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jeanpierre 04-15-2018 11:38 PM
Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 798585)
DL is a reach & 27.
Taven Bryan, Maurice Hurst, Da'ron Payne wouldn't be reaches.

Bryan is the best ceiling of the bunch, with Hurst having cardiac questions and Payne limited as a pass rusher...

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 798585)
Probably have to do it but man, I would love to have Gesicki. Our TE's are ok but down the stretch it really hurt us. Need a EZ big body target.
I'd be p^ssed if we took Gesicki were Taven Bryan or Leighton Vander Esch still on the board; our front seven on defense is still way too light. But I'd prefer to move back a few spots at that point and then take NT Harrison Phillips or TE Mike Gesicki.

You're right about the big target problem on third down and red zone attempts, and signing Cameron Meredith will go a long way in solving the big target dilemma.

You don't always have to solve that problem with Tight End.

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 798585)
Rest of the draft will be excellent value with all the QB's going early. No reason we can't land a couple of starters again.
Definitely. We need to upgrade opposite Cam Jordan - that should be our priority in this draft.

And I'm not sold at all on the Demario Davis signing - one good season and now will uproot and reestablish in yet another defense?

I'd prefer Leighton Vander Esch if he somehow fell to us...

jeanpierre 04-15-2018 11:43 PM
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ChrisXVI 04-16-2018 05:58 AM
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Listening to Matt Miller’s “Stick to Football” podcast and they’re running through a first round mock draft... They have the Saints getting DT Vita Vea. I didn’t really think it would be possible for him to still be on the board when we pick but now I can kind of see it happening. How much do teams view him as just a two-down NT? Those guys tend to go later than expected.

AsylumGuido 04-16-2018 06:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 798595)
Taven Bryan, Maurice Hurst, Da'ron Payne wouldn't be reaches.

Bryan is the best ceiling of the bunch, with Hurst having cardiac questions and Payne limited as a pass rusher...



I'd be p^ssed if we took Gesicki were Taven Bryan or Leighton Vander Esch still on the board; our front seven on defense is still way too light. But I'd prefer to move back a few spots at that point and then take NT Harrison Phillips or TE Mike Gesicki.

You're right about the big target problem on third down and red zone attempts, and signing Cameron Meredith will go a long way in solving the big target dilemma.

You don't always have to solve that problem with Tight End.



Definitely. We need to upgrade opposite Cam Jordan - that should be our priority in this draft.

And I'm not sold at all on the Demario Davis signing - one good season and now will uproot and reestablish in yet another defense?

I'd prefer Leighton Vander Esch if he somehow fell to us...
Don't forget he'll have Nolan as his coach here. He very well may be better than ever.

ChrisXVI 04-16-2018 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 798604)
Don't forget he'll have Nolan as his coach here. He very well may be better than ever.
That’s a very good point AG. Davis is very intelligent and has the great athleticism to go with it. I guarantee Mike Nolan ID’d him as the guy he wants leading the LB group.

ChrisXVI 04-16-2018 07:15 AM
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Sean Payton: No QB prospects as good as Luck or Wentz in this draft – ProFootballTalk

“I don’t see Luck in this draft, and I don’t see Carson Wentz, who I liked a lot coming into the draft,” Payton said. “I’d feel a little bit uneasy if I were at the top of this draft and I decided I had to have a quarterback. The pressure to get a quarterback is so great in this league, I get that. But we can’t create ’em. I wouldn’t be surprised if only one of these guys is left standing in four or five years, and if so, I’d guess it would be Sam Darnold.”

Maybe we can put to bed any speculation about trading up for a QB... and no I don’t think this is a smokescreen.

jeanpierre 04-16-2018 07:19 AM
Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 798604)
Don't forget he'll have Nolan as his coach here. He very well may be better than ever.
Yes, that's fair and important distinction to make as I've often beat the drum for Nolan myself...

Still, not sold on this signing and the amount of money involved - have to wait to be proven wrong in the Fall which I'd gladly embrace as a Saints Fan...

jeanpierre 04-16-2018 07:19 AM
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Why is he running at the mouth now? Jedi mind tricks often back-fire at this time...

jeanpierre 04-16-2018 09:26 AM
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K Major 04-16-2018 10:00 AM
Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 798595)

And I'm not sold at all on the Demario Davis signing - one good season and now will uproot and reestablish in yet another defense?
Davis has excellent character, smarts & physical tools at the position. Also 100% committed to winning. And he never misses games. From Jets blog readings, his game has gotten better over the last 3 years in coverage. Overall DD was ranked as the #9 LB. That's head and shoulders above anything we have now + he has sideline to sideline speed & often arrives with bad intentions.

Dude just has a Ben Watson vibe about him. What's not to like about Demario :confused:?

Sarik 04-16-2018 11:24 AM
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https://twitter.com/draftcampbell/st...435564033?s=21

ChrisXVI 04-16-2018 11:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarik (Post 798654)
Now that’s interesting.

"To me, he's a third-round talent, but probably will go higher," said an AFC general manager. "He has gotten a lot of hype, but he plays soft. He's too much like Paul Posluszny for me. He's a good player and will have a lot of tackles, but most of them will come four yards downfield. He's not an impact-at-the-line guy like a Ray Lewis, Luke Kuechly, Jon Beason or Brian Urlacher."

K Major 04-16-2018 11:53 AM
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I always felt Vander Esch was a 2nd rd prospect. The comparisons he is getting to Urlacher is a bit extreme. For some scouts ranking this guy ahead of Rashaan Evans is a head scratcher for me. Look at Vander's body of work ... nothing screams "1st round talent".

If he's there in the 3rd, totally different conversation.

jeanpierre 04-16-2018 04:08 PM
Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 798659)
I always felt Vander Esch was a 2nd rd prospect. The comparisons he is getting to Urlacher is a bit extreme. For some scouts ranking this guy ahead of Rashaan Evans is a head scratcher for me. Look at Vander's body of work ... nothing screams "1st round talent".

If he's there in the 3rd, totally different conversation.
See and I'm concerned about Evans because of his refusal to run for scouts, even when scouts returned for a second pro day with the expectation he'd run...

Then Evans was surrounded with four and five star recruits at Alabama that could mask his mistakes, inabilities on that terrific Bama defense...

Whereas Vander Esch has gone from heavy slot WR to TE to MLB in three seasons, with significant progression at Boise State...

But again, I go back to the fact that scouts came a second time with purpose of seeing him run and he declined - very concerning...

And I'd agree that Vander Esch and Urlacher are two different linebackers and that the game has now evolved more to Vander Esch style vs Urlacher who'd struggled as the game became more about passing...

jeanpierre 04-16-2018 04:18 PM
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CheramieIII 04-16-2018 04:50 PM
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Malik McDowell - Seattle Seahawks - 2018 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

jeanpierre 04-16-2018 04:51 PM
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Let the draft tomfoolery, mind games and f*ckery begin...

jeanpierre 04-16-2018 05:27 PM
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May want to give Sam Hubbard a little more love...

jeanpierre 04-16-2018 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 798690)
Now we know why the Saints spend the money they do on Internal Security and Information...

Off the charts talent, but can't get his head out of his arse...

jeanpierre 04-16-2018 07:47 PM
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SmashMouth 04-16-2018 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 798713)
He "smuggled" a decent amount of yards and big plays. A dang shame he was never named to the ProBowl; this says something about the ProBowl selection process.

st thomas 04-16-2018 08:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 797108)
Let me first say this, born & raised in Lafourche/Terrebonne Parishes, I was raised a SEC fan, not just LSU...

In fact my Mom, from MS, had me pull for Ole Miss and she worked for Tulane Docs so I also pulled for the Green Wave...

More an Ole SEC house - a team that has the best shot to make the most national noise is who our house pulled for late in the season...

So growing up in the 70s and 80s - we pulled for a lot of Bama teams in December and January...

That said, Alabama players, especially under Saban, have always made me nervous...

Many are not overly impressive individually, often because they have such great teams year in, year out...

Many of the individual flaws, whether mental or physical are masked in their Bama film because of their surrounding superior level of talent...

Now I'm not saying Bama doesn't produce any elite players - it's just that it's not every prospect from Bama deserves the draft cache the Bama propaganda generates...

That said - I get what some of you say this year about getting a DT, LB or S at a high level of physical talent, and Bama has guys graded well at those positions...

Several of the Bama guys coming out, specifically Evans, Payne and Harrison, will be good solid pros, I just don't think they're first or early second round guys if they came from a Purdue or Syracuse or Virginia...

In contrast, take Vander Esch who wasn't surrounded with talent; he started out as a walk-on as a slot receiver or tight end; then moved to linebacker; his game progressed, made errors, rarely repeated the same errors; he worked his butt off physically to become an elite prospect...

When you look at players that come out of these, well, factories - Bama, Ohio St, Virginia Tech, LSU, you've got to factor how that player is going to perform when everyone in the NFL is just as fast and strong...

How fast they learn, how fast they react, how fast they adjust...

Not running at your second pro day may not seem like that big of a deal, but go back to just last year when Foster played the "do you know who I am card" in the middle of one of the biggest processes of his career - now we know it was symptomatic of someone hiding something...

Anyways, that's why I've pushed back on some of the Bama guys and why I'm hesistant to jump on board with taking anyone other than Minkah in the first round...

With this year's group, I like the idea of taking CB Levi Wallace or C Brad Bozeman in the latter rounds where their floors are a given and the investment is not quite as high...
makes sense to me what u are sayin, it levels the playing field to some stars coming out of the bama,s lsu,s ohio sts when they hit the talent in the nfl.

st thomas 04-16-2018 09:00 PM
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could he rock all and pick up arden key in the 3rd? keep him close to home and put body guards left and right of him. he keeps saying the black and gold like him.

jeanpierre 04-17-2018 06:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarik (Post 798654)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 798655)
Now that’s interesting.

"To me, he's a third-round talent, but probably will go higher," said an AFC general manager. "He has gotten a lot of hype, but he plays soft. He's too much like Paul Posluszny for me. He's a good player and will have a lot of tackles, but most of them will come four yards downfield. He's not an impact-at-the-line guy like a Ray Lewis, Luke Kuechly, Jon Beason or Brian Urlacher."
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K Major 04-17-2018 08:53 AM
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A big, disruptive human. I'll be curious to see how Tim's game translates at the NFL level.

jeanpierre 04-17-2018 10:04 AM
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jeanpierre 04-17-2018 10:05 AM
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Tim Settle has only had one year of playing within weight, reminds me of another third round draft pick the Saints had...

Nose Tackle who's background I'd really like to investigate is No. 147 (R5, 11) NT Du’Vonta Lampkin, Oklahoma; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 335 lbs...

Scouting reports show major flags regarding maturity, getting it done with the books, and other off-the-field issues - I'd like to get an accurate picture...

On film, he's one of the strongest NT that can hold the point of attack that I've seen in this class...

K Major 04-17-2018 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 798782)
Tim Settle has only had one year of playing within weight, reminds me of another third round draft pick the Saints had...
Don't :laser: the messenger. Just adding Tim to the list of players that I may have missed pre draft.

Side note - I wanted Brandon Williams but Ryan Pace & his brain trust thought Jenkins aka The Big Marshmallow was the answer :rolleyes:.

ChrisXVI 04-17-2018 12:31 PM
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The Josh Sweat Miracle: From Leg 'Snapped in Half' to Fastest DE in the Draft

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...medium=website

Very interesting article on a very intriguing first round sleeper prospect. Worth a read even if you don’t want to draft him.

jeanpierre 04-17-2018 06:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 798784)
Don't :laser: the messenger. Just adding Tim to the list of players that I may have missed pre draft.

Side note - I wanted Brandon Williams but Ryan Pace & his brain trust thought Jenkins aka The Big Marshmallow was the answer :rolleyes:.
;)

jeanpierre 04-17-2018 06:08 PM
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Sarik 04-18-2018 03:33 AM
Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 798681)
See and I'm concerned about Evans because of his refusal to run for scouts, even when scouts returned for a second pro day with the expectation he'd run...

Then Evans was surrounded with four and five star recruits at Alabama that could mask his mistakes, inabilities on that terrific Bama defense...

Whereas Vander Esch has gone from heavy slot WR to TE to MLB in three seasons, with significant progression at Boise State...

But again, I go back to the fact that scouts came a second time with purpose of seeing him run and he declined - very concerning...

And I'd agree that Vander Esch and Urlacher are two different linebackers and that the game has now evolved more to Vander Esch style vs Urlacher who'd struggled as the game became more about passing...

im with you. especially when he said he would run at the second pro day. that rubbed me the wrong way. dont get me wrong i’d still be just fine if we took him at 27 but there is concerns. I wouldnt mind Shaun Dion Hamilton later on. he played just as good and maybe a better coverage guy. but the knee injuries afe concerning and of course the reason why he’ll go later

Sarik 04-18-2018 03:37 AM
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*are

jeanpierre 04-18-2018 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Sarik (Post 798860)
im with you. especially when he said he would run at the second pro day. that rubbed me the wrong way. dont get me wrong i’d still be just fine if we took him at 27 but there is concerns. I wouldnt mind Shaun Dion Hamilton later on. he played just as good and maybe a better coverage guy. but the knee injuries are concerning and of course the reason why he’ll go later
Jerry Rice had a less than stellar 40 and he ran away with the receiving record books - yet another argument for drills to be done in pads, with a football...

Unless he ran a horrific 40, the most disconcerting part of this was a second planned opportunity to compete and you duck and dodge - major red flag...

It's just a bit unsettling as he was high school teammates with Reuben Foster (Auburn HS) as well as college and I'm hearing some of the same squelch...

K Major 04-18-2018 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 798867)

It's just a bit unsettling as he was high school teammates with Reuben Foster (Auburn HS) as well as college and I'm hearing some of the same squelch...
C'mon JP, that ain't fair to Rashaan. It goes by each individual player. You don't let the school do the vetting for you.

Just keep your fingers crossed this kid doesn't end up in Carolina, Tampa Bay, Atlanta or even the Lambs. *Gulp*

ChrisXVI 04-18-2018 08:13 AM
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I’ve never heard a single negative thing about Rashaan Evans’s character or work ethic.

CheramieIII 04-18-2018 08:52 AM
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R1 P27 DE Arden Key, LSU

R3 P27 TE Mike Geisicki, Penn State

R4 P27 DT Derrick Brown, Auburn

R5 P10 WR Daurice Fountain, Northern Iowa

R5 P27 G/C Sean Welsh, Iowa

R6 P15 CB Issac Yiadom, Boston College

R6 P27 OT Greg Senat, Wagner

R7 P27 DE Ade Aruna, Tulane

K Major 04-18-2018 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 798879)
R1 P27 DE Arden Key, LSU
https://media0.giphy.com/media/xUA7a...tphS/giphy.gif

ChrisXVI 04-18-2018 09:16 AM
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Just imagine if the one time we draft a LSU player it’s the one that 98% of us don’t want! We’ve had at least three meetings with him.

jeanpierre 04-18-2018 03:35 PM
Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 798872)
C'mon JP, that ain't fair to Rashaan. It goes by each individual player. You don't let the school do the vetting for you.

Just keep your fingers crossed this kid doesn't end up in Carolina, Tampa Bay, Atlanta or even the Lambs. *Gulp*
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 798874)
I’ve never heard a single negative thing about Rashaan Evans’s character or work ethic.
Hey, when scouts come back a second time for the expressed, conveyed intent of seeing you run a 40 - you run the 40...

And there's all types of character flaws - I'm just questioning his decision making and likely deferment to an agent to not run a 40...

Get what y'all are saying about judging him vs Foster, but if you're gonna say "Hey, I'm from 'Bama" - then it should work both ways...

I think he'll be a fine linebacker, just not a first round linebacker; and I was nervous when we didn't jump the ATL for Vic Beasley - and we found the Kryptonite for that, so I'm not sweating Evans going to a division rival...

Pittsburgh will likely snatch him up anyways...


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