Who to cut (cap hits included)

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Nsekhe is huge, but old for a 'futures'. Maybe Brown is a goner after all.

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Futures contracts are for off season or practice squad... But I wouldn't say he is that old... He has had 2 seasons in the NFL and only been out of college for 5 years.

My thoughts are that Brown is done, Armstead will be out starting LT and Nsekhe is depth at best.

ScottF · 01-27-2014, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Futures contracts are for off season or practice squad... But I wouldn't say he is that old... He has had 2 seasons in the NFL and only been out of college for 5 years.

My thoughts are that Brown is done, Armstead will be out starting LT and Nsekhe is depth at best.

I think he is 28...
I guess I assumed 'futures' as in young players, not 'future' as in a date forthcoming

blackangold · 01-27-2014, 02:43 PM

How much cap room do we really need to free up?

Well lets see (my approximation):

15.3 mil over the cap now.

+6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower)

+3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum)

+3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack)

+2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start)

+1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth

+3.5 mil for all draft pick signings

+2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season.

That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow

Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted:

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil..

Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please.

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

How much cap room do we really need to free up?

Well lets see (my approximation:

15.3 mil over the cap now.

+6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower)

+3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum)

+3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack)

+2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start)

+1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth

+3.5 mil for all draft pick signings

+2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season.

That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow

Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted:

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil..

Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please.

Not to pour fuel on the fire... Add another 7M to the need.

Sign 7 draft picks
Practice squad
Still have 2-3M to start the season in case we need to find someone because of an injury.

blackangold · 01-27-2014, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not to pour fuel on the fire... Add another 7M to the need.

Sign 7 draft picks
Practice squad
Still have 2-3M to start the season in case we need to find someone because of an injury.

I added all of that type of money.. unless you think I undersold it.

SapperSaint · 01-27-2014, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not to pour fuel on the fire... Add another 7M to the need.

Sign 7 draft picks
Practice squad
Still have 2-3M to start the season in case we need to find someone because of an injury.

I think I'm gonna vomit

Danno · 01-27-2014, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

How much cap room do we really need to free up?

Well lets see (my approximation:

15.3 mil over the cap now.
+6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower)
+3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum)
+3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack)
+2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start)
+1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth
+3.5 mil for all draft pick signings
+2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season.

That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow

Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted:

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil..

Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please.

Kinda depressing when you put it that way.

Therefore, looks like no new center (Lelito shuffle), Bush only gets 1 million or walks, Harris steps in at RT, practice squad players forced to step up.

blackangold · 01-27-2014, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Kinda depressing when you put it that way.

Therefore, looks like no new center (Lelito shuffle), Bush only gets 1 million or walks, Harris steps in at RT, practice squad players forced to step up.

Yeah, I know...

I really don't envy Loomis right now. He is going to have a rough time getting the cap in-order. If anyone can do it, Loomis can.

Brees is willing to restructure but that kills us next year.

Danno · 01-27-2014, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Yeah, I know...

I really don't envy Loomis right now. He is going to have a rough time getting the cap in-order. If anyone can do it, Loomis can.

Brees is willing to restructure but that kills us next year.

Evans, Grubbs, Colston, PRobinson and Bunkley can be restructured as well.

Thanks for looking up those replacement costs. I was going to do that too but didn't have the time.

I'd guess we'll probably have room for 2 big free-agent signings, Graham and Strief are my two choices. Bush is a RFA so we can tender him low.

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 02:57 PM

From something i posted in another thread.

Trade Colston and free up 8.3M in cap space...

01-27-2014, 01:33 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by ScottF Nsekhe is huge, but old for a 'futures'. Maybe Brown is a goner after all. Ty Nsekhe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Futures contracts are for off season or practice squad... But I wouldn't say he is that old... He has had 2 seasons in the NFL and only been out of college for 5 years. My thoughts are that Brown is done, Armstead will be out starting LT and Nsekhe is depth at best.

01-27-2014, 02:26 PM	#2
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak Futures contracts are for off season or practice squad... But I wouldn't say he is that old... He has had 2 seasons in the NFL and only been out of college for 5 years. My thoughts are that Brown is done, Armstead will be out starting LT and Nsekhe is depth at best. I think he is 28... I guess I assumed 'futures' as in young players, not 'future' as in a date forthcoming

01-27-2014, 02:43 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) How much cap room do we really need to free up? Well lets see (my approximation): 15.3 mil over the cap now. +6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower) +3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum) +3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack) +2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start) +1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth +3.5 mil for all draft pick signings +2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season. That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted: Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil.. Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please. frankeefrank and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-27-2014, 02:48 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by blackangold How much cap room do we really need to free up? Well lets see (my approximation: 15.3 mil over the cap now. +6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower) +3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum) +3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack) +2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start) +1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth +3.5 mil for all draft pick signings +2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season. That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted: Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil.. Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please. Not to pour fuel on the fire... Add another 7M to the need. Sign 7 draft picks Practice squad Still have 2-3M to start the season in case we need to find someone because of an injury.

01-27-2014, 02:49 PM	#5
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak Not to pour fuel on the fire... Add another 7M to the need. Sign 7 draft picks Practice squad Still have 2-3M to start the season in case we need to find someone because of an injury. I added all of that type of money.. unless you think I undersold it.

01-27-2014, 02:55 PM	#6
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak Not to pour fuel on the fire... Add another 7M to the need. Sign 7 draft picks Practice squad Still have 2-3M to start the season in case we need to find someone because of an injury. I think I'm gonna vomit

01-27-2014, 02:50 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by blackangold How much cap room do we really need to free up? Well lets see (my approximation: 15.3 mil over the cap now. +6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower) +3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum) +3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack) +2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start) +1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth +3.5 mil for all draft pick signings +2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season. That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted: Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil.. Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please. Kinda depressing when you put it that way. Therefore, looks like no new center (Lelito shuffle), Bush only gets 1 million or walks, Harris steps in at RT, practice squad players forced to step up.

01-27-2014, 02:53 PM	#8
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Kinda depressing when you put it that way. Therefore, looks like no new center (Lelito shuffle), Bush only gets 1 million or walks, Harris steps in at RT, practice squad players forced to step up. Yeah, I know... I really don't envy Loomis right now. He is going to have a rough time getting the cap in-order. If anyone can do it, Loomis can. Brees is willing to restructure but that kills us next year.

01-27-2014, 02:58 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by blackangold Yeah, I know... I really don't envy Loomis right now. He is going to have a rough time getting the cap in-order. If anyone can do it, Loomis can. Brees is willing to restructure but that kills us next year. Evans, Grubbs, Colston, PRobinson and Bunkley can be restructured as well. Thanks for looking up those replacement costs. I was going to do that too but didn't have the time. I'd guess we'll probably have room for 2 big free-agent signings, Graham and Strief are my two choices. Bush is a RFA so we can tender him low.

01-27-2014, 02:57 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) From something i posted in another thread. Trade Colston and free up 8.3M in cap space...

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