2022 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints

jeanpierre · 04-12-2021, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What is the supposed aggregate history that you claim proves your point?

The Payton/Loomis era is far and away the most successful in franchise history.

Most Saints fans know the history, should they get a pass for their gaffes because of the Superbowl win?

AsylumGuido · 04-12-2021, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Most Saints fans know the history, should they get a pass for their gaffes because of the Superbowl win?

What gaffes?

Their guidance gave the Saints the best opportunities in franchise history to compete for a chance at winning it all. Only one team can win it all in any given year and it takes fortunate bounces here or there to make that happen.

jeanpierre · 04-12-2021, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What gaffes?

Their guidance gave the Saints the best opportunities in franchise history to compete for a chance at winning it all. Only one team can win it all in any given year and it takes fortunate bounces here or there to make that happen.

So the Patriots and the Ravens are just really lucky? No skill or preparation, knowledge?

#GTFOH

The question is - should they get a pass?

AsylumGuido · 04-12-2021, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

So the Patriots and the Ravens are just really lucky? No skill or preparation, knowledge?

#GTFOH

Yes. The Patriots were lucky that they were in a sorry division that allowed them a guaranteed entry into the postseason some 16 out of 18 years. They also had the greatest QB of all time. Then again, ten of those 16 years were failures based upon your apparent definition of not winning it all. So that means Belichick sucked more years than not, right?

Baltimore had their own breaks along the way. Yes, it takes skill, and preparation, and knowledge. But it also take the right series of fortunate events. The Saints have had the skill, preparation, and knowledge required, but came up short due to untimely injuries, questionable (blatantly wrong) calls and a singular bad play here or there. That's NOT on Loomis or Payton. That's just how the cookie crumbles.

AsylumGuido · 04-12-2021, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

So the Patriots and the Ravens are just really lucky? No skill or preparation, knowledge?

#GTFOH

The question is - should they get a pass?

Get a pass for what? I don't get where you are coming from on this. Do they (Payton/Loomis) need a pass for being in arguably the best division in the NFC for most of their tenure? They are getting no pass nor do they deserve any pass. The condemnation apparently exists mostly in your point of view.

jeanpierre · 04-12-2021, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What is the supposed aggregate history that you claim proves your point?

The Payton/Loomis era is far and away the most successful in franchise history.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Most Saints fans know the history, should they get a pass for their gaffes because of the Superbowl win?

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Get a pass for what? I don't get where you are coming from on this. Do they (Payton/Loomis) need a pass for being in arguably the best division in the NFC for most of their tenure? They are getting no pass nor do they deserve any pass. The condemnation apparently exists mostly in your point of view.

You're evading the simple question - should Payton Loomis get a pass from any, all criticism because they won won Superbowl?

AsylumGuido · 04-13-2021, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You're evading the simple question - should Payton Loomis get a pass from any, all criticism because they won won Superbowl?

Of course not, if the criticism was warranted. I see very little area for criticism. Far, far less than most in their positions. They have done their best to put the Saints in the position to win it all more times than not over the past two decades. Unfortunately other factors come into play that can affect that ultimate success.

jeanpierre · 04-13-2021, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Of course not, if the criticism was warranted. I see very little area for criticism. Far, far less than most in their positions. They have done their best to put the Saints in the position to win it all more times than not over the past two decades. Unfortunately other factors come into play that can affect that ultimate success.

Still evading the question - Are Payton and Loomis beyond reproach, above any criticism because they won one Superbowl?

gosaints1 · 04-13-2021, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You're evading the simple question - should Payton Loomis get a pass from any, all criticism because they won won Superbowl?

No, they shouldn’t. Critical analysis, unbiased and unemotional =/= toxicity.

AsylumGuido · 04-13-2021, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

No, they shouldn’t. Critical analysis, unbiased and unemotional =/= toxicity.

Therein lies the issue.

04-12-2021, 12:47 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What is the supposed aggregate history that you claim proves your point? The Payton/Loomis era is far and away the most successful in franchise history. Most Saints fans know the history, should they get a pass for their gaffes because of the Superbowl win?

04-12-2021, 12:55 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Most Saints fans know the history, should they get a pass for their gaffes because of the Superbowl win? What gaffes? Their guidance gave the Saints the best opportunities in franchise history to compete for a chance at winning it all. Only one team can win it all in any given year and it takes fortunate bounces here or there to make that happen.

04-12-2021, 03:34 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What gaffes? Their guidance gave the Saints the best opportunities in franchise history to compete for a chance at winning it all. Only one team can win it all in any given year and it takes fortunate bounces here or there to make that happen. So the Patriots and the Ravens are just really lucky? No skill or preparation, knowledge? *#GTFOH* The question is - should they get a pass?
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04-12-2021, 04:07 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre So the Patriots and the Ravens are just really lucky? No skill or preparation, knowledge? *#GTFOH* Yes. The Patriots were lucky that they were in a sorry division that allowed them a guaranteed entry into the postseason some 16 out of 18 years. They also had the greatest QB of all time. Then again, ten of those 16 years were failures based upon your apparent definition of not winning it all. So that means Belichick sucked more years than not, right? Baltimore had their own breaks along the way. Yes, it takes skill, and preparation, and knowledge. But it also take the right series of fortunate events. The Saints have had the skill, preparation, and knowledge required, but came up short due to untimely injuries, questionable (blatantly wrong) calls and a singular bad play here or there. That's NOT on Loomis or Payton. That's just how the cookie crumbles.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

04-12-2021, 04:20 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre So the Patriots and the Ravens are just really lucky? No skill or preparation, knowledge? *#GTFOH* The question is - should they get a pass? Get a pass for what? I don't get where you are coming from on this. Do they (Payton/Loomis) need a pass for being in arguably the best division in the NFC for most of their tenure? They are getting no pass nor do they deserve any pass. The condemnation apparently exists mostly in your point of view.

04-12-2021, 07:00 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What is the supposed aggregate history that you claim proves your point? The Payton/Loomis era is far and away the most successful in franchise history. Originally Posted by jeanpierre Most Saints fans know the history, should they get a pass for their gaffes because of the Superbowl win? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Get a pass for what? I don't get where you are coming from on this. Do they (Payton/Loomis) need a pass for being in arguably the best division in the NFC for most of their tenure? They are getting no pass nor do they deserve any pass. The condemnation apparently exists mostly in your point of view. You're evading the simple question - should Payton Loomis get a pass from any, all criticism because they won won Superbowl?
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04-13-2021, 08:04 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre You're evading the simple question - should Payton Loomis get a pass from any, all criticism because they won won Superbowl? Of course not, if the criticism was warranted. I see very little area for criticism. Far, far less than most in their positions. They have done their best to put the Saints in the position to win it all more times than not over the past two decades. Unfortunately other factors come into play that can affect that ultimate success.

04-13-2021, 01:06 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Of course not, if the criticism was warranted. I see very little area for criticism. Far, far less than most in their positions. They have done their best to put the Saints in the position to win it all more times than not over the past two decades. Unfortunately other factors come into play that can affect that ultimate success. Still evading the question - Are Payton and Loomis beyond reproach, above any criticism because they won one Superbowl?

04-13-2021, 09:49 AM	#9
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre You're evading the simple question - should Payton Loomis get a pass from any, all criticism because they won won Superbowl? No, they shouldn’t. Critical analysis, unbiased and unemotional =/= toxicity.
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04-13-2021, 12:19 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by gosaints1 No, they shouldn’t. Critical analysis, unbiased and unemotional =/= toxicity. Therein lies the issue.