Who to cut (cap hits included)

Showtime5 · 01-25-2014, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Two fumbles in 3 years is a fumbling issue?

Yeah I don't seen the fumbling issue there ?

B_Dub_Saint · 01-25-2014, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

It's funny how you place a Saints jersey on a player, and it masks there deficiencies, Mark Ingram takes too long to get going...... And he has a fumbling issue.... that still remains uncorrected... That is the truth. The fact that he is in a Saints Jersey doesn't mask the problem enough for me...

Khiry Robinson..... He looks like the future of the Saints... He needs real help though ( Jeremy Hill, LSU) or ( Andre Williams, Boston College)

Mark Ingram...... He pulls you in just to let you down... Im done. If they decide to keep him it's just gonna be another agonizing up and down season..... Please cut bait and trade him...Again JMHO<<<

Pierre Thomas..... I understand the love, he's earned it, me included. But there comes a time when separation is required, this is that time. What you hear from people who wanna keep him now is " He's the best screen back we have" which is funny to me because his position is running back... For me, It's not that I don't love him.... It's just time!

Travis Cadet.... Seriously.. Did you guys realize he got a playoff carry against Seattle. I swear if you took a second to pop your popcorn you missed it. Why is he on the squad!!

Darren Sproles..... He was used less and less and less..... I believe he never fully healed from all the injuries sustained during the season, I would keep him as the backup to Khiry and ( NEW RUNNING BACK)

I see your point but when you start cutting all of these backs, who do you plan on replacing them with???

Boutte · 01-25-2014, 02:00 PM

People have been trying to write Thomas off for years. Now it's because he's too old and the proof is that he couldn't run the ball from scrimmage this year. You know like Ingram, Sproles and Robinson. Oh that's right those other guys couldn't run because the O Line wasn't blocking.

Thomas is just old, slow and injury prone. The only thing he's good for is being one of the best receiving threats out of the backfield in the league. If you can't get yards from scrimmage behind a bad O Line you're not any good. Unless you're Mark Ingram or K Rob. (Sproles is worthless too apparently.) Then it's the lines fault.

|Mitch| · 01-25-2014, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

Unless you're Mark Ingram or K Rob. (Sproles is worthless too apparently.) Then it's the lines fault.

Apparently our definition of bad is different: Mark Ingram had a 4.9 yards/att stat...

Khiry had a 4.1 yards/att

Thomas had a 3.7 yards/att

Sproles had a 4.2 yards/att

Ingram had a 9.7 yards per catch average and Thomas had a 6.7 yards per catch, so I guess that debunks the best screen back we have opinion

dueceloose · 01-25-2014, 02:57 PM

How many catches did Thomas get and how many did ingram get? Sure they attempted more to Thomas than Ingram so the smaller sample size would look better than Thomas who's gotten more and had more chances to get stopped.

The Dude · 01-25-2014, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

First off, I don't think anyone in here is eager to let anybody go.... OK .... I take that back..... Everybody in here wants that 11.5 million that Will Smith is worth gone immediately.... Sorry.. I had a point.....

Yeah, nobody wants to see PT gone... I understand his effectiveness. But I long to get away from carrying 5 $%^# Running Backs on the roster when only three are needed....... You wanna know the reason we have a " screen game"? It's mostly because we don't have a run game.... We have become a slave to the screen.... And teams realize it, and they make us pay for it........... bottom line, Can I get some one to come in and run the screen like PT, probably not...... But can I get a truck Alfred Morris type running back from this draft to run the damn ball better so we won't have to rely on the screen so much.... That's more likely....

That is a great point about why we rely on the screen game so often. I have never thought of that.

blackangold · 01-25-2014, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut?

I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker..

Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)...

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

CUTS:
Smith
Sproles
Thomas
Moore

Restructures:
Harper
Greer

Re-sign
Graham
Bush
Wade
Haralson

Cap Room
$168,546

Still need to sign the drafted players and need a new RT and C. Not going to be an easy year for Loomis. Restructuring Brees is out of the question because we need to save that for next year. Colston could restructure to save 3.05m or we could cut PRob to save 1.3m. Don't expect some major signings this year. Going to be a harsh off-season in my opinion.

You can play with the cap at this site... see how you do.

Salary Cap Calculator - Over the Cap

|Mitch| · 01-25-2014, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by dueceloose

How many catches did Thomas get and how many did ingram get? Sure they attempted more to Thomas than Ingram so the smaller sample size would look better than Thomas who's gotten more and had more chances to get stopped.

How do you know that with more catches Ingrams yards per catch would go down? He might have had a bigger average with more attempts, no one can be sure until it happens...

ScottF · 01-25-2014, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I thought Bunkley played very well, so I don't see him as a cut candidate.

He had 13 tackles, zero sacks. Good for rotational, but not for $5 mill

Danno · 01-25-2014, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

He had 13 tackles, zero sacks. Good for rotational, but not for $5 mill

Sack and tackle stats for a DT are as useless as tits on a bull.

01-25-2014, 11:09 AM	#41
Showtime5 Registered Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 40	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Two fumbles in 3 years is a fumbling issue? Yeah I don't seen the fumbling issue there ?
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01-25-2014, 12:30 PM	#42
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by alleycat_126 It's funny how you place a Saints jersey on a player, and it masks there deficiencies, Mark Ingram takes too long to get going...... And he has a fumbling issue.... that still remains uncorrected... That is the truth. The fact that he is in a Saints Jersey doesn't mask the problem enough for me... Khiry Robinson..... He looks like the future of the Saints... He needs real help though ( Jeremy Hill, LSU) or ( Andre Williams, Boston College) Mark Ingram...... He pulls you in just to let you down... Im done. If they decide to keep him it's just gonna be another agonizing up and down season..... Please cut bait and trade him...Again JMHO<<< Pierre Thomas..... I understand the love, he's earned it, me included. But there comes a time when separation is required, this is that time. What you hear from people who wanna keep him now is " He's the best screen back we have" which is funny to me because his position is running back... For me, It's not that I don't love him.... It's just time! Travis Cadet.... Seriously.. Did you guys realize he got a playoff carry against Seattle. I swear if you took a second to pop your popcorn you missed it. Why is he on the squad!! Darren Sproles..... He was used less and less and less..... I believe he never fully healed from all the injuries sustained during the season, I would keep him as the backup to Khiry and ( NEW RUNNING BACK) I see your point but when you start cutting all of these backs, who do you plan on replacing them with??? jeanpierre likes this.

01-25-2014, 02:00 PM	#43
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) People have been trying to write Thomas off for years. Now it's because he's too old and the proof is that he couldn't run the ball from scrimmage this year. You know like Ingram, Sproles and Robinson. Oh that's right those other guys couldn't run because the O Line wasn't blocking. Thomas is just old, slow and injury prone. The only thing he's good for is being one of the best receiving threats out of the backfield in the league. If you can't get yards from scrimmage behind a bad O Line you're not any good. Unless you're Mark Ingram or K Rob. (Sproles is worthless too apparently.) Then it's the lines fault.

01-25-2014, 02:20 PM	#44
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Boutte Unless you're Mark Ingram or K Rob. (Sproles is worthless too apparently.) Then it's the lines fault. Apparently our definition of bad is different: Mark Ingram had a 4.9 yards/att stat... Khiry had a 4.1 yards/att Thomas had a 3.7 yards/att Sproles had a 4.2 yards/att Ingram had a 9.7 yards per catch average and Thomas had a 6.7 yards per catch, so I guess that debunks the best screen back we have opinion mleg1972 and blackangold like this.
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01-25-2014, 02:57 PM	#45
dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) How many catches did Thomas get and how many did ingram get? Sure they attempted more to Thomas than Ingram so the smaller sample size would look better than Thomas who's gotten more and had more chances to get stopped. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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01-25-2014, 03:23 PM	#46
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by alleycat_126 First off, I don't think anyone in here is eager to let anybody go.... OK .... I take that back..... Everybody in here wants that 11.5 million that Will Smith is worth gone immediately.... Sorry.. I had a point..... Yeah, nobody wants to see PT gone... I understand his effectiveness. But I long to get away from carrying 5 $%^# Running Backs on the roster when only three are needed....... You wanna know the reason we have a " screen game"? It's mostly because we don't have a run game.... We have become a slave to the screen.... And teams realize it, and they make us pay for it........... bottom line, Can I get some one to come in and run the screen like PT, probably not...... But can I get a truck Alfred Morris type running back from this draft to run the damn ball better so we won't have to rely on the screen so much.... That's more likely.... That is a great point about why we rely on the screen game so often. I have never thought of that.
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01-25-2014, 04:08 PM	#47
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno So we're about 14 over and we'll need at least 8 million for Graham, so who do you cut? I know Loomis will likely restructure several players but this kinda gives yo a good indicator who may be asked to restructure or clean out their locker.. Approximated cap savings if cut (hopefully some restructure)... Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 CUTS: Smith Sproles Thomas Moore Restructures: Harper Greer Re-sign Graham Bush Wade Haralson Cap Room $168,546 Still need to sign the drafted players and need a new RT and C. Not going to be an easy year for Loomis. Restructuring Brees is out of the question because we need to save that for next year. Colston could restructure to save 3.05m or we could cut PRob to save 1.3m. Don't expect some major signings this year. Going to be a harsh off-season in my opinion. You can play with the cap at this site... see how you do. Salary Cap Calculator - Over the Cap

01-25-2014, 06:54 PM	#48
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by dueceloose How many catches did Thomas get and how many did ingram get? Sure they attempted more to Thomas than Ingram so the smaller sample size would look better than Thomas who's gotten more and had more chances to get stopped. How do you know that with more catches Ingrams yards per catch would go down? He might have had a bigger average with more attempts, no one can be sure until it happens...

01-25-2014, 06:59 PM	#49
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno I thought Bunkley played very well, so I don't see him as a cut candidate. He had 13 tackles, zero sacks. Good for rotational, but not for $5 mill

01-25-2014, 07:05 PM	#50
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by ScottF He had 13 tackles, zero sacks. Good for rotational, but not for $5 mill Sack and tackle stats for a DT are as useless as tits on a bull. mleg1972, the-commish and saintsfan403 like this.

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