2016 NFL Draft Prospect Thread ...............

[hagan714]

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Hagan, I appreciate your take on Billings. Really interesting stuff. If Billings isn't the guy though how would you like to see us address the 3-technique position? A'Shawn Robinson is great but drafting him would still leave us with a gaping hole next to him. Robinson, John Jenkins and Tyeler Davison are all best suited to play the same role.

blow of the definitions of 43 DT a bit. Look at Carolina. Carolina approach is simple and fundamentally sound. Push the pocket, overwhelm and/or occupy more than one interior blocker with each DT. meaning the RB has to pay more attention to the rush up the middle leaving the DE as a secondary assignment. More now than ever since Short's game has reached the next level. Carolina built a defense to stop the saints before the pass happy rule changes even came into effect.

Star Lotulelei, 6024 311 5.41 now at 320
we got slow lumbering beef to bad they do not demand DBL teams. Both DT need to be upgraded IMO right now.

We do not have
Kawann Short, 6027 299 5.08 now 315
The knock on Short was leg strength. Think that is a mute issue now

A'Shawn Robinson 6032 312 5.18

I see more than a pure run stuffer in him. Right now I agree his game is mostly all about power. But Like Short he needs work on developing his pass rush repertoire. But the first-step quickness and fluidity are there. I am expecting to see him to raise a few eye brows and be a bit more versatile than the media scouting reports have him pegged at. I think there is more to this kid than Nick Saban's system ha shown us.

Beauty show requirements.

Give me a (shorts numbers)
10 yard split under 1.80 (1.75)
20 Shuttle under 4.75 (4.65)
3 cone drill under 7.7 (7.55)
Broard jump greater than 8-6 (8-4)
Vertical over 30 (27)
And i say it is a mute issue.

A'Shawn Robinson should be able to handle these numbers.

Billings i see why people like him but for me it will be all about the interview and football IQ. I see a lot of him in D.J. Reader who sat out a year.

Robinson I see it coming down to him showing he has more athletic ability than we think. Even if he does not he would be an upgrade to what we have now. As would Austin Johnson Penn St. and my favorite tease of the draft Chris Jones Miss St could be the shocker.

At 12 I am still stuck on Connor Cook myself. SP and Drew guiding this kid looks like a marriage made in heaven.

[Euphoria]

A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama

[hagan714]

Sell me on pick 12 for
LB Leonard Floyd, Georgia; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 232 lbs.

I was not up to speed on
FS Darian Thompson, Boise St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.
but now I am starting to thinking he is a solid option

Why? C Max Tuerk, USC; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 295 lbs.

? QB Kevin Hogan, Stanford; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 220 lbs.

Ok Hogan had a light come on this year and played extremely well but.

I still want to know if the conversion of spread QB Garrett Grayson project a failure? If so I have to take Cook if he is there. Waiting and gambling on Hogan IMO makes no sense. Cook being rated as low first is a huge steal much less at 12. He is the most polished pro ready QB in the draft and maybe more so than any QB to come out in the past 10 years. The issue he has are right up SP and Drew's alley to correct. Pull an Arron Rodgers with the kid and saints will set for years to come. I am starting to buy into this QB ideology big time this year because of Cook.

P Drew Kaser, Texas A & M; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 215 lbs. - major concern for me is the kid buckles under pressure. I am betting on UDFA

[K Major]

Originally Posted by hagan714

Sell me on pick 12 for
LB Leonard Floyd, Georgia; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 232 lbs.

The physical tools are there no doubt but has become invisible in the two GA games I saw.

JP & Hagan, what did I miss on this prospect?

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by hagan714

Sell me on pick 12 for
LB Leonard Floyd, Georgia; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 232 lbs.

I was not up to speed on
FS Darian Thompson, Boise St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.
but now I am starting to thinking he is a solid option

Why? C Max Tuerk, USC; Height: 6' 5", Weight: 295 lbs.

? QB Kevin Hogan, Stanford; Height: 6’ 4”, Weight: 220 lbs.

Ok Hogan had a light come on this year and played extremely well but.

I still want to know if the conversion of spread QB Garrett Grayson project a failure? If so I have to take Cook if he is there. Waiting and gambling on Hogan IMO makes no sense. Cook being rated as low first is a huge steal much less at 12. He is the most polished pro ready QB in the draft and maybe more so than any QB to come out in the past 10 years. The issue he has are right up SP and Drew's alley to correct. Pull an Arron Rodgers with the kid and saints will set for years to come. I am starting to buy into this QB ideology big time this year because of Cook.

P Drew Kaser, Texas A & M; Height: 6' 3", Weight: 215 lbs. - major concern for me is the kid buckles under pressure. I am betting on UDFA

Originally Posted by K Major

The physical tools are there no doubt but has become invisible in the two GA games I saw.

JP & Hagan, what did I miss on this prospect?

Reverse...

Kaser has the physical tools; A & M felt he was a lock for All-American and sent him to SEC Media Day as their kid, might have been too much with little prep, support, grooming; seems to be a theme at Texas A & M; we're paying waaaay too much for Morstead's pedestrian, inconsistent play and he's got an amazing leg and even broke Shane Lechler's record for nailing 'em inside the twenty...

Hogan fought a lot of ghosts and critics to really help Stanford make a run this season; death of his father and not going to Notre Dame as his Dad, following behind and constantly hearing he's not Andrew Luck; just saw something on film in the Stanford v. Notre Dame game that impressed me with the way he stepped up and led that team...

Note: Regarding Cook, find he disappears in big games...

Max Tuerk has great size, physical attributes; feel he could really excel in a zone blocking scheme as an interior lineman for us; he could also tutelage under Max Unger for down the road...

Completely understand the money and investment in both Byrd and Vaccaro; but the allowance in the big plays; it's time to admit the gambles were failures; have both Boise St FS Darian Thompson and SS Miles Killebrew, Southern Utah in my pick list...

They can transition to starters during the coming season and then cut ties with Byrd and Vaccaro next offseason; we've got to solve that big gaping hole in the middle of our defense; started with Anthony, finish the project on the backend...

Regard Floyd at pick 12; when I look at the current rated players and where we're picking, Treadwell, then Floyd makes the most sense; Floyd could put his hand down or rush upright; reminds me of a Pat Swilling type with his lean, elongated body type; he's got strong, violent hands to disengage blockers as Swilling had; he would also allow us the versatility to go to a 3-4; stack Kikaha behind Cam Jordan, force Cam to secure the edge and do more bull rushing and have this guy working around that edge; he's got the athleticism to cover the flats as well...

[hagan714]

Originally Posted by K Major

The physical tools are there no doubt but has become invisible in the two GA games I saw.

JP & Hagan, what did I miss on this prospect?

I saw the same thing. playing to his level of comp or just doing enough to get by? injury? I went into the season high on the kid too. gotta do some more digging on the kid. right now i question desire

[Cruize]

1. OT Stanley, LB Ragland, DE Ogbah
2. DT Billings, DE Lawson, OLB Perry
3. OLB Calhoun, OLB Jones, OG Garnett
4. TE Williams, WR Seals-Jones, K Aguayo
5. OLB Ngakoue, K Aguayo, RB Dixon
7. WR Robinson, DT Reader, K Fairbairn

The first guy is who I took at first-pick.com with no trades choosing who was available. The site gave me a 8959 A+. Stanley can play guard and locks down 4 out of 5 spots with real talent. Evans, who had a solid year, is the weak link. I'll take that. Billings fills a need with talent. Calhoun is a pass rusher who has a high motor, was productive and was coached well. Williams fills a need and is a complete TE. Ngakoue makes plays behind the line of scrimmage and has a high motor and upside. Robinson has the size and skills. Could be a boom, and I'll take that in the 7th, or he may bust. Worth the risk.

[RaginCajun83]

Connor Cook in the 1st round would be a bigger waste of a first rounder than Sullivan or Erxleben, wasn't expressed with him at all this season or during their *** kicking by Alabama

[hagan714]

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Connor Cook in the 1st round would be a bigger waste of a first rounder than Sullivan or Erxleben, wasn't expressed with him at all this season or during their *** kicking by Alabama

I agree to an extent but I am holding out on shoulder injury which is my number one concern. When you look at his game the kid has guts. maybe too much. he trust his WR which for the number of dropped passes is rather remarkable in itself.

Love the small things in his game that puts him light years ahead of ant QB drafted in a long time. Example: Varing his drop back speed no matter if it is a 3,5 or 7 step drop to allow routes to develop is one of the hardest thing for a QB to master. He has so many small things down pat it amazes me. That makes his coaching so much easier. QB take 3 to 5 years to just to get to the point they are doing it naturally. Almost all the basic fundamentals are there. Cook had some excellent coaching through out his career. high school thru college.

I believe sitting and studying behind Drew and the coaching of SP for a few years would be a solid move for him and the saints.

If the saints can trade back and still get the kid and picks I would be happy. If the media is right and he falls into the second I will be amazed and even more ecstatic if the saints grabbed him there.

He and Derek Carr are a lot alike. Except Cook is further long in his development by at least 3 to 5 years.

Crow in the fridge and waiting to be eaten.

[hagan714]

East-West Shrine Game Day 2 observations

» South Carolina State DT Javon Hargrave: He's undersized (6-foot-2, 295 pounds), but a quick and explosive player. He's flashed both days in the pass-rush drills and in the one-on-ones. And even in the team drills, you can see how quick his get-off is.

Mike Mayock ✔ @MikeMayock

EW Shrine day 2- Javon Hargrave- SCAR ST- quick and explosive / bubble butt / 1 gap and go...force me to watch his college tape tonight !

» Boston College safety Justin Simmons: He's not necessarily a highly rated kid but he might be able to play both safety and corner. He's big and strong, and I loved his tape against Notre Dame.

» Illinois safety Clayton Fejedelem: The kid's been all around the ball for two days now. He had 140 tackles this past season so you knew coming in that he was a tough guy. And he is. But it has been nice to see him around the ball, making plays in the passing game.

East-West Shrine Game Day 2 observations - NFL.com

Utah State wide receiver Hunter Sharp moves fast in everything he does. He's quick off the line, accelerates in his routes and shows burst at the top of routes. He needs to be more consistent catching the football, especially over the middle on slants and crossers, but his play speed stood out during drills

Florida Atlantic defensive tackle Trevon Coley has lived in the backfield during practice drills, using quick burst off the ball and a wide range of hand tactics to defeat interior linemen. He is shorter than ideal, but uses that natural leverage and lower body flexibility to dip past the shoulder of blockers, finishing with pop. Along with South Carolina State defensive tackle Javon Hargrave, Coley is a step above the other defensive linemen this week.

On more than one occasion, Michigan linebacker Joe Bolden drew “ooh's and ahh's” from the crowd, shooting gaps and blowing up the ballcarrier before he could hit the hole. He's very average from a size/speed standpoint, but Bolden is a ball magnet and doesn't play with hesitation, which is being noticed by the dozens of NFL scouts in attendance.

On day two of his transition to running back, Navy's Keenan Reynolds continued to impress catching the ball out of the backfield with quick, reliable hands. He also practiced as a punt returner.

2016 Shrine Game: Navy's Keenan Reynolds looks natural at RB - CBSSports.com


» Miami safety Deon Bush: Bush is a bigger safety than Byrd at 6-1, 205. He did a nice job today covering tight ends in one-on-one drills, and he should.

» Illinois RB Josh Ferguson: He is really quick. If you watch his change of direction, he really pops. I'm eager to go watch tape on him after seeing him here. I really liked watching him. He's kind of a third-down change-of-pace guy who needs to catch the football, and he does it effortlessly.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...3-observations

keep an eye on

Justin Simmons BC FS/SS 6024 201 4.59
Every year I try to keep a player as a surprise and .. well I guess I need to find another. Simmons was a solid enforcer for the golden eagles. good football IQ and a leader of one of the better defenses in 2015. Here is a player that could turn out to be a shocker when all said and done. He is your typical BC player. No none sense lunch pail toting fundamentally sound player. Do not buy into the CB position right now he is a long way away from being ready to play there right now. But as a safety he has all the skill sets one is looking for. vastly under rated.

Rotoworld's Josh Norris and CBS Sports' Dane Brugler both think. Brugler specifically says Simmons's best position in the NFL is free safety, calling the Eagles' star "fast and decisive in all directions, closing with purpose in coverage and as a run defender."

Here is were I go against the media, I think he fits the mold of a modern day SS in the pass happy NFL. As a safety with a solid combine he could go mid-second day and be a draft day shocker, maybe Day 3 at this point in time and I believe he would have to have a really bad showing all together to go as a UDFA. If he did he would be on speed dial 1. The kid is clean and i will go as far as saying resign FA safeties would be a mute issue

Key catch phrases
tackling machine, takes great angles, deep cover safety with good range, ball skills, and smarts on the back end. Typical BC kid: smart and disciplined vastly under rated

Josh Ferguson Illi 5094 195 4.47
Big 10 best kept ankle breaker secret of 2015. His running style reminds me of Darren Sproles,