Who to cut (cap hits included)

|Mitch| · 01-25-2014, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Sack and tackle stats for a DT are as useless as tits on a bull.

It's all about collapsing the pocket, which Jenkins and Bunkley both did very well

ScottF · 01-25-2014, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

It's all about collapsing the pocket, which Jenkins and Bunkley both did very well

Originally Posted by Danno

Sack and tackle stats for a DT are as useless as tits on a bull.

In the absence of stats, look at the comparables:
24 DT's had over 40 tackles last year
65 DT's had more tackles than BB
these guys are pressuring the pocket AND coming up with the numbers

BB is the 16th highest paid DT- as we look at every nickel, his name is going to come up

Crusader · 01-25-2014, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

In the absence of stats, look at the comparables:
24 DT's had over 40 tackles last year
65 DT's had more tackles than BB
these guys are pressuring the pocket AND coming up with the numbers

BB is the 16th highest paid DT- as we look at every nickel, his name is going to come up

Is that DTs or NTs? There is quite a big difference between being a 5 tech DT and a 0 or 1 tech NT.

jeanpierre · 01-26-2014, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

In the absence of stats, look at the comparables:
24 DT's had over 40 tackles last year
65 DT's had more tackles than BB
these guys are pressuring the pocket AND coming up with the numbers

BB is the 16th highest paid DT- as we look at every nickel, his name is going to come up

His name would come up simply because of Jenkins showing his ability to start and he costs less...

that said, it would be an incredibly risky chance to let an established 34 Nose Tackle geaux breaking up an affordable, cap friendly, effective rotation at the NT which is rare in today's NFL...

The rotations on the defensive line were the best we've had since the LaRoi Glover gang, maybe even the Dome Patrol days...

On defense, the big problem that has half a solution solved in Vaccaro is to get the complement to shore up the backstop and maybe a playmaking cornerback to pair with the solid pro Keenan Lewis...

But the bigger issue on defense is really at Linebacker where we showed we're most vulnerable when Vaccaro was healthy...

halloween 65 · 01-26-2014, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

His name would come up simply because of Jenkins showing his ability to start and he costs less...

that said, it would be an incredibly risky chance to let an established 34 Nose Tackle geaux breaking up an affordable, cap friendly, effective rotation at the NT which is rare in today's NFL...

The rotations on the defensive line were the best we've had since the LaRoi Glover gang, maybe even the Dome Patrol days...

On defense, the big problem that has half a solution solved in Vaccaro is to get the complement to shore up the backstop and maybe a playmaking cornerback to pair with the solid pro Keenan Lewis...

But the bigger issue on defense is really at Linebacker where we showed we're most vulnerable when Vaccaro was healthy...

JP, If you look at it like I'm looking at it we need another bad a$$ DT up front, one that not only plays the nose in a 3-4 but can play all the front line, keep in mind 6 linemen in a 3-4 that is why I want Hageman in the 1st. As of now we have 5 really good linemen add Hagemen thats 6 and a rookie at that to bring along with Jenkins, Jordon, Hicks and Walker. I would not let Bunkley go this year either. About the lb.'s I wanted to pull the trigger on Van Noy in the 2nd but we need more help on the O line, I did mock this guy Andrew Jackson ILB because we need a thug type in the middle and if him and Rufus could be paired together in the middle over time I do't think we would have to ever worry about the run. Basically in a nut-shell what I would like to see out of our front 7 is to go thug type just like the Dome Patrol was. The pieces are almost there.

jeanpierre · 01-26-2014, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

JP, If you look at it like I'm looking at it we need another bad a$$ DT up front, one that not only plays the nose in a 3-4 but can play all the front line, keep in mind 6 linemen in a 3-4 that is why I want Hageman in the 1st. As of now we have 5 really good linemen add Hagemen thats 6 and a rookie at that to bring along with Jenkins, Jordon, Hicks and Walker. I would not let Bunkley go this year either. About the lb.'s I wanted to pull the trigger on Van Noy in the 2nd but we need more help on the O line, I did mock this guy Andrew Jackson ILB because we need a thug type in the middle and if him and Rufus could be paired together in the middle over time I do't think we would have to ever worry about the run. Basically in a nut-shell what I would like to see out of our front 7 is to go thug type just like the Dome Patrol was. The pieces are almost there.

Even if we didn't have a ~20mil quarterback and other high paid veterans, you have to allocate a pie to 53 men on a roster...

You have to pick your spots...

When you look at our defensive line as a 34 front, we're two deep and very effective at each position...

Tom Johnson is a FA and will probably be replaced with an inexpensive young veteran, or an Undrafted Rookie Free Agent; though I do like the NT from Pitt as well as

That's the NFL today; finding the right formula within the salary cap budget...

We had a special year despite alot of dead money (Injured Reserve et al)...

But the question posed is "Who to cut (cap hits included)?" has mostly been answered with those that were on IR this past season understand they've been replaced already with younger, faster, stronger players...

01-25-2014, 06:28 PM	#1
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Sack and tackle stats for a DT are as useless as tits on a bull. It's all about collapsing the pocket, which Jenkins and Bunkley both did very well Rugby Saint II and the-commish like this.

01-25-2014, 07:19 PM	#2
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| It's all about collapsing the pocket, which Jenkins and Bunkley both did very well Originally Posted by Danno Sack and tackle stats for a DT are as useless as tits on a bull. In the absence of stats, look at the comparables: 24 DT's had over 40 tackles last year 65 DT's had more tackles than BB these guys are pressuring the pocket AND coming up with the numbers BB is the 16th highest paid DT- as we look at every nickel, his name is going to come up

01-25-2014, 07:50 PM	#3
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,031	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by ScottF In the absence of stats, look at the comparables: 24 DT's had over 40 tackles last year 65 DT's had more tackles than BB these guys are pressuring the pocket AND coming up with the numbers BB is the 16th highest paid DT- as we look at every nickel, his name is going to come up Is that DTs or NTs? There is quite a big difference between being a 5 tech DT and a 0 or 1 tech NT. the-commish and saintsfan403 like this.

01-26-2014, 12:43 AM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by ScottF In the absence of stats, look at the comparables: 24 DT's had over 40 tackles last year 65 DT's had more tackles than BB these guys are pressuring the pocket AND coming up with the numbers BB is the 16th highest paid DT- as we look at every nickel, his name is going to come up His name would come up simply because of Jenkins showing his ability to start and he costs less... that said, it would be an incredibly risky chance to let an established 34 Nose Tackle geaux breaking up an affordable, cap friendly, effective rotation at the NT which is rare in today's NFL... The rotations on the defensive line were the best we've had since the LaRoi Glover gang, maybe even the Dome Patrol days... On defense, the big problem that has half a solution solved in Vaccaro is to get the complement to shore up the backstop and maybe a playmaking cornerback to pair with the solid pro Keenan Lewis... But the bigger issue on defense is really at Linebacker where we showed we're most vulnerable when Vaccaro was healthy... MarchingOn likes this.
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01-26-2014, 07:54 AM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by jeanpierre His name would come up simply because of Jenkins showing his ability to start and he costs less... that said, it would be an incredibly risky chance to let an established 34 Nose Tackle geaux breaking up an affordable, cap friendly, effective rotation at the NT which is rare in today's NFL... The rotations on the defensive line were the best we've had since the LaRoi Glover gang, maybe even the Dome Patrol days... On defense, the big problem that has half a solution solved in Vaccaro is to get the complement to shore up the backstop and maybe a playmaking cornerback to pair with the solid pro Keenan Lewis... But the bigger issue on defense is really at Linebacker where we showed we're most vulnerable when Vaccaro was healthy... JP, If you look at it like I'm looking at it we need another bad a$$ DT up front, one that not only plays the nose in a 3-4 but can play all the front line, keep in mind 6 linemen in a 3-4 that is why I want Hageman in the 1st. As of now we have 5 really good linemen add Hagemen thats 6 and a rookie at that to bring along with Jenkins, Jordon, Hicks and Walker. I would not let Bunkley go this year either. About the lb.'s I wanted to pull the trigger on Van Noy in the 2nd but we need more help on the O line, I did mock this guy Andrew Jackson ILB because we need a thug type in the middle and if him and Rufus could be paired together in the middle over time I do't think we would have to ever worry about the run. Basically in a nut-shell what I would like to see out of our front 7 is to go thug type just like the Dome Patrol was. The pieces are almost there.

01-26-2014, 08:56 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by halloween 65 JP, If you look at it like I'm looking at it we need another bad a$$ DT up front, one that not only plays the nose in a 3-4 but can play all the front line, keep in mind 6 linemen in a 3-4 that is why I want Hageman in the 1st. As of now we have 5 really good linemen add Hagemen thats 6 and a rookie at that to bring along with Jenkins, Jordon, Hicks and Walker. I would not let Bunkley go this year either. About the lb.'s I wanted to pull the trigger on Van Noy in the 2nd but we need more help on the O line, I did mock this guy Andrew Jackson ILB because we need a thug type in the middle and if him and Rufus could be paired together in the middle over time I do't think we would have to ever worry about the run. Basically in a nut-shell what I would like to see out of our front 7 is to go thug type just like the Dome Patrol was. The pieces are almost there. Even if we didn't have a ~20mil quarterback and other high paid veterans, you have to allocate a pie to 53 men on a roster... You have to pick your spots... When you look at our defensive line as a 34 front, we're two deep and very effective at each position... Tom Johnson is a FA and will probably be replaced with an inexpensive young veteran, or an Undrafted Rookie Free Agent; though I do like the NT from Pitt as well as That's the NFL today; finding the right formula within the salary cap budget... We had a special year despite alot of dead money (Injured Reserve et al)... But the question posed is "Who to cut (cap hits included)?" has mostly been answered with those that were on IR this past season understand they've been replaced already with younger, faster, stronger players...
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