like Calais Campbell, he falls into Round 2. WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft: Defensive End Rankings of course this is only from 1 source but for all the flaming i take for wanting a talented DT with weight issues im surprised to hear someone want a player with even more of a work ethic issue

02-26-2010, 02:49 PM	#125
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by CantonLegend lol but why would you think that payton loves tennessee more than ohio if theres only been 2 picks out of tennessee in 4 years? Just to get you going. I hope Dunlap does fall because if he hasn't worked hard in college he will be the greatest player in history when he decides to do so. Thanks for that link. Gives me hope he will fall. I like Cody enough but I guess I'm gunshy from a guy named Sullivan.
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02-26-2010, 03:11 PM	#126
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by exile Just to get you going. I hope Dunlap does fall because if he hasn't worked hard in college he will be the greatest player in history when he decides to do so. Thanks for that link. Gives me hope he will fall. I like Cody enough but I guess I'm gunshy from a guy named Sullivan. I don't care what they are saying about JaMarcus Russell. Sullivan may have been the worst pick in NFL history.

02-26-2010, 07:33 PM	#127
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by Danno Well well well, our "weakest link" was tendered as a 1st rounder. Maybe he's not as bad as you think? Danno bro, I would L-O-V-E to get a R1 pick for Harper... I would be Farmer Fran ecstatic to get a R1 pick for Harper... Only problem is...we get better value with our 4R and 7R picks?!? I think it's just leverage for a trade of Harper...

02-26-2010, 07:37 PM	#128
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2010 NFL Draft hey, exile; is that your sister?

02-26-2010, 07:44 PM	#129
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre Danno bro, I would L-O-V-E to get a R1 pick for Harper... I would be Farmer Fran ecstatic to get a R1 pick for Harper... Only problem is...we get better value with our 4R and 7R picks?!? I think it's just leverage for a trade of Harper... I'd take a 1st too, but my point is he's a lot better than many thought. If he was truly the "weakest link", no way would any team give up a 1st rounder for him. Not even the Raiders are that stupid. Well thats debatable. If he was truly the weak link we would bait other teams with a reasonable tender, like a 3rd rounder, or even a 2nd rounder. If no one bites we pay him a lot of money for 1 year. You don't bait teams to sign a weak link with a 1st round tender. You typically do that because you want to keep him, or you want to encourage him to sign a long term contract. In my opinion a 2nd round tender would have been best. If another team offers him an appropriate contract, we can match it or get a 2nd rounder in return. The staff wants to keep him, and if they do lose him they're gonna get a 1st rounder for him.

02-26-2010, 07:51 PM	#130
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by stockman311 I don't care what they are saying about JaMarcus Russell. Sullivan may have been the worst pick in NFL history. Shawn Knight is close; but two ones for the move to get Sullivan?!? Haslett's move to get Sullivan reminded me of the adage "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." We traded for Sullivan; Cardinals got Calvin Pace and Bryant Johnson...D'oh At #24, Indy took (gasp) Dallas Clark... At #31, Raiders took (crying) Nnamdi Asomugha... So by not trading, we could have had two of the following: Calvin Pace, Bryant Johnson, Dallas Clark, or Nnamdi Asomugha... Further, even with the trade we could have picked one of the following: Jordan Gross, Kevin Williams (Williams DT Brothers fame), Terrell Suggs, Marcus Trufant, Ty Warren, and yes (cutting wrist) Troy Polamalu... and he gave away La'roi Glover... So we got rid of Glover, passed on some amazing talent, and selected Sullivan... Haslett is the gift that keeps giving...
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