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K Major 11-25-2017 10:04 PM
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Bryce Love looks good tonight vs ND.

Seer1 11-26-2017 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 778661)
Bryce Love looks good tonight vs ND.
He played tough! Although I'd be fine with resigning Ingram and ignoring the RB class this coming year. Still think it's the heavies we should be focusing on.

jeanpierre 11-28-2017 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 778695)
He played tough! Although I'd be fine with resigning Ingram and ignoring the RB class this coming year. Still think it's the heavies we should be focusing on.
We may not be able to afford Ingram if his contract incentives kick in - nor should we...

We need to keep getting this team younger, faster, stronger, better...

follow the model that unless we've got a 10-year All-Pro Quarterback, Cornerback, or Offensive Linemen, let 'em go for the compensatory picks...

With Ireland in-tow, we now have the ability to build through the draft which will get the talent spread to more positions...

And will minimize the limitations we've had with being up against the cap...

hagan714 11-28-2017 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 779165)
We may not be able to afford Ingram if his contract incentives kick in - nor should we...

We need to keep getting this team younger, faster, stronger, better...

follow the model that unless we've got a 10-year All-Pro Quarterback, Cornerback, or Offensive Linemen, let 'em go for the compensatory picks...

With Ireland in-tow, we now have the ability to build through the draft which will get the talent spread to more positions...

And will minimize the limitations we've had with being up against the cap...
Big Bucks FA
Kyle Fuller CB Bears 5116 190 4.40 R1 2014

Reality
John Brown WR/KR Cards 5100 179 4.34 R3 2014
Shifty and fast

DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians 6036 322 5.35 R4 2014
Proven gap stuffing run stopper

Aaron Colvin CB Jaguars 5113 177 4.51 Rd4 2014
up and coming and one of the better nickle CB in the NFL

Dontae Johnson CB/S 49ers 6021 208 4.45 RD4 2014
Up and coming and plays all positions.

Christian Jones OLB/ILB Chicago 6031 249 4.68 UDFA
Has shown his worth at ILB and a solid back up

Ingram walks?
pick 26 - Ronald Jones RB/KR USC* 5116 195 4.49 #25 Jr
three-down back in USC’s offense, running plenty of routes and pass protecting in addition to his running workload.

jeanpierre 11-29-2017 05:24 PM
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Danno 11-29-2017 07:25 PM
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Ya'll do realize we have no chance at all at drafting him. Right?

Seer1 11-29-2017 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 779467)
Ya'll do realize we have no chance at all at drafting him. Right?
Not even if we traded Drew, Mark and our first and third rounder?

K Major 11-29-2017 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 779467)
Ya'll do realize we have no chance at all at drafting him. Right?
I had those very same thoughts about Lattimore.

jeanpierre 11-30-2017 03:21 AM
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Doesn't matter, Payton is bringing Manziel back next season if he proves he can stay on the wagon for a year...

Draft season is still a long ways away, teams get flights of fancy in the early spring and strange things happen (i.e. Lattimore)...

The link is to QB rankings for most of the collegiate prospects and there are more than a few that should interest this year...

K Major 11-30-2017 08:10 AM
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I hope Saints FO is targeting another MLB early on (see Reuben Foster) ...

The Ohio State - Jerome Baker
Clemson - Kendall Joseph
Texas - Malik Jefferson
Florida State - Matthew Thomas

Most are sideline to sideline assassins & possible Day 1 impact guys.

Thoughts? Opinions?

hagan714 11-30-2017 08:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 779508)
I hope Saints FO is targeting another MLB early on (see Reuben Foster) ...

The Ohio State - Jerome Baker
Clemson - Kendall Joseph
Texas - Malik Jefferson
Florida State - Matthew Thomas

Most are sideline to sideline assassins & possible Day 1 impact guys.

Thoughts? Opinions?
Malik Jefferson SLB/MLB/WLB Texas* 6015 238 4.57 #46 Jr

not sure about him. Is his play really that disappointing or is he once again asked to do too much on such a bad Texas defense?

Jerome Baker OLB/ILB Ohio State 6005 225 4.62 #17 Jr

He is an interesting prospect but I wonder about his size as a MLB. Do we add yet another WLB?

Kendall Joseph ILB Clemson 5111 225 4.78 #34 rJr

he is even smaller

Matthew Thomas OLB/ILB Florida State 6025 227 4.67 #6 rSr

Now your talking a solid day 2/3 upside pick injuries, suspensions issues
injuries, suspensions

A team suspension for violation of team rules 2014.

He was suspended again for the entire 2015 season.

Rashaan Evans ILB/OLB Alabama 6021 232 4.73 #32 Sr

I think he would work well with Klien

over all I am not excited by this class of LB.

K Major 11-30-2017 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 779510)
He is an interesting prospect but I wonder about his size as a MLB. Do we add yet another WLB?
I would ... that 2016 defense played a whole lot better when Ellerbe was in the starting lineup. Too bad he couldn't stay somewhat healthy in NO. We need a younger, healthier version of Danelle.

Overall we're better at the LB positions, however not fast enough as a unit.

hagan714 11-30-2017 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 779511)
I would ... that 2016 defense played a whole lot better when Ellerbe was in the starting lineup. Too bad he couldn't stay somewhat healthy in NO. We need a younger, healthier version of Danelle.

Overall we're better at the LB positions, however not fast enough as a unit.
That is why I would kick the tires on cheap young solid FA like

Christian Jones OLB/ILB Chicago 6031 249 4.68 UDFA

Speed rush skills?

Marquis Haynes DE/OLB? Ole Miss 6021 222 4.63 #10 Sr

Speed IR risk pick

Skai Moore LB South Carolina 6021 218 4.65 #10 Sr

K Major 11-30-2017 08:55 AM
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Hagan,

Appreciate the insight brother. Your analysis as it relates to free agents, draft picks etc have been spot on over the years.

I owe you an apology on AJ Klein. You were dead right in your scouting report and I was dead wrong.

hagan714 11-30-2017 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 779514)
Hagan,

Appreciate the insight brother. Your analysis as it relates to free agents, draft picks etc have been spot on over the years.

I owe you an apology on AJ Klein. You were dead right in your scouting report and I was dead wrong.
It is always a crap shoot and when you debate me you make me dig deep and ponder my reasoning. You have steered me away from more than a few I was high on and you were right.

keep up the challenges I appreciate them. I enjoy them

I have no issue with eating crow as you know.

As for the spot on part? I would not go that far

AJ I wanted in the draft and kept a close eye on. The same goes for DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians. He is a DT miss played as a 34 DE I pray for FA after their rookie contracts run out if they prove themselves.

If we all keep beating each over the head we can make a dynasty out of the saints

jeanpierre 11-30-2017 05:51 PM
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hagan714 12-01-2017 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 779598)
Total upside pick and keeps the OSU connection alive?

Parris Campbell WR/KR Ohio State 6002 208 4.39 #21 rJr

IR steal?

Deebo Samuel WR/KR South Carolina 5110 208 4.50 #1 rJr

I am chasing down a few 7/UDFA odd balls

Anthony Miller, WR, Memphis 5106 190 4.53 #3 rSr
D.J. Moore WR Maryland 5096 215 4.55 #1 Jr
Brandon Shed, WR, Hobart 6’4
Sergio Bailey II WR./KR Eastern Michigan 5112 186 #23 SR
Jake Wieneke WR South Dakota State 6031 215 4.59
Sergio Bailey II WR./KR Eastern Michigan 5112 186 #23 SR

K Major 12-01-2017 09:42 PM
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Quenton Nelson G Notre Dame - 6-5 mauler.

I'm watching USC/Stanford ...not impressed at all w/QB Sam Darnold. He needs to stay in school another year.

QBREES9 12-01-2017 10:21 PM
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Draft Mayfield.

jeanpierre 12-01-2017 10:51 PM
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hagan714 12-02-2017 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 779751)
Quenton Nelson G Notre Dame - 6-5 mauler.

I'm watching USC/Stanford ...not impressed at all w/QB Sam Darnold. He needs to stay in school another year.
Nelson is plug and play with pro bowl skill set.

Darnold is exposed for the media over hyped darling he was. Your right another year is just what he needs. He is a solid prospect that will need to sit and get coached up.

K Major 12-02-2017 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 779437)
Baker is trending to become a top 5 2018 pick. It'll be a shame for him to be selected by the Browns :rolleyes:.

jeanpierre 12-02-2017 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 779791)
Baker is trending to become a top 5 2018 pick. It'll be a shame for him to be selected by the Browns :rolleyes:.
Long Offseason till the draft, let the draft niks and "expert scouts" pick him apart...

Draft rankings really don't gel until about two weeks out from the draft...

Then you get the subversive crap, so we'll see...

Right now one of my favorites, even though I loathe NotreDame, is Nelson, and he's supposed to be a Top 10 pick...

jeanpierre 12-02-2017 11:45 PM
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Anybody watched Braden Smith of Auburn? Half expected him to be at Right Tackle...

jeanpierre 12-02-2017 11:53 PM
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Not a good day for the Canes - of course, I was happy with that...

Instead of Vanderbilt, Missouri and Texas A & M in the SEC - I'd rather have Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech and/or Florida State...

jeanpierre 12-03-2017 12:14 AM
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Great, great size...

hagan714 12-03-2017 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 779854)
Anybody watched Braden Smith of Auburn? Half expected him to be at Right Tackle...
Braden Smith? REALLY DO NOT SEE US IN THE POSITION TO DRAFT HIM WITHOUT TRADING DOWN IN ONE AND OR TRADING UP IN 3. OPPS CAP LOCK I would be shocked if he makes out of round 2

How about Mr Versitility?

Austin Golson OT/OG/C Auburn 6043 312 5.23 #73 rSr

He has played all 5 positions on the OL at one time or another in his years at Auburn and Mississippi, He has plated as a starter since freshman year

He is becoming a priority pick to target DAY 3 in the draft for me. UDFA? doubt it

hagan714 12-03-2017 05:08 AM
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Guess my sleeper woke up the world yesterday

Marcus Baugh TE Ohio State 6041 250 4.84 #85 rSr

I want to see his pre draft results

hagan714 12-03-2017 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 779858)
I still want to see the medicals (broken fibula) on

Deebo Samuel WR/KR South Carolina 5110 208 4.50 #1 rJr

Slot WR and returner draft steal?

jeanpierre 12-03-2017 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 779867)
I still want to see the medicals (broken fibula) on

Deebo Samuel WR/KR South Carolina 5110 208 4.50 #1 rJr

Slot WR and returner draft steal?
I'd prefer we didn't spend anything higher than a sixth round on a returner...

We still have too many needs at OL, DL, CB, LB and QB to go out and spend a draft pick on a kick returner...

hagan714 12-03-2017 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 779993)
I'd prefer we didn't spend anything higher than a sixth round on a returner...

We still have too many needs at OL, DL, CB, LB and QB to go out and spend a draft pick on a kick returner...
6th or 7th round is about were I see him going

K Major 12-03-2017 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 780170)
6th or 7th round is about were I see him going
A Marcus Murphy type.

vpheughan 12-03-2017 08:17 PM
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That doesn't fumble

jeanpierre 12-06-2017 11:13 PM
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Know the names...

jeanpierre 12-06-2017 11:25 PM
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No way Bosa falls to us now; but I'd look to take DE Jake Lawler, SMU; Height: 6' 4", Weight: 260 lbs...

jeanpierre 12-09-2017 06:44 PM
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K Major 12-09-2017 06:50 PM
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Boy Case Keenum has earned himself a boat load of money for 2018. Someone will pay him royally.

ChrisXVI 12-09-2017 08:43 PM
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How about the TE’s in this upcoming draft class? Fleener is likely a goner and we really need to stop trying to make Josh Hill a thing.

I was looking at the free agent TE’s for 2018 and it’s a really dreadful group. We need to address the position early in the draft. Looks like there are some good options:

Mark Andrews
Hayden Hurst
Troy Fumagalli
Dalton Schultz

K Major 12-09-2017 09:10 PM
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One more to add on the TE list ...

Ian Thomas TE, Indiana
Projected 40 Time: 4.73.
Height: 6-5. Weight: 248.

hagan714 12-10-2017 09:32 AM
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traditional TE

Mark Andrews TE Oklahoma 6042 254 4.77 #81 rJr
Troy Fumagalli TE Wisconsin 6054 249 4.84 #81 rSr
Hayden Hurst TE South Carolina 6042 250 4.83 #81 Jr
Marcus Baugh TE Ohio State 6041 250 4.84 #85 rSr
Dalton Schultz TE Stanford 6052 240 4.87 #9 rJr
Ethan Wolfe TE Tennessee 6045 245 4.86 #82 Sr

split TE

Mike Gesicki TE Penn State 6052 252 4.76 #88 Sr
Ian Thomas TE Indiana 6041 248 4.67 #80 Sr

keep an eye out for
Caleb Wilson TE UCLA 6040 235 4.69 #81 rSo


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