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voodooido 03-02-2017 06:00 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 738138)
In this draft 1st rounder for Cooks is a great deal. If we can get 5th pick for Cooks that would be one of the best moves our front office has ever made. But I highly doubt that would happen. 18th pick is more realistic.
How in the world is trading a proven 1000 yard wr for a rd 1 "might be a stud" a good idea??????? If they don't get multiple picks then they got screwed.

Euphoria 03-02-2017 06:13 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 738188)
How in the world is trading a proven 1000 yard wr for a rd 1 "might be a stud" a good idea??????? If they don't get multiple picks then they got screwed.
It is what you do when you need to build a Defense. That WR is getting you 7-9 year after year. You have something that you can move up and take a chance on a rockstar that you can play more downs and be the corner stone/qb of your D you do it.

As good as he is... he isn't our #1 WR I would argue he isn't even our #2 guy. He is our deep threat guy only. We can get a player who is a STARTER not every few plays we insert him.

I love the idea!

ChrisXVI 03-02-2017 06:28 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Via Rotoworld...

Bleacher Report's Jason Cole has confirmed the Titans are trying to trade for Brandin Cooks. Cole's report is via a "Titans source." Tennessee seems like the clear favorite to land the explosive wideout, but the Saints are working on increasing their leverage. Coach Sean Payton has said any offer must be "substantial." It's looking more and more likely Cooks will no longer be a Saint this time next week.

brees84 03-02-2017 06:39 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 738188)
How in the world is trading a proven 1000 yard wr for a rd 1 "might be a stud" a good idea??????? If they don't get multiple picks then they got screwed.
"New England Patriots sent away edge defender Chandler Jones to the Arizona Cardinals in exchange for offensive guard Jonathan Cooper and a 2016 2nd round pick."

Cooper is colossal bust so is basically 2nd round pick for excellent edge rusher entering his prime.

New England Patriots didn't want to pay him big money. That's why he got traded.

Cooks is waiting for his payday also. Is he worth 12+mil per season (next offseason better WRs will get 10+ mil easily on the open market)? Not in our system.

I'll say again, first rounder for Cooks (in this draft) is very good deal.

rezburna 03-02-2017 06:42 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
They say Cooks is pushing for the trade. Get him tf out of here then.

dizzle88 03-02-2017 06:57 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 738144)
What a dumbass. Best play caller in the game, best QB in the game and you want out.


I guess those TD celebrations between Thomas and Snead were telling something about Cooks.
Most of us picked up on it.

When Thomas scored, Cooks would run off the field. Thomas was congratulated by everyone except Cooks.

When Cooks scored, Michael Thomas was the first one over there to congratulate him.

Cooks always seemed cocky in interviews, I thought maybe he just didn't like the media but after he complained after a 28 point win it spoke volumes.

Let him go to Tennessee, let him complain when Demarco Murray carries the ball too many times.

Saint in Aus 03-02-2017 07:00 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
The issue we have here, if the Cooks wanting out rumour is true, is he will have told the Titans he will walk next year if a trade doesn't get done. This gives some leverage back to the Titans to say "well if you don't accept our offer, we will wait to next year and get him for nothing".

If we bend over, I will be super pissed. I can see it happening.

voodooido 03-02-2017 07:08 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 738191)
"New England Patriots sent away edge defender Chandler Jones to the Arizona Cardinals in exchange for offensive guard Jonathan Cooper and a 2016 2nd round pick."

Cooper is colossal bust so is basically 2nd round pick for excellent edge rusher entering his prime.

New England Patriots didn't want to pay him big money. That's why he got traded.

Cooks is waiting for his payday also. Is he worth 12+mil per season (next offseason better WRs will get 10+ mil easily on the open market)? Not in our system.

I'll say again, first rounder for Cooks (in this draft) is very good deal.
Cooks will get a 5th year option next year. Roughly 6 million. We have 30 million to rebuild the defense. Don't mess up the offense to fix the defense. Would you take parts off one car to fix another if you owned and drove both? Makes no sense.

Beastmode 03-02-2017 07:10 PM
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What if LF runs a sub 4 then what. Would we really pass on him if we move to 5 and he's there? I know this sounds squirrel but I just don't see how we could roll our eyes and go defense. I just don't see it.

voodooido 03-02-2017 07:10 PM
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Why does everyone say he will walk next year???? Saints can pick up his option for like 6 million. Why not wait till next year to make the trade?????

saintsfan1976 03-02-2017 07:11 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Because you remove cancer. You don't let it sit there and grow.

dizzle88 03-02-2017 07:13 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 738198)
Cooks will get a 5th year option next year. Roughly 6 million. We have 30 million to rebuild the defense. Don't mess up the offense to fix the defense. Would you take parts off one car to fix another if you owned and drove both? Makes no sense.
But from recent reports, it sounds as though Cooks is a growing cancer in the locker room. I like team mates who like to see others succeed as well as the team, not complain that he didn't score or record a catch in a 28 point win. He didn't try to hide it either, he went straight to the media.

I'd agree with you if Cooks didn't pose a problem, but I think his attitude is detrimental to a team filled with young talent.

Euphoria 03-02-2017 07:15 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
hmmm, swap first rounders and a second or third?

ChrisXVI 03-02-2017 07:25 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
I forgot that at the end of the season we signed Corey Fuller off the Lions practice squad. I'm not saying he'll make us forget all about Cooks, but he's 6' 2" and runs a 4.34. I think he'll get a good look this offseason at being our deep threat.

voodooido 03-02-2017 07:33 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 738202)
But from recent reports, it sounds as though Cooks is a growing cancer in the locker room. I like team mates who like to see others succeed as well as the team, not complain that he didn't score or record a catch in a 28 point win. He didn't try to hide it either, he went straight to the media.

I'd agree with you if Cooks didn't pose a problem, but I think his attitude is detrimental to a team filled with young talent.
Reports from outside the locker room. Who knows where those rumors come from. Are they true? Maybe, either way don't get screwed over.

AllSaints 03-02-2017 07:44 PM
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Some of y'all acting like Brandon Cooks made Drew Bree's what he is and makes up the Saints offense....

Lord_Saint83 03-02-2017 08:14 PM
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Idk why people are so high on LF. If he was so good he would of lit up alabama each time they played but i think he averaged no more than 2.5 ypc at best one game. Id believe the hype if he did but he didn't and everyone knows alabama is as close to playing a nfl defense as it gets in college. And he is injury prone. Not top 5 material in my book.

RaginCajun83 03-02-2017 08:15 PM
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Don’t let all this Cooks trade talk distract you from the fact that 25 days ago the Falcons blew a 25 point lead and lost the SB

RaginCajun83 03-02-2017 08:16 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 738216)
Idk why people are so high on LF. If he was so good he would of lit up alabama each time they played but i think he averaged no more than 2.5 ypc at best one game. Id believe the hype if he did but he didn't and everyone knows alabama is as close to playing a nfl defense as it gets in college. And he is injury prone. Not top 5 material in my book.
Cook > LF7

The Dude 03-02-2017 08:28 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 738202)
But from recent reports, it sounds as though Cooks is a growing cancer in the locker room. I like team mates who like to see others succeed as well as the team, not complain that he didn't score or record a catch in a 28 point win. He didn't try to hide it either, he went straight to the media.

I'd agree with you if Cooks didn't pose a problem, but I think his attitude is detrimental to a team filled with young talent.
When has he complained other than that one time? Players blow off steam. They are competitive. Things are said in the heat of the moment. He even apologized. It's only a problem if it continues to happen. Did he say something else? I'm not being a dick, just haven't heard anything else from him. If he has done it again then I agree, they should let him go.

Rell&Gold 03-02-2017 08:41 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 738082)
Let's say we trade him to the Titans and swap first round picks... Would that be worth it having the #5 pick?
Trade him there for whom?

ChrisXVI 03-02-2017 08:47 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 738222)
Trade him there for whom?
I don't know. Right now it's sounding like the compensation would be their pick #18 plus a mid-round pick for Cooks.

ScottF 03-02-2017 08:58 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Coleman had 26 catches last year
With a Cooks trade Coleman becomes the number 3. F*** that.
Number 4 from last year? That's TL Lewis, with SEVEN catches. #5? No one. No other WR had a catch
If we are not getting an first and third this is a really bad deal for us
We have # 11 and # 43 and 35 million. Fix the defense with that.

Rell&Gold 03-02-2017 08:58 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 738121)
I don't know... I think that would be a pretty good deal. Cooks isn't THAT great. Cooks and pick 11 for pick 5 and a 3rd rounder.
Hell naw, Brandin Cooks is worth a first round pick, by that I mean us gaining their #5 spot and retaining our #11 and 2nd or 3rd and maybe a player his production speaks for itself, but I wouldn't be fast on the trigger unless we could FOR CERTAIN replace that production or more.

AllSaints 03-02-2017 09:04 PM
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Free agency is coming I doubt Coleman would be our #3 if we do trade cooks...

MarchingOn 03-02-2017 09:08 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 738097)
I was thinking the same thing.
That year, should have traded down and taken WR Landry in the 2nd (still there when we picked developmental CB and bust SJB).

Also, WRs taken by GB were there much lower in the draft...Abbrederis (5th #176)and Janis (7th #236).

Super deep in WR in 2014 and we trade up?

44Champs 03-02-2017 09:28 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
For those of you defending Cooks, the report says that he's the one pushing for the trade. That's a sign of a crappy attitude right there. What else does he have to do to show his true colors.? Pull an albert connell or worse,a joe horn?

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Beastmode 03-02-2017 09:54 PM
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He wants to be one of the "greatest". Not going to happen on this team. If he leaves though he's going to be even more unhappy. He likely will get more targets but those targets will miss the mark more.

jeanpierre 03-02-2017 10:01 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 738127)
Then hope we don't get decimated by injuries again.
No freaking kidding; we're about to blow up the best set of WR triplets in the league, all under 23 years old with good health...

Quote:
Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 738128)
If there was a way we could get multiple picks, or manage to keep our 11th and get the titans 5th pick I'd be all for it. Two 1st rounders in a defensive heavy draft could be huge for us.
Payton spent a 1st and a 3rd to get him; Cooks is 23 yo, back-to-back 1100 ReYd seasons with at least 6 ReTD's per - Return should be the 5th pick AND a 3R pick...

No freakin' less - Do you here me Loomis you putz? Don't give it up easy, Nancy!

In fact, the Mickster should excuse himself from the room and let Ireland & the adults with balls close the deal...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 738135)
This made us forget about Jairus Byrd pretty quickly lol.
Actually, immediately thought of Byrd and his replacement likely there at pick No. 5 pick - Malik Hooker or Jamal Adams (scratch Adams, he's from LSU)...

Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 738136)
I wanted that freakin' #5 pick to begin with. The #5 gives so much more leverage in the draft, coupled with the #11 your able to basically move back at other teams expense and get the players and picks that you actually target. Ireland can put together a D fairly well, and if losing Cook to get us there I'm all in. We need cb.'s, NT, DE, S and an OLB, some of this will come from FA but the draft is deep at DE, CB, and S and I look to see some true upgrades at CB this season in the draft. I also think Colemans progress made Cook tradeable. Now I hope Vaccarro gets a turn on the trading block.
'Weenie, you crack me up - You made a valid statement about Cooks' worth, then you went all Madden Football Insane and want to blow up the team in one draft...

Quote:
Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 738165)
#18 Taco Charlton SDE Michigan 6052 272 4.87 #33 Sr, backed up by #44 T.J. Watt SOLB/ILB/DE/TE Wisconsin 6042 243 4.65 #42 rJr would complete change the weakness on the strong side of the defense Now while we are at it lets trade Stephone Anthony also this is nutz
Pittsburgh or Green Bay will reach for Watt at the end of the first round unless he has an abysmal combine...

jeanpierre 03-02-2017 10:14 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
All of a sudden, this looks like a possibility > No. 44 (R2, 12) WR Cooper Kupp, E. Washington; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 198 lbs.

voodooido 03-02-2017 10:44 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Seeing the titans don't have a rd 2 pick I would want this years rd 1,3 and 4 or this years rd 1,3 and next years 4 and 6

jeanpierre 03-02-2017 10:48 PM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 734818)
Possible trades, moves this offseason?

Mark Ingram isn't going anywhere unless Payton takes Dalvin Cook or Leonard Fournette, and even then, in today's NFL, and if we and they learned anything from the Seattle Quakebowl, you've got to have two running backs...Ingram isn't going anywhere unless he has a meltdown, he's playing out his contract...

Reality is we have two superior left tackles in Terron Armstead and Andrus Peat; Andrus Peat proved he's a terrific left tackle and really good left guard; Armstead has terrific value, when healthy; with several superior guard free agents, we could get a No. 1 for Armstead, but it'd be easier to sign a Right Guard (Kevin Zeitler) and draft another tackle. But the Saints front office could make a Real Jedi Move by moving Armstead for a first round pick (e,g, San Diego, Denver, Houston, and Seattle) and signing both RG Kevin Zeitler and LG Andrew Norwell and spreading the cap savings along the entire offensive line...

Moving SS Kenny Vaccaro might be possible; he's always been considered to have a high ceiling in the league, even if he hasn't produced consistently as hoped and with Jabril Peppers likely to play SS in the NFL and still in our current draft range in round 1, that's certainly a possibility...

Let me say it'd be completely asinine to trade Bradin Cooks, but the one doubt about his future in my mind could be the public airing of his grievances about his touches may not have sat well; the same behaviour got Stills traded, but this is Cooks and though Payton claims all players are equal, this is the NFL and even the Saints know the rules don't apply equally to all players because some players are more equal than others; Cooks value would never be higher and he's got a rookie option year coming up...

Hau'oli Kikaha and Stephone Anthony are two other possibilities; they are better fits as 3-4 linebackers; problem is, both are coming off of injured reserve and they haven't gotten off to great starts (but saavy teams no it's because the Saints stink at defense and using talent on defense); one of 'em could be packaged with our first to move up to say No. 5 or with our second round pick to move into the back of the first (which would be my preference); If I had my choice, I keep and coach up Anthony who I feel just needs a really good coach (calling Dr. Nolan?) and he could be just as good in D.A.'s 4-3, and I trade Kikaha who's doesn't have the frame to play 4-3 end nor the speed to cover as a 4-3 OLB; he's a 3-4 rush linebacker and teams like the Steelers, Broncos, et al would welcome someone with his skill set...
I take it back, I take it all back, I'm sorry... Don't break up the best WR corps in the league!!!

voodooido 03-02-2017 11:03 PM
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How about Sheldon Richardson and a rd 3 pick? I know I'm just speculating but the jets want to move him, Marshall is getting cut and decker man not play another down.

lee909 03-03-2017 01:55 AM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Cooks got 1100 yards

Brees can get mostvplayers over the 1000 yards mark even as a number 2 or 3 option
Stills,Moore but have close to 1000 yards playing second fiddle to Graham and Colston.


Snead needs re-signed to work with Thomas then more important than Cooks will be a speedy deep threat (Henderson) and a speedy RB out the backfield

SmashMouth 03-03-2017 06:36 AM
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Cruize 03-03-2017 06:40 AM
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The Saints can't pay him the salary he will command. Thanks goodness. He's not worth it. Take a 2nd and smile all the way.

jeanpierre 03-03-2017 07:45 AM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 738253)
The Saints can't pay him the salary he will command. Thanks goodness. He's not worth it. Take a 2nd and smile all the way.
A second for who? Cooks?

lee909 03-03-2017 07:51 AM
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If we accepted a 2nd for him we would be getting robbed
Id consider a second for Vaccaro though

halloween 65 03-03-2017 07:55 AM
Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 738232)
No freaking kidding; we're about to blow up the best set of WR triplets in the league, all under 23 years old with good health...



Payton spent a 1st and a 3rd to get him; Cooks is 23 yo, back-to-back 1100 ReYd seasons with at least 6 ReTD's per - Return should be the 5th pick AND a 3R pick...

No freakin' less - Do you here me Loomis you p*ssy-putz?

In fact, the Mickster should excuse himself from the room and let Ireland & the adults with balls close the deal...



Actually, immediately thought of Byrd and his replacement likely there at pick No. 5 pick - Malik Hooker or Jamal Adams (scratch Adams, he's from LSU)...



'Weenie, you crack me up - You made a valid statement about Cooks' worth, then you went all Madden Football Insane and want to blow up the team in one draft...



Pittsburgh or Green Bay will reach for Watt at the end of the first round unless he has an abysmal combine...
I really don't get how I crack you up but ok, Fairley unsigned will test FA= my want for a NT that can slide in and play NT and DT I might not be as big of a Fairley fan as you, our glass cb.s should speak for themselves not seeing the field and being in the tub club all year, S- Byrd being released and not sure Harper has much left to offer, OLB is a need with cover skills, and a DE thats not a one trick pony, we need one that contains and don't get smothered rushing the passer, as far as Vaccarro= overrated and he still is but if it cracks you up I'm good with it. I just look at a 28th ranked D.

rezburna 03-03-2017 08:11 AM
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Brandon Marshall is being cut. I'll take another big body receiver to pair with Thomas for a little while in a heartbeat. He's what the Saints prefer anyway. We can sign Cordarelle Patterson or Marquis Goodwin to stretch the field.


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