Who to cut (cap hits included)

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Good points, and its also why every team needs solid role players. Role players won't break the bank and help maintain continuity year to year. You can't afford to have an all-pro at every position.

Which is what most fans do. They look at the weakest link and want to throw a Jerry Rice in there, it never ends.... There will always be a weakest link.

Some positions require a serviceable player and some benefit a great deal more from play makers.

Dual roll players..- We have the #2 passing defense but some want to replace our LBs for players that "might" be better in coverage, but at what expense? To get run on?

Lets not forget that some passes are only defensible by accident.

hagan714 · 01-27-2014, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Which is what most fans do. They look at the weakest link and want to throw a Jerry Rice in there, it never ends....

he is coming back? sign him sign him now

hagan714 · 01-27-2014, 10:24 AM

in all honesty i do not see my dreams being full filled this year in FA.

might get some nice second tier players and re shuffle the practice squad

but the draft is the key to getting a handle on this cap issue for the next few years.

so i am wondering if the saints will finally get a grip on the draft and take a blue print from other good teams.

now will the saints trade back? trade a player or two? or a package of both?

nah history says we will get fewer picks than we started with

on the bright side redoing Drew contract next year is a very friendly move for the team vs. doing it this year.

money says player walk and get tagged and we are in the same boat next year but with the shore in sight

jeanpierre · 01-27-2014, 12:13 PM

Projected 2014 Salary Cap Number - $126,300,000mil

Saints Committed 2014 Salary Cap - $139,812,494

Saints Over Commitment for 2014 -$13,512,494

Likely Cuts (Pos, Name, Savings)

DE Will Smith $11,550,000
DB Roman Harper $2,180,000

With those two players savings we pull just under the cap...

Then, we still need a Center and an Offensive Tackle as DLP and Strief are free agents (no committed salary)...

And then there's the designation of Jimmy Graham...

Source: OvertheCap.com

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Projected 2014 Salary Cap Number - $126,300,000mil

Saints Committed 2014 Salary Cap - $139,812,494

Saints Over Commitment for 2014 -$13,512,494

Likely Cuts (Pos, Name, Savings)

DE Will Smith $11,550,000
DB Roman Harper $2,180,000

With those two players savings we pull just under the cap...

Then, we still need a Center and an Offensive Tackle as DLP and Strief are free agents (no committed salary)...

And then there's the designation of Jimmy Graham...

Source: OvertheCap.com

Spotrac is updated a lot better than OTC> We signed Nsekhe for 496k and Brooks for 420k in the last two days. I don't like OTC because it leaves things out.

Our Over is presently $15,249,590m
We have 1,626,985 carry over from 2013 to 2014

Also the 2014 Cap commitment you are showing is only for TOP 51

Then there still is:

Resigning Free Agents
Signing Draft picks
Practice squad
Saving 2m in reserve for injuries during camp and or preseason.

ScottF · 01-27-2014, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Spotrac is updated a lot better than OTC> We signed Nsekhe for 496k and Brooks for 420k in the last two days. I don't like OTC because it leaves things out.

Nsekhe is huge, but old for a 'futures'. Maybe Brown is a goner after all.

Ty Nsekhe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ty Nsekhe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Nsekhe is huge, but old for a 'futures'. Maybe Brown is a goner after all.

Ty Nsekhe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Futures contracts are for off season or practice squad... But I wouldn't say he is that old... He has had 2 seasons in the NFL and only been out of college for 5 years.

My thoughts are that Brown is done, Armstead will be out starting LT and Nsekhe is depth at best.

ScottF · 01-27-2014, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Futures contracts are for off season or practice squad... But I wouldn't say he is that old... He has had 2 seasons in the NFL and only been out of college for 5 years.

My thoughts are that Brown is done, Armstead will be out starting LT and Nsekhe is depth at best.

I think he is 28...
I guess I assumed 'futures' as in young players, not 'future' as in a date forthcoming

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

I think he is 28...
I guess I assumed 'futures' as in young players, not 'future' as in a date forthcoming

A "futures" contract is a contract that basically secures someone for the upcoming off-season and or practice squad.

blackangold · 01-27-2014, 03:43 PM

How much cap room do we really need to free up?

Well lets see (my approximation):

15.3 mil over the cap now.

+6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower)

+3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum)

+3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack)

+2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start)

+1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth

+3.5 mil for all draft pick signings

+2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season.

That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow

Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted:

Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut
Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000
Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000
Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000
Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000
Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250
Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000
Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375
Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500

If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil..

Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please.

01-27-2014, 10:10 AM	#81
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Good points, and its also why every team needs solid role players. Role players won't break the bank and help maintain continuity year to year. You can't afford to have an all-pro at every position. Which is what most fans do. They look at the weakest link and want to throw a Jerry Rice in there, it never ends.... There will always be a weakest link. Some positions require a serviceable player and some benefit a great deal more from play makers. Dual roll players..- We have the #2 passing defense but some want to replace our LBs for players that "might" be better in coverage, but at what expense? To get run on? Lets not forget that some passes are only defensible by accident. hagan714 and mleg1972 like this.

01-27-2014, 10:22 AM	#82
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak Which is what most fans do. They look at the weakest link and want to throw a Jerry Rice in there, it never ends.... he is coming back? sign him sign him now

01-27-2014, 10:24 AM	#83
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) in all honesty i do not see my dreams being full filled this year in FA. might get some nice second tier players and re shuffle the practice squad but the draft is the key to getting a handle on this cap issue for the next few years. so i am wondering if the saints will finally get a grip on the draft and take a blue print from other good teams. now will the saints trade back? trade a player or two? or a package of both? nah history says we will get fewer picks than we started with on the bright side redoing Drew contract next year is a very friendly move for the team vs. doing it this year. money says player walk and get tagged and we are in the same boat next year but with the shore in sight
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01-27-2014, 12:13 PM	#84
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Projected 2014 Salary Cap Number - $126,300,000mil Saints Committed 2014 Salary Cap - $139,812,494 Saints Over Commitment for 2014 -$13,512,494 Likely Cuts (Pos, Name, Savings) DE Will Smith $11,550,000 DB Roman Harper $2,180,000 With those two players savings we pull just under the cap... Then, we still need a Center and an Offensive Tackle as DLP and Strief are free agents (no committed salary)... And then there's the designation of Jimmy Graham... Source: OvertheCap.com

01-27-2014, 12:25 PM	#85
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by jeanpierre Projected 2014 Salary Cap Number - $126,300,000mil Saints Committed 2014 Salary Cap - $139,812,494 Saints Over Commitment for 2014 -$13,512,494 Likely Cuts (Pos, Name, Savings) DE Will Smith $11,550,000 DB Roman Harper $2,180,000 With those two players savings we pull just under the cap... Then, we still need a Center and an Offensive Tackle as DLP and Strief are free agents (no committed salary)... And then there's the designation of Jimmy Graham... Source: OvertheCap.com Spotrac is updated a lot better than OTC> We signed Nsekhe for 496k and Brooks for 420k in the last two days. I don't like OTC because it leaves things out. Our Over is presently $15,249,590m We have 1,626,985 carry over from 2013 to 2014 Also the 2014 Cap commitment you are showing is only for TOP 51 Then there still is: Resigning Free Agents Signing Draft picks Practice squad Saving 2m in reserve for injuries during camp and or preseason.
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01-27-2014, 02:33 PM	#87
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by ScottF Nsekhe is huge, but old for a 'futures'. Maybe Brown is a goner after all. Ty Nsekhe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Futures contracts are for off season or practice squad... But I wouldn't say he is that old... He has had 2 seasons in the NFL and only been out of college for 5 years. My thoughts are that Brown is done, Armstead will be out starting LT and Nsekhe is depth at best.

01-27-2014, 03:26 PM	#88
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak Futures contracts are for off season or practice squad... But I wouldn't say he is that old... He has had 2 seasons in the NFL and only been out of college for 5 years. My thoughts are that Brown is done, Armstead will be out starting LT and Nsekhe is depth at best. I think he is 28... I guess I assumed 'futures' as in young players, not 'future' as in a date forthcoming

01-27-2014, 03:36 PM	#89
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by ScottF I think he is 28... I guess I assumed 'futures' as in young players, not 'future' as in a date forthcoming A "futures" contract is a contract that basically secures someone for the upcoming off-season and or practice squad.

01-27-2014, 03:43 PM	#90
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) How much cap room do we really need to free up? Well lets see (my approximation): 15.3 mil over the cap now. +6.5 mil for Jimmy's contract (first year is usually lower) +3.5 mil for a RT contract (at a minimum) +3.2 mil for a C contract (middle of the pack) +2.1 mil for Bush (proved he can start) +1 mil for Haralson/other for OLB depth +3.5 mil for all draft pick signings +2 mil for emergency injury funds during the season. That's about 37 mil we need to free up... 37 million wow Now lets cut everyone on the list that was originally posted: Cap hit minus dead money = Cap savings if cut Will Smith - 13,902,451 - 2,352,451 = 11,550,000 Darren Sproles - 4,250,000 - 750,000 = 3,500,000 Jabari Greer - 5,825,000 – 2,650,000 = 3,175,000 Pierre Thomas – 2,900,000 – 0 = 2,900,000 Lance Moore - 5,068,750 - 2,357,500 = 2,711,250 Roman Harper - 5,870,000 - 3,690,000 = 2,180,000 Mark Ingram - 2,359,875 - 973,500 = 1,386,375 Patrick Robinson - 2,804,333 - 1,446,833 = 1,357,500 If we cut all of them we save 28.45 mil.. Leaving us with another 8.55 mil to cut... It's going to be a tough off-season. Come-on Mickey, pull another out of your hat please. frankeefrank and Rugby Saint II like this.

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