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Sarik 03-27-2018 12:15 PM
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Surprised there hasn’t been more discussion on Fred Warner(LB, BYU)

Day 2-3 guy who could be a perfect WILL for the Saints. Flying under the radar for sure thus far. Check em out if ya haven’t

Sarik 03-27-2018 12:31 PM
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As for Uchenna Nwosu...i tweeted about him on January 29th bc i loved what i saw but couldn’t help but be curious about how he would look standing up. forgot to put SAM LB in but that might be his better fit....

K Major 03-27-2018 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarik (Post 796783)
Surprised there hasn’t been more discussion on Fred Warner(LB, BYU)

Day 2-3 guy who could be a perfect WILL for the Saints. Flying under the radar for sure thus far. Check em out if ya haven’t
Sarik,
I like Fred as well. The Saints had a formal interview with him during Senior Bowl week. He moves around like a safety. Looks good in zone coverage too.

jeanpierre 03-27-2018 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 796564)
Saints FO ... due diligence on Arden. 1st rounder? Highly unlikely.

One too many red flags with this guy.
Biggest Flag is attitude; only he can fix it and usually that doesn't happen.

But physically? He's less than imposing.

I want our first rounder to come in and start or play heavy minutes in sub-packages...

K Major 03-27-2018 02:48 PM
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Jeff Holland aka "Sensei Mudd" ... good prospect and can be had in later rounds (3-5) of the draft.

Utah_Saint 03-27-2018 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 796726)
I watched his games. He was Kuechly-esque when defending the run.
I never know how well anybody will transition into the NFL but he was a stud at Boise State. I remember one game when the Broncos need a defensive stand, he got a stuff on first down, a tackle for a loss on second and a pass defense on third.

He could just take over games.

ChrisXVI 03-28-2018 07:58 AM
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Pro Day - Wagner & Southern Utah | Draft Analyst

It’s been a very busy lead-up to the draft for Wagner tackle Gregory Senat after he starred at the Shrine Game and performed well during the Combine. Today Senat worked out in front of 18 teams on hand for pro day.

The athletic tackle ran the 40 again and timed under 5.2 on a number of watches. He looked terrific in position drills, which were run by Baltimore Ravens assistant offensive line coach Rich Angulo.

Senat, projected as a mid-round pick, met extensively with the New Orleans Saints last night.

ChrisXVI 03-28-2018 09:10 AM
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R1 P27- TE Hayden Hurst, South Carolina

I’ve seen different reports that various GM’s and personnel guys around the league view Hayden Hurst as the only real first round TE prospect. He’s the most well-rounded and pro ready. We need a guy who can block so that rules out Mike Gesicki and Mark Andrews.

R3 P27- WR Cedrick Wilson, Boise State

R4 P27- LB Genard Avery, Memphis

R5 P10- DE Kylie Fitts, Utah

R5 P27- SS Siran Neal, Jacksonville State

R6 P15- OT Greg Senat, Wagner

R6 P27- CB Linden Stephens, Cincinnati

R7 P27- C Brian Allen, Michigan

K Major 03-28-2018 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 796753)
Mike Triplett
@MikeTriplett
High praise for Lamar Jackson from Sean Payton: “I like him, I like him. Hes athletic. Hes got a magic smile to him. Hes a leader. ... He’s a special guy. You just have to be around him and interview him and you can see why he was successful.” Said next QB won’t be “Brees clone”
6:33 AM · Mar 27, 2018

That last part is telling to me. Everyone just kind of expects us to go after a pocket passer, West Coast offense kind of QB.
My initial thought when I read this was a Lamar J smokescreen but then I remembered Sean spoke highly of P Mahommes last year. That was clearly no smokescreen.

Mike Thomas, Kamara, Jackson ... that's a lot of firepower on offense. If Lamar is there at 27 ... what do you do?

rezburna 03-28-2018 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 796911)
My initial thought when I read this was a Lamar J smokescreen but then I remembered Sean spoke highly of P Mahommes last year. That was clearly no smokescreen.

Mike Thomas, Kamara, Jackson ... that's a lot of firepower on offense. If Lamar is there at 27 ... what do you do?
You know I’m pulling the trigger. Payton is ready for a new offense.

ChrisXVI 03-28-2018 10:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 796911)
My initial thought when I read this was a Lamar J smokescreen but then I remembered Sean spoke highly of P Mahommes last year. That was clearly no smokescreen.

Mike Thomas, Kamara, Jackson ... that's a lot of firepower on offense. If Lamar is there at 27 ... what do you do?
Payton’s been pretty forthcoming with the media since his daughter’s been trying to break into the business. I guess you have to take Jackson right? If we did though I would try like heck to get into the 2nd round for an instant impact player since Jackson would be sitting.

K Major 03-28-2018 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 796923)
Payton’s been pretty forthcoming with the media since his daughter’s been trying to break into the business. I guess you have to take Jackson right?
I'd like to see a mobile QB in Payton's system. In my mind, most of the QB's in the draft are "projects" to a certain extent. Most of these guys need a year or two to emerge. Payton is still one of the best innovators of offense in the game. If he sees Jackson can learn the system, work on accuracy, mental aspects (being able to audible, read defenses etc), I'm all for it.

Sean polished up Tony Romo pretty well :p.

Utah_Saint 03-28-2018 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 796925)
I'd like to see a mobile QB in Payton's system. In my mind, most of the QB's in the draft are "projects" to a certain extent. Most of these guys need a year or two to emerge. Payton is still one of the best innovators of offense in the game. If he sees Jackson can learn the system, work on accuracy, mental aspects (being able to audible, read defenses etc), I'm all for it.

Sean polished up Tony Romo pretty well :p.

I've been hoping for defensive player, particularly the Dline, that could start day 1, but if Jackson's still there at 27, he'd be a great pick up and it would be fun to see what Payton could do with him.

rezburna 03-28-2018 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 796944)
I've been hoping for defensive player, particularly the Dline, that could start day 1, but if Jackson's still there at 27, he'd be a great pick up and it would be fun to see what Payton could do with him.
A Jackson + Kamara + Thomas core would be fun to watch. The RPO’s Payton would likely add into the fold would be deadly.

jeanpierre 03-29-2018 03:40 AM
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SmashMouth 03-29-2018 07:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 796911)
My initial thought when I read this was a Lamar J smokescreen but then I remembered Sean spoke highly of P Mahommes last year. That was clearly no smokescreen.

Mike Thomas, Kamara, Jackson ... that's a lot of firepower on offense. If Lamar is there at 27 ... what do you do?
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 796914)
You know I’m pulling the trigger. Payton is ready for a new offense.
Does Lamar Jackson have a NOODLE ARM? And would he actually play this year with Brees still slinging it good?

K Major 03-29-2018 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 797031)
Does Lamar Jackson have a NOODLE ARM? And would he actually play this year with Brees still slinging it good?
Jackson has a strong arm (we won't confuse his arm strength with Vick or Favre but solid) to go vertical. See below. WR catches the ball in stride.

SmashMouth 03-29-2018 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 797032)
Jackson has a strong arm (we won't confuse his arm strength with Vick or Favre but solid) to go vertical. See below. WR catches the ball in stride.

Lamar Jackson 75-YD Bomb to Jaylen Smith vs. UNC - YouTube
It would be interesting to see how he would fare against tighter coverage which he will see in the NFL. Brees puts it where no one else can catch it.

K Major 03-29-2018 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 797034)
It would be interesting to see how he would fare against tighter coverage which he will see in the NFL. Brees puts it where no one else can catch it.
Yep. This is a trait that makes #9 great at the elite level. From what I'm reading, Jackson is a very coachable kid who wants to get better in terms of accuracy. FWIW, I heard Mike Detellier say that if Lamar is on the board @ 27, there is a good possibility the Saints will take him.

Can't wait for the draft.

rezburna 03-29-2018 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 797034)
It would be interesting to see how he would fare against tighter coverage which he will see in the NFL. Brees puts it where no one else can catch it.
He doesn’t have that kind of pin point accuracy. That **** Brees does is special. But...all that moving around in the pocket is going to have defenders at a stand still and that will get people wide open.

papz 03-29-2018 08:47 AM
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I find Jackson to be vastly underrated compared to the quarterbacks that are projected to go before him.

SmashMouth 03-29-2018 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 797035)
Yep. This is a trait that makes #9 great at the elite level. From what I'm reading, Jackson is a very coachable kid who wants to get better in terms of accuracy. FWIW, I heard Mike Detellier say that if Lamar is on the board @ 27, there is a good possibility the Saints will take him.

Can't wait for the draft.
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 797037)
He doesn’t have that kind of pin point accuracy. That **** Brees does is special. But...all that moving around in the pocket is going to have defenders at a stand still and that will get people wide open.
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Originally Posted by papz (Post 797040)
I find Jackson to be vastly underrated compared to the quarterbacks that are projected to go before him.
That's what makes him interesting should the Saints grab him at 27. He runs like a deer, but would he resort to those instincts in the NFL? What's his release times compared to Brees?

ChrisXVI 03-29-2018 10:50 AM
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Pro Day March 29: SMU, West Virginia & SMU | Draft Analyst

Lost in the shuffle yesterday was Alabama’s second pro day workout and the expected testing of safety Ronnie Harrison and linebacker Rashaan Evans.

Harrison, who has been dealing with a hamstring injury, tipped the scales at 219 pounds then timed anywhere from 4.56s to 4.61 seconds in the forty.

Rashaan Evans, who did not run the forty at the combine or Alabama’s first pro day did not run yesterday which left a very bad taste in the mouths of teams who purposely made the trip to watch his workout.

Several teams questioned Evans speed going into the pre-draft process and the fact he’s not yet run the forty coupled with a vertical jump of just 30 inches and 9-feet-8-inches in the broad jump will raise further red flags about his athleticism.

Factor in terrific workouts by many of the linebackers at the combine (Lorenzo Carter, Leighton Vander Esch) and it adds up to bad news for Evans.

K Major 03-29-2018 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 797070)
I sure hope the Saints get to know Courtland Sutton (SMU) in one on one's. If he went to UT, he'd probably get a lot more hype. He's comparable to Michael Thomas with measurables & has really good hands. Kind of reminds me of a power forward in basketball. I see a lot of Alshon Jeffery/Dez in his game. Uses his frame to shield defenders. Strong guy.

Keep a lazy eye on him.

ChrisXVI 03-29-2018 11:32 AM
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Pete Carmichael and QB coach Joe Lombardi are at Louisville’s Pro Day.

SmashMouth 03-29-2018 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 797076)
Pete Carmichael and QB coach Joe Lombardi are at Louisville’s Pro Day.
Lamar Jackson prefers game speed to the 40-yard dash – ProFootballTalk

He has no agent... is that good for us?

ChrisXVI 03-29-2018 12:03 PM
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Jeff Ireland and Dennis Allen are at UCF’s Pro Day.

Edit: LB Shaquem Griffin met with Sean Payton last night per Josina Anderson.

papz 03-29-2018 02:30 PM
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Weird how Jackson skips the 40 twice. He's obviously runs well and a excellent 40 time only cements or improves his draft stock. It kind of makes you wonder if he has a draft promise already from some team.

jeanpierre 03-29-2018 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 797070)
Pro Day March 29: SMU, West Virginia & SMU | Draft Analyst

Lost in the shuffle yesterday was Alabama’s second pro day workout and the expected testing of safety Ronnie Harrison and linebacker Rashaan Evans.

Harrison, who has been dealing with a hamstring injury, tipped the scales at 219 pounds then timed anywhere from 4.56s to 4.61 seconds in the forty.

Rashaan Evans, who did not run the forty at the combine or Alabama’s first pro day did not run yesterday which left a very bad taste in the mouths of teams who purposely made the trip to watch his workout.

Several teams questioned Evans speed going into the pre-draft process and the fact he’s not yet run the forty coupled with a vertical jump of just 30 inches and 9-feet-8-inches in the broad jump will raise further red flags about his athleticism.

Factor in terrific workouts by many of the linebackers at the combine (Lorenzo Carter, Leighton Vander Esch) and it adds up to bad news for Evans.
Let me first say this, born & raised in Lafourche/Terrebonne Parishes, I was raised a SEC fan, not just LSU...

In fact my Mom, from MS, had me pull for Ole Miss and she worked for Tulane Docs so I also pulled for the Green Wave...

More an Ole SEC house - a team that has the best shot to make the most national noise is who our house pulled for late in the season...

So growing up in the 70s and 80s - we pulled for a lot of Bama teams in December and January...

That said, Alabama players, especially under Saban, have always made me nervous...

Many are not overly impressive individually, often because they have such great teams year in, year out...

Many of the individual flaws, whether mental or physical are masked in their Bama film because of their surrounding superior level of talent...

Now I'm not saying Bama doesn't produce any elite players - it's just that it's not every prospect from Bama deserves the draft cache the Bama propaganda generates...

That said - I get what some of you say this year about getting a DT, LB or S at a high level of physical talent, and Bama has guys graded well at those positions...

Several of the Bama guys coming out, specifically Evans, Payne and Harrison, will be good solid pros, I just don't think they're first or early second round guys if they came from a Purdue or Syracuse or Virginia...

In contrast, take Vander Esch who wasn't surrounded with talent; he started out as a walk-on as a slot receiver or tight end; then moved to linebacker; his game progressed, made errors, rarely repeated the same errors; he worked his butt off physically to become an elite prospect...

When you look at players that come out of these, well, factories - Bama, Ohio St, Virginia Tech, LSU, you've got to factor how that player is going to perform when everyone in the NFL is just as fast and strong...

How fast they learn, how fast they react, how fast they adjust...

Not running at your second pro day may not seem like that big of a deal, but go back to just last year when Foster played the "do you know who I am card" in the middle of one of the biggest processes of his career - now we know it was symptomatic of someone hiding something...

Anyways, that's why I've pushed back on some of the Bama guys and why I'm hesistant to jump on board with taking anyone other than Minkah in the first round...

With this year's group, I like the idea of taking CB Levi Wallace or C Brad Bozeman in the latter rounds where their floors are a given and the investment is not quite as high...

jeanpierre 03-29-2018 02:55 PM
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On Jackson, just don't see a running, scrambling quarterback lasting that long in this league as they do not win consistently...

Great for the post-game highlights, but it's the timing, rhythm offenses with great defenses that win consistently...

K Major 03-29-2018 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 797108)
Let me first say this, born & raised in Lafourche/Terrebonne Parishes, I was raised a SEC fan, not just LSU...

That said, Alabama players, especially under Saban, have always made me nervous...
Mark Ingram
Ha Ha Dix
Julio Jones
Landon Collins
CJ Moseley
Dante' Hightower
Amari Cooper

These guys (all under Saban) make you nervous JP? Most are elite at their position across the league. I'm purple and gold through and through but if a Alabama/Ohio State player etc happens to be the best available @ 27, I'll have no problem with that pick. Let's trust the front office ... especially considering how well we've drafted the last two seasons.


Side note - shout out to Central Lafourche! Tommy Hodson's finest ;).

papz 03-29-2018 04:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 797118)
Mark Ingram
Ha Ha Dix
Julio Jones
Landon Collins
CJ Moseley
Dante' Hightower
Amari Cooper

These guys (all under Saban) make you nervous JP? Most are elite at their position across the league. I'm purple and gold through and through but if a Alabama/Ohio State player etc happens to be the best available @ 27, I'll have no problem with that pick. Let's trust the front office ... especially considering how well we've drafted the last two seasons.


Side note - shout out to Central Lafourche! Tommy Hodson's finest ;).
I didn't realize you were a LSU fan. I always felt you came across as a Bama guy. Well I'll be damned. :smile:


Actually Danno, our MASSIVELY BIG BAMA guy, echoed something similar to what JP said as far as Bama players producing in the NFL. I was quite shocked when he made that point. Quite a few tend to peak out in college. They still can become good quality players, just not as project-able.

jeanpierre 03-29-2018 04:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 797118)
Mark Ingram
Ha Ha Dix
Julio Jones
Landon Collins
CJ Moseley
Dante' Hightower
Amari Cooper

These guys (all under Saban) make you nervous JP? Most are elite at their position across the league. I'm purple and gold through and through but if a Alabama/Ohio State player etc happens to be the best available @ 27, I'll have no problem with that pick. Let's trust the front office ... especially considering how well we've drafted the last two seasons.


Side note - shout out to Central Lafourche! Tommy Hodson's finest ;).
Ingram - didn't have a 1000 RuYd season until his sixth year in the league; is just now learning the game, but six seasons to get to ProBowl production?

Ha Ha Dix - has been named to just one Pro Bowl by his fifth year; he's a good player, but I wouldn't call him elite...

Julio Jones - best receiver in the NFL, very elite...

Landon Collins - best Strong Safety in the game, very elite...

C.J. Moseley - Top Five Mike Linebackers in the league, elite...

Dont'a Hightower - One probowl going into his seventh season, good player, hardly elite...

Amari Cooper - had two great seasons to start and was rolling until a forgettable season this past year once teams rolled coverage on him - jury's still out...

And since 2007, Nick Saban has produced 22 first round picks - very impressive...

And we just named only seven players, and while we can debate their merits of being elite or not, which I easily and obviously would concede three maybe four are...

My point was made - 22 first round picks and only three, four were actually out-the-gate first round talent...

And I played against Hodson...

K Major 03-29-2018 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by papz (Post 797127)
I didn't realize you were a LSU fan. I always felt you came across as a Bama guy. Well I'll be damned. :smile:
Lived in Houma for a few years as a child but grew up primarily in Baton Rouge. Graduated from Catholic High & LSU. Purple and Gold all day but I have a lot of respect for the Crimson Tide program. Really hated it when Saban left but oh well.

K Major 03-29-2018 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 797128)
And I played against Hodson...[/B]
I gotcha JP :bng:.

My dad loved him some Tommy Hodson. He could "spin it".

jeanpierre 03-29-2018 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 797130)
I gotcha JP :bng:.

My dad loved him some Tommy Hodson. He could "spin it".
True Story: Central would often play their starting QB for one series in the JV games so they could get a look at the defensive front they'd face on Friday...

Made the mistake of nailing Hodson on a clean high-low with a defensive tackle...

We were both sat the rest of that game because he was a hot prospect even then...

I quit the following day; tells you the commitment HLB has had about winning football...

There should never have been an HLB nor an Ellender in Terrebonne Parish - diluted the talent...

Terrebonne High and South Terrebonne (or whoever needed to be honored)...

Before they split the west side of Terrebonne Parish, there was some serious talent pool there...

jeanpierre 03-29-2018 04:39 PM
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Saints QB Drew Brees scored a 28 on the Wonderlic...

Andrew Luck scored a 37...

Andy Dalton, Nick Foles scored 29s...

Mitchell Trubisky, Dak Prescott each had a 25...

Tyrod Taylor scored a 15...


Take A Free Sample Wonderlic Test (50 or 25 Questions) | WTS

jeanpierre 03-30-2018 07:42 AM
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ChrisXVI 03-30-2018 10:46 AM
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Matt Zimmer
@argusmattz
Per his agent's advice, Dallas Goedert will not run the 40-yard dash today. Doesn't want to risk injury. There are some NFL scouts who are less than pleased.
10:05 AM · Mar 30, 2018

That’s not a good move.

SmashMouth 03-30-2018 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 797194)
Neaux!


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