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jeanpierre 12-10-2017 02:02 PM

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hagan714 12-10-2017 05:46 PM

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The kid is built. I was impressed with his weight room work. he made Lamar Jackson look like a bean pole.

jeanpierre 12-11-2017 08:57 PM

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Really warming to the idea of moving Mr. Glass, Terron Armstead, and allowing Peat to settle in and actually practice all week and play Tackle...

Take the second round pick for Peat and draft a distinguised interior lineman...

Doubt Nelson falls past where former Notre Dame Guard Zach Martin went in the 2014 NFL Draft, Pick 16, Dallas...

But then again, haven't seen guards go in the Top 25 since 2014...



hagan714 12-12-2017 08:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 781871)
Really warming to the idea of moving Mr. Glass, Terron Armstead, and allowing Peat to settle in and actually practice all week and play Tackle...

Take the second round pick for Peat and draft a distinguised interior lineman...

Doubt Nelson falls past where former Notre Dame Guard Zach Martin went in the 2014 NFL Draft, Pick 16, Dallas...

But then again, haven't seen guards go in the Top 25 since 2014...


https://twitter.com/PFF/status/940306979054149632

I am not there yet with Peat but for a few years now I have pondered the replacement of Terron Armstead

2018 OT crop looks yo be a pretty deep and solid group

Round 4/5 ?
Spain Bentley OT/OG N Carolina 6056 300 5.04 #75 Sr

Spain has length and athleticism but needs to get some pro coaching and weight room training. A swing tackle that can potentially take over?

Round 5/6/7/UDFA :p
Austin Golson C/OG/OT Auburn 6043 312 5.23 #73 rSr
Mr Versatility: Golson has played all five positions on the line during his career

K Major 12-12-2017 09:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 781907)
Round 5/6/7/UDFA :p
Austin Golson C/OG/OT Auburn 6043 312 5.23 #73 rSr
Mr Versatility: Golson has played all five positions on the line during his career

Sounds like a slightly younger, cheaper version of Senio Kelemete :p?

ChrisXVI 12-13-2017 09:10 AM

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Todd McShay has released his first 2018 mock draft. With the 28th pick the New Orleans Saints select...

Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan
Height: 6-2. Weight: 282.
Projected 40 Time: 4.95.
Projected Round (2018): 1-3.

Just for reference I went back to see what he predicted for us in his first one last year and he had us taking CB Marlon Humphrey @ 8.

K Major 12-13-2017 09:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 782092)
Todd McShay has released his first 2018 mock draft. With the 28th pick the New Orleans Saints select...

Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan
Height: 6-2. Weight: 282.
Projected 40 Time: 4.95.
Projected Round (2018): 1-3.

Just for reference I went back to see what he predicted for us in his first one last year and he had us taking CB Marlon Humphrey @ 8.

Nice. I'll give Todd style points on last year's prediction/pick. At least he got the position correct ;).

ChrisXVI 12-13-2017 10:04 AM

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Problem is that we don’t need another small DT. What we need is a big, stout block-eater. I like Hagan’s idea of signing DaQuan Jones (6-4, 322 lbs) in free agency.

K Major 12-13-2017 10:25 AM

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My FA targets in no particular order :

WR- Jarvis Landry (probably a pipe dream but is a high priority for me)
OLB - Nigel Bradham
MLB Tahir Whitehead
LB - Zach Brown
DE- Ziggy Ansah (sleeper pick)
TE - Cameron Brate (he'll give you equal or more consistent production than Fleener & won't command top $)

Footnote - notice I've listed the linebacker position multiple times? Saints were 10 seconds too late in getting Reuben Foster, we also went after Hightower & more recently Bowman. My spider senses tell me that Mike Nolan is looking for a LB who can cover, rush the QB & is a fast sideline to sideline guy with above avg instincts.

My hope is that Jeff Ireland will continue to build on a terrific 2017 draft & find that stud LB (either FA or draft) we are really missing in the middle on D.

hagan714 12-13-2017 01:14 PM

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Nice list K but we got Drew to sign. That is why I am still basement shopping

I missed TE - Cameron Brate, it would be nice to get him back.

My Top "Big Ugly" Bang for the Buck in 2018

1) DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014

Others
2) Dontae Johnson CB/FS 49ers 6021 208 4.45 4th rd 2014
3) Charles Simms RB Tampa 6000 214 4.46 RD3 2014
4) Christian Jones OLB/ILB CHI 6031 249 4.68 2017 UDFA
5) Chris Smith DE Cincinati 6010 266 4.71 CIN 25 RD 5 2014

If we go big bucks

Jarvis Landry WR Miami
or
Kyle Fuller CB Chicago

Draft I am really starting to like

Fred Warner DE/OLB BYU 6025 228 4.68 #4 Sr

3 year starter, a physical striker who wraps his arms for the secure tackle. Possesses the agility and length to harass the quarterback in coverage or on the rush. Warner has thrived in both a 3-4 and 4-3 defensive scheme. Line him up in space or drop him into coverage against running backs. He is very athletic, and has a knack for making big plays.Another Kyle Van Noy?

jeanpierre 12-16-2017 07:03 PM

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K Major 12-20-2017 11:42 AM

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DeShon Elliott*, S, Texas
Ronnie Harrison*, S, Alabama
Jordan Whitehead*, S, Pittsburgh
Terrell Edmunds*, S, Virginia Tech

K Major 12-21-2017 09:07 AM

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Longhorns linebacker is the consensus pick in Saints mock drafts


https://www.canalstreetchronicles.co...t-mock-roundup

ChrisXVI 12-21-2017 11:49 AM

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Here’s a very underrated LB prospect...


Scouts believe Vander Esch is the player people are sleeping on at the linebacker position, as many have compared him to former NFL star Brian Urlacher -- another Mountain West product. There is a belief Vander Esch could end up sliding into the bottom half of Round 1. As we reported back in November, the Week 11 riser was described by many in the scouting community as a special player at the next level.

hagan714 12-22-2017 10:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 783503)
DeShon Elliott*, S, Texas
Ronnie Harrison*, S, Alabama
Jordan Whitehead*, S, Pittsburgh
Terrell Edmunds*, S, Virginia Tech

Minkah Fitzpatrick FS/CB/SS BAMA 6002 203 4.52 #29 Jr
Derwin James SS/FS/KR Florida State 6201 211 4.52 #3 rSo
Ronnie Harrison SS/FS/CB Alabama 6011 214 4.54 #15 Jr
Kyzir White SS/OLB West Virginia 6025 215 4.56 #8 Sr
Marcus Allen SS/FS Penn State 6012 202 4.55 #2 Sr
DeShon Elliott FS/SS Texas 6010 208 4.58 #4 Jr
Quin Blanding SS/FS Virginia 6011 205 4.58 #3 Jr
Justin Reid FS/SS Stanford 6010 204 4.57 #8 Jr
Micah Hannemann SS/FS BYU 6001 200 4.56 #7 rSr

Tremaine Edmunds OLB/ILB/SS Virginia Tech 6042 236 4.82 #49 Jr

Jordan Whitehead*, S, Pittsburgh
He scares me

R1 Ronnie Harrison - coverage SS out side the box like Kenny
R3 Kyzir White - In the slot/box like Bell
Kenny walks and we pray for comp pick
Bell gets traded to move up in round 3

Of all the safeties I really like Kyzir White development. He is almost as good as Marcus Allen against the run. His coverage skills inside improved more than Allen. he just does not get the respect I think he deserves.

Roll the dice on Marcus Allen and if the coverage skills do develop, he just might be the best all around safety of the bunch in the long run.

I do like DeShon Elliott but I get that over hyped gut feeling with him, my gut has been wrong more times than I care to admit

mid to late round steal? keep an eye on
Micah Hannemann SS/FS BYU 6001 200 4.56 #7 rSr

hagan714 12-22-2017 10:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 783625)
Here’s a very underrated LB prospect...

https://twitter.com/draftanalyst1/st...82747927519232

Scouts believe Vander Esch is the player people are sleeping on at the linebacker position, as many have compared him to former NFL star Brian Urlacher -- another Mountain West product. There is a belief Vander Esch could end up sliding into the bottom half of Round 1. As we reported back in November, the Week 11 riser was described by many in the scouting community as a special player at the next level.

I really did not expect him to come out. Can not wait to see his 40, shuttle and cone. they list him as a 4.79 guy. I swear he does not play at that speed. Seems faster or just really quick reacting with excellent instincts. maybe both

hagan714 12-22-2017 11:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 783608)
Longhorns linebacker is the consensus pick in Saints mock drafts


https://www.canalstreetchronicles.co...t-mock-roundup

Malik Jefferson SLB/MLB/WLB Texas* 6015 238 4.57 #46 Jr

It is all there. Whats not to like? His 2016 and 2017 tape to be honest. A ton of flashes.

Interviews with him and the Texas coaching staff will make or break him IMO.

Was he used to cover up for the lack of talent around him?
Yes ok makes some sense

That would explain all the jumping around he did. Even then i question his flexibility. ILB or OLB his play was solid but nothing overly impressive.

No? I am worried about the pick and if he has his head on straight.

Of all the players with round 1 talent the most disappointing players for me were

Tarvarus McFadden CB Florida State* 6012 198 4.49 #4 Jr
Malik Jefferson SLB/MLB/WLB Texas* 6015 238 4.57 #46 Jr
Vita Vea DT Washington 6041 332 5.19 #50 rJr

Right now I would rather roll the dice on a one year wonder like
Josh Jackson CB/WR/FS Iowa 6012 185 4.50 #15 rJr

let see what the draft process reviles. I am hoping for the best really

If any one has in sight on him lets hear it.

jeanpierre 12-22-2017 11:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 783625)
Here’s a very underrated LB prospect...

Scouts believe Vander Esch is the player people are sleeping on at the linebacker position, as many have compared him to former NFL star Brian Urlacher -- another Mountain West product. There is a belief Vander Esch could end up sliding into the bottom half of Round 1. As we reported back in November, the Week 11 riser was described by many in the scouting community as a special player at the next level.


Now this guy falls to us, as bad as I think we need a quarterback, this would be the pick for us...

He reads fast, He reacts fast, He just plain plays fast...

jeanpierre 12-22-2017 03:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 783765)
I really did not expect him to come out. Can not wait to see his 40, shuttle and cone. they list him as a 4.79 guy. I swear he does not play at that speed. Seems faster or just really quick reacting with excellent instincts. maybe both

This is exactly why I say Saints scouts have got to do more than weight everything at the combine; extremely important the combine is, but how FAST they play most important...

But you nailed the right question - How fast does the guy play?

K Major 12-22-2017 03:57 PM

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I'd be very surprised if the Leighton kid is selected in the 1st round. That's a reach.

jeanpierre 12-22-2017 04:46 PM

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jeanpierre 12-22-2017 04:47 PM

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I really, really like this kid...Like the idea of him as a RT, moving Ramczyk to LT and moving Terron Armstead for a high draft pick and even more cap room...


Utah_Saint 12-22-2017 08:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 783780)
Scouts believe Vander Esch is the player people are sleeping on at the linebacker position, as many have compared him to former NFL star Brian Urlacher -- another Mountain West product. There is a belief Vander Esch could end up sliding into the bottom half of Round 1. As we reported back in November, the Week 11 riser was described by many in the scouting community as a special player at the next level.

https://twitter.com/draftanalyst1/st...82747927519232

Now this guy falls to us, as bad as I think we need a quarterback, this would be the pick for us...

He reads fast, He reacts fast, He just plain plays fast...

I don't know how well he'll transition to the NFL but he's a monster in the Mountain West. He takes over games.

jeanpierre 12-22-2017 09:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 783889)
I don't know how well he'll transition to the NFL but he's a monster in the Mountain West. He takes over games.

https://i.imgur.com/wD2FzDh.gif

hagan714 12-22-2017 09:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 783836)

Frank Gindapre
worth a look see on day 3. after draft workouts he may move into day 2

jeanpierre 12-22-2017 09:38 PM

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If we don't take a QB, all I want to draft are another OL or two and LBers, lots of 'em...

I'd like to sign a more effective DT as we can't seem to draft those worth a sh*t...

K Major 12-22-2017 09:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 783896)
If we don't take a QB, all I want to draft are another OL or two and LBers, lots of 'em...

Saints are drafting a QB next year. If not for the Chiefs, Mahommes would have been Saint :bng:.

jeanpierre 12-23-2017 12:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 783902)
Saints are drafting a QB next year. If not for the Chiefs, Mahommes would have been Saint :bng:.

Free Agency will be the tell...

hagan714 12-23-2017 08:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 783902)
Saints are drafting a QB next year. If not for the Chiefs, Mahommes would have been Saint .

My short list of QBs

1/2
Baker Mayfield QB Oklahoma 6002 220 4.64 #6 rSr
Great progression, head case?
Mason Rudolph, QB Oklahoma State 6036 235 4.77 #2 Sr
Progression needs works.

3/4
Luke Falk, QB, Washington State 6032 214 4.87 #4 rSr
Melt downs?

4/5
Kurt Benkert QB Virgina 6025 215 4.92 #6 rSr
Solid upside pick with good fundamentals

7/FA
Mike White, QB, Western Kentucky 6035 215 4.87 #14 rSr
Total upside pick with good basic fundamentals

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 783915)
Free Agency will be the tell...

This will be an interesting year for QBs doing so so and rumored to have worn out their welcome.

Tyrod Taylor is a great example. He has come a long way and still needs work but if he does not get that starters job I would kick the tires

hagan714 12-23-2017 09:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 783837)
I really, really like this kid...Like the idea of him as a RT, moving Ramczyk to LT and moving Terron Armstead for a high draft pick and even more cap room...

https://twitter.com/JDiPaola_Trib/st...09818183725056

Will Armstead and the saint keep riding Armstead IR roller coaster? Not keen on the trade in 2018 risk part. If so I hope the saints go veteran not rookie


Brian O'Neill OT Pitt 6052 305 5.04 #70 rJr
A great swing OT day one to groom. Jumped to LT after two years at RT and did a great job. Were will he go? day 3? He is all over the boards. I would not be shocked if he ended up a surprise pick in round 2,

is a solid prospect just like

Ike Boettger OT/TE Iowa 6046 307 5.02 #75 rSr
Still waiting on the medicals on that Achilles injury. Might end up being a sneaky UDFA to stash

The Dude 12-23-2017 09:30 AM

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The Eagles are probably going to want to move Foles. I would not mind him here.

jeanpierre 12-24-2017 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 783939)
The Eagles are probably going to want to move Foles. I would not mind him here.

Foles went to Westlake High School in Austin, Texas and so he shares the same high school alma mater as that of Drew Brees...

Maybe they can share the same level of success, or better, with the Saints?

vpheughan 12-24-2017 07:10 PM

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FOLES AND BREES HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF LETTERS IN THEIR NAMES TOO!! BOTH ENDING IN ES!!.............. ANALYTICS!! YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP FOLKS!! CHAMPIONSHIP???

The Dude 12-25-2017 01:39 AM

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Foles I think is the best option out there to replace Brees in a couple years. Kids good and can learn a lot from Drew and Payton while serving as a backup for a year or two.
He will still be young, kind of like Drew was when we got him.
No I’m not saying he should come in and take over immediately.

hagan714 12-25-2017 01:47 PM

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WAS LOOKING AT DRAFTSCOUT LAST NIGHT. IT IS OFFICIAL. THE OFF SEASON OVER HYPE HAS STARTED.

Using the new adjusted rankings *in progress

Round 1
Ronnie Harrison SS/FS/CB Alabama 6011 214 4.54 #15 Jr

Round 2


Round 3
Brian O'Neill OT Pitt 6052 305 5.04 #70 rJr

Round 4
Kyzir White SS/OLB West Virginia 6025 215 4.56 #8 Sr

Round 5
Marcus Baugh TE Ohio State 6041 250 4.84 #85 rSr
Fred Warner OLB BYU 6025 228 4.68 #4 Sr

Round 6
Levi Wallace CB Alanama 5111 185 4.42 #39 Sr
Chris Worley ILB OSU 6015 230 4.67 #35 rSr


Round 7
Mike White, QB, Western Kentucky 6035 215 4.87 #14 rSr
Ralph Webb RB/KR Vanderbilt 5092 202 4.50 #7 rSr


top UDFA

Micah Hannemann SS/FS BYU 6001 200 4.56 #7 rSr
Deion Harris CB North Dakota 6015 182 4.50 #19 Sr
Jamar Summers CB/FS Connecticut 5116 185 4.44 #21 Sr
Austin Golson C/OG/OT Auburn 6043 312 5.23 #73 rSr
Coleman Shelton C/OG Washington 6041 293 5.08 rSr
JaMarcus Kin, CB/FS South Carolina 6006 186 #7 Sr
Ka'Raun White, WR West Virginia 6012 198 4.51 #2 rSr
Kalen Ballage RB/FB/LB Arizona State 6015 227 4.40 #7 Sr
Ethan Wolfe TE Tennessee 6045 245 4.86 #82 Sr
Ike Boettger OT/TE Iowa 6046 307 5.02 #75 rSr
Xavier Thigpen, DE, Southern Miss 6052 240 4.86 rSr
Spain Bentley OT/OG N Carolina 6056 300 5.04 #75 Sr
Darius Jackson, OLB, Jacksonville State, 6-2, 237, 4.77, Sr.

jeanpierre 12-25-2017 11:15 PM

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One of my go-to names for the 2018 NFL Draft > G/T Brian O'Neill, Pittsburgh...


ChrisXVI 12-27-2017 06:20 PM

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Just for conversation sake, here’s a mock draft that WalterFootball did earlier today...

28. New Orleans Saints: Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama

New Orleans' defense has made great strides this year, but there are still a couple of areas of concern. Kenny Vaccaro has not played well this season, and he happens to be an impending free agent anyway.

92. New Orleans Saints: Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn St

We've seen Coby Fleener on the Saints for two seasons now, and he has barely done anything. It's time for New Orleans to find a better, cheaper tight end.

jeanpierre 12-27-2017 07:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 784896)
Just for conversation sake, here’s a mock draft that WalterFootball did earlier today...

28. New Orleans Saints: Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama

New Orleans' defense has made great strides this year, but there are still a couple of areas of concern. Kenny Vaccaro has not played well this season, and he happens to be an impending free agent anyway.

92. New Orleans Saints: Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn St

We've seen Coby Fleener on the Saints for two seasons now, and he has barely done anything. It's time for New Orleans to find a better, cheaper tight end.

I could live with those picks...

Harrison would just need to show he could actually provide pass coverage unlike the last safety we had from Bama...

Gesicki is probably the most NFL-ready tight end coming into the draft and doubtful he'll last to that pick in the draft...

jeanpierre 12-27-2017 07:38 PM

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If you could only draft players from one conference...


ChrisXVI 12-27-2017 08:24 PM

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With 2nd round picks in consecutive drafts used on safeties (Marcus Williams and Vonn Bell), I just don’t see us using a 1st rounder on one... Especially with how we only have one pick until the late 3rd round.


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