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Players after big seasons most often disappoint the next season. Todd Gurley, Allen Robinson, Allen Hurns, Eric Decker, CJ Anderson. They always happen.

And defense WILL be game planning for Thomas. I didn't think Thomas was anything like AJ Green or Jones last year, he was good because of his role. But he was no deep threat. And who's going to fill those shoes left by Cooks. The week 1 game against the raiders, the week 6 game against Carolina. The week 15 game against Arizona. The week 10 game against Denver. Who won those games for us or almost?

Coleman better be ready. Because he's gonna be needed a lot next year.

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Philly is not changing their system...not sure where you pulled that out of 😉

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Would much rather have the wr we could get at 14. Control his salary for 4 years. Williams/Davis, big receivers, both have higher ceiling ...esp Davis

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We'll be fine. We never had a WR like Cooks. We actually do better with a bunch of average Joes just happy to be starting on a team with no attitude about touches. Look at the Pats this year, their WR's were hot and cold all season. Nobody said a word and none of them are that special. Edelman man only had 3 TDs.

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great.
a D-heavy draft in '17 and we're asking for picks in '18

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I guess we'll see what comes to fruition. But if Cooks wants out, show him the door while getting compensated fairly. The current staff has never cared for "me first" players and had gotten rid of them quickly.

The next week should be entertaining to say the least.

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One of the announcers at the Combine had the Saints on the LF short list. Really? Not even sure how they came to that conclusion. I will say though Blount sure did give Brady a lot of relief this season. 18TD for Blount. Sure makes the job of an older QB a hell of a lot easier.

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2013-2015 average joes worked just fine.

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That's Ingram's job to do since he's the "Blount" of our team.

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Ingram is no 240lb Blount. Ingram can do a lot of things good. Blount can't do all that but he does do one thing great; scored TD's almost every single game on the GL. Only 3 games he did not score.

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Ive said before about Ingram
I kike him but he is a bit of a jack of all trades RB. He can do everything but nothing to an exceptional level. He doesnt have the speed of the top backs or the power of the biggest. Ive often thought we could do with a monster back there for short yardage. A Blount,Jacobs type. Once the get their feet moving they are getting 2 to 3 yards wether you like it or not

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Everyone has been talking about the Saints being more of a run team to prolong the life of Brees. We trade cooks for a rd 1 this year and mutiple next. Dreaft LF7 at 11 and defense with the other rd1 and 2.

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He wont be there at 11 imo

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre http://blackandgold.com/bngforum/buttons/viewpost.gif

It's a first and Kendricks (Philly is changing their scheme)...We traded our first (R1,27th & R3,91st to get the 20th pick (850 net) and select Cooks, then you factor the pro Cooks has become and his proven production, age, etc...

Cooks is now an established, proven, elite receiver and opposite Jordan Matthews, keep the heat on 'em and get the 15th pick from 'em (Minnesota's pick) and then you can really jump start the defense, or trade that 15th pick down and pick up even more in this incredible draft...

The change came when Kelly got the boot and after Kendricks signed the big deal. Pressure is placed on the DL not the LB as it was with Kelly. This is not using Kendricks to maximize his skill set. Thus making that big contract unjustifiable.

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unless all this Cooks trade stuff is to get pick 5.

The move makes no sense. LF running style would require the saints to redo their thinking on the OL. We are not a power run scheme team. The OL is built for zone blocking. I do not think LF would do well running behind a zone scheme. Brooks? sure

All this after taking the one WR that had the skill set to get teams out of playing 8 in the box?

Sounds like the saints would be painting themselves into a corner on the offensive side of the ball while keeping the defense in the dumpster.

It makes no sense to me unless FA money goes into the right side of the line and we get some speed at WR to take the top off a defense.

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As much as id love to redress the rosters RBs there are more pressing needs
Id be a bit disapointed if we got an extra 1st and used it on a RB this year. Next year id be ok with if a few holes were fixed.

I prefer run first football with a strong D but i think them days are gone.
The league rules changes have made a Baltimore early 00 D impossible. Its about getting playmakers in the backfield and pressure in the front 7 these days imo. rush the passer and have the players capable of turnovers ready to capitalise in the backfield

Unforunatley we have neither. So get the front 7 sorted,get another couple of DBs and get the O line stronger is the best place to start

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I agree. I don't see why so many people think Leonard Fournette is a good choice this year. I agree he's a polarizing and exciting player, but the needs on defense are more important. And you're right, the offensive line is built for zone running. It doesn't make sense to draft him. Mark Ingram has played plenty well enough to utilize as our regular back. If we drafted Fournette, then Mark Ingram would need to be traded. There's no point to making him a third down back or something. And no point in drafting Fournette to be a short yardage back.

IMO, the focus needs to be on the defensive line, LBs and secondary. Maybe even the offensive line. We have huge holes and question marks all over those.

RB is not a need right now.

I'm not going to piss and moan if they draft Fournette, but they better have big plans to do something about the gaping holes on defense if they go that route. We already know that a really good offense and a ****ty defense won't get you more then 7-9.

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But is Payton going to actually run the ball more?

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Actually that's one of Ingram's srengths. Scoring at the goal line. They just don't always run it in or have used the likes of Hightower, Cadet, or Kuhn or some gadget run play by Fleener.

The saints just do not commit to Ingram like that.

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Not one mention of Jimmy Garroppolo in this thread, not saying it is but Payton might be wanting this 1st round pick to hand over to NE for him, just another thing I could possibly see happening instead of drafting a qb.

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I wouldnt want to give them a 1st for a man with one year left on his deal. If Drew stays he walks

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If he wants to keep Brees he will. No way Brees can continue this pace more than 2 more years. Drew attempted 676 passes last year. Ryan was right at #2 with 534. That's a big difference

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I thought this was a Cooks "trade talk" thread?

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John Hendrix @JohnJHendrix
I'm told that the #Saints asking price for Brandin Cooks this year is a 1st for 2017 and picks for 2018, per source.
4:20 PM - 3 Mar 2017

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Makes sense
More chance getting better additional picks if they are in 2018
Can still trade them to get needs this year if the need is there. It would be nice to go into 2018 with a few extra picks in the bag

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Why? look at Brees' sack and times hit last year. Way down. Plus he took every snap. Our really "bad" o-line was 5th in sacks against in '16 and 8th in '15

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I remember Bill Belichick said some realy nice things about Cooks after our joint practices and preseason game.

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Now the World Champs (assuming reports are accurate) are included for the services of Cooks?? Not a stellar 2017 WR draft class either. I hope the Saints play hard ball because it's a sellers market.

As I stated earlier, only accept top dollar (1st/mid rd picks) for any trade scenario.

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The more teams interested the better

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Patriots could easily sweeten that deal.

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Theyd have to give up alot of picks

Its not like they have many players to sweeten the deal
They have a tonne of FA that would have been interesting and have 70ml in cap space. I cant see the Pats giving up loads of picks and i think to accept the 32 the Sainst are going to want a 2/3 or 1st in 18

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I'd take any offer that involved a 1st round pick. Cooks ain't a franchise QB so you can forget multiple high picks. With the Pats #32 pick we'd potentially be able to package that with #11 to trade up close to the top 5 if we wanted a shot at an elite prospect.

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We can get a mid round 1st for him so no way i take 32nd pick

We got 31 and Unger for Graham and he was on a big paid deal

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We've got too many holes and I don't like the idea of putting all our eggs in one basket...

I'd rather have a DE like a Malik McDowell, Jordan Willis, or even a Tanoh Passagnon and take one of top 5 safeties and/or one of the top 8 CBs - get some talent all over the field on defense...

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Plus?

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Come on we are smarter than this. We traded a mid/late rd 1 and a rd 3 to move up 4 spots and get cooks!!!!! You think we would take the #32 pick? Besides, Pats always trade back, not up.