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cap wise i am waiting to see what happens with that one.
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I guess if we must take on the retching refuse of dysfunctional teams, we should recruit the crappiest of their rejects. Lock him in and buckle up, and keep a fire extinguisher handy.
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Put him back in the right system and there's no reason he can't still play at a high level. No serious injuries to worry about, which supports what others have said about his body not breaking down.. and even if he has lost a step, his natural ability and instincts should be more than enough to make up for it. The elite corners generally stay effective for a lot longer than the average ones. Look at Charles Woodson, Champ Bailey, Deio n Sanders, Darrell Green, Aeneas Williams etc. I maintain that if the price is right, they would be crazy not to sign him |
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heck even if you sign Nnamdi i am still hoping to draft another
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Robinson probably but this might be the year he bounce back. Remember he our 1st rd pick and he only been in the league 3 yrs. 1st time as a legitimate starter. I bet if anybody invested s much s the saints did will not be so quick to give up on him
Jabari, are you kidding me. They're plenty article you can find he was compared to revis but since new Orleans marketing is not as great of a Oakland or new York he is one of those unnotice players. True, he was nick up for a couple years but he was on the field I felt comfortable whoever he was line up against (Julius jones, Steve smith, or whomever) I blame spags for line up Robinson against they top wr threat |
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Keep 'em all if Nmandi is signed. Look at last year. Didn't we have a lot of injuries at corner? Greer, White, Marquis Johnson in preseason? Depth at any position from four guys who have all been starters in this league is a rare thing to come by. Why would anyone want to get rid of that?
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Well, that's no different from any other free agency acquisition the Saints could make. There are no guarantees that players will play to their full potential and/or that they can stay healthy, so there are always risks involved, but that's the nature of the business. |
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You should ALWAYS try to improve your team through FA. NA would be an upgrade at CB. Only question is the $$$
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I'm not sure Nnamdi offers the best bang for the buck...
And talking with friends that are Eagles fans that aren't stereo-typical Dome Stumbling types but actually know something -tell me he seemed past his prime and wasn't worth half the money... Plus, it's been document he's selfish and self-centered... I'd rather go younger and sign a Safety like Huff and give us flexibility and youth... Greer and Robinson are going nowhere unless traded as money is either guaranteed or costs little and will provide depth... So why sign an aged corner with limited cap space and the upcoming Graham signing?!? |
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I've said this on a earlier thread, sign the man if he's cheap or cost effective but not at the expense of Greer or White. If NA wants to much money take a pass and let Rob earn his money and coach what we have. I believe Robinson can play he just needs someone to coach him and with the addition of Lewis I believe our secondary is shaping up. Greer was hurt last year, I believe if he stays healthy he's just as good as any other corner with the exception of Revis and other exceptional corners.
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No one knows what Nnamdi is asking for. You can rest assured that if his price IS too high, though, the Saints will not sign him. And about going after younger guys... Because of their age, those guys will demand more money, regardless of their reputation. Unless they absolutely suck. In which case, we don't need those kind of players anyway. A lot of people seem concerned with how we would dispose of either Greer or Robinson in a way that wouldn't cause a significant cap hit, should we sign Asomugha. But if we DO go after, say, Michael Huff, then what happens with Jenkins or Harper? I'm all for an upgrade at any of these positions, but we're going to be faced with the same questions no matter who we bring in. Someone will have to go. It's just the way it is. |
I still think we are better trying to sign Volmer in a long term deal or McKinney on a short term contract and draft OLB/CB In rounds 1-3.
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I think someone may have already said this, and correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we often use Roman Harper as a blitzing safety instead of a fourth linebacker, and put 3 corners and a Jenkins back in coverage? It's still a 3-4 and not our nickel set, which we would also use from time to time, so I get the impression that, if we had all of these guys, we would have 3 corners on the field more often than not.
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Harper is a liability and is being paid way over his spot in the food chain... Huff shifted to cornerback for the Raiders and has shown his depth of skills and attitude in doing so... Signing Huff now would accomplish (1) An upgrade at Safety like that of Darren Sharper's impact... (2) A transition plan for the coming seasons when Jenkins' contract will expire... (3) Some Cap relief, at the very least leverage, in getting Harper's contract at an appropriate level; and Huff should have a market friendly price... I'm really hoping Nnamdi goes to San Fran and the Saints FO move on Huff... If Nnamdi comes, I'm down with it, I'm just not buying his jersey or watching his movie/media career... |
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You brought up players we over paid for. That's cool, I didn't say we never made a bad deal. We had money to give then. The reason I say you can rest assured we will NOT over pay for Nnamdi, is because it is simply impossible right now. Also, I'm aware that we would get little savings from releasing Greer or Robinson. The only way to save is to somehow find a trade partner. I brought up our safeties because they present the same problem. You're saying we should pursue Huff, but that would mean dealing with the financial burden of getting rid of one of our safeties... Now don't misunderstand, I would like an upgrade and Huff could be a nice addition. But he is likely gong to command more than the Saints can give. So they're going after other options, and it is in the opinion of the Saints, as well as many of us that Asomugha can be a very good player for us. We're either going to roll with the safeties we have, and bear with it, or we might draft a guy like Kenny Vaccaro. While Huff might be a nice upgrade, I do strongly disagree that he would give us a Darren Sharper type of impact. He has never been close to that kind of player before. If you don't want Nnamdi, that's ok. But I'm not really buying into the argument against him. |
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Where he shouldn't play is free safety or in a two-deep safety scheme. Theres a reason Troy Polamalu playes Strong Safety and struggles when he has to play center field or two deep. So in a nutshell you are correct. Play the square peg as if it was a square peg. |
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For y'all that don't know , an outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense is used pretty much as a strong safety too ! It's for blitzing purposes
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Philly fingers start to point at Asomugha | ProFootballTalk Eagles' Nnamdi Asomugha questions defensive coordinator's decision-making in loss | NJ.com Asomugha Blames Timezone > “Here, things aren’t as familiar,” Asomugha said, via CSN Bay Area. “The biggest reason is because when I got here, we went straight into football. I didn’t get here in March, so I didn’t have months to get acclimated. It’s the end of September and I’m still getting acclimated to the area and just using my down time to familiarize myself with the East Coast and with football out here.” Philadelphia Eagles: Nnamdi Asomugha reflects on the team’s defensive performance - The Times Herald Quote:
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In my vocation, when I have call-outs in my business and I have to wait in the office for customers, all hours of the day/night -I pass and enjoy time with discussion about sports... And with the Saints, who like all of us are passionate - have seen this story before and I'm cautious of signing Asomugha, coming out of a damaged goods situation by some of his reactions when faced with adversity... I just cited some sources so others can understand my position on signing Asomugha when I believe we should think out of the box and look at other options... |
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I'm fine with getting Huff, if it came down to that, but he's no Darren Sharper in my opinion. I'm not arguing with you that he's better than what we have. I still maintain that we can't afford him. You're telling me that they should bring him in and ask him, but I feel very confident that the Saints have contacted his agent by now, and they probably already know what he's asking for. I don't know why you gave me an article about how bad our defense was. I know this. I said we either roll with the safeties we have (meaning it might be financially necessary) or we might draft a safety. We have a lot of holes to fill on defense, and unfortunately it's not all going to be fixed at once. You somewhat repeated my point when you said we could save by acquiring a need in sending one of our corners as compensation. I agree with this, and that's why I said the only way to save is to find a trade partner. But who is going to give us anything more than maybe a late round pick for these vastly under performing players? This is why I say the Saints can't overpay for anyone they sign right now. Because we're going to be eating some dead money as it is, and we can't simply continue to backload contracts. We've done that before, as you've mentioned, and look where it has put us. Asomugha is not at the age where he would be offered such a deal. If he were a quarterback, sure, but he isn't. The last thing I want to say is that I don't read much into tabloid-style information about Nnamdi not eating with his teammates. Maybe he felt like the others didn't care enough on the field and he just didn't want to be around them? Or maybe, he just likes to eat alone perhaps? I can't believe anyone would buy into that story as being important. And with Hollis Thomas (who never played with him) citing unnamed sources, there isn't much reason to even believe the story is true. We'll see what happens, though. |
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Nnamdi was out of position in Philly this is a true press corner and Philly with that wide whateva Defense you call it had him in space; Yo when you lock up MegaTron than that's saying something.
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One could even argue that ESPN has done the tabloid taint on the sports world... The more troubling article I'd call to your attention was him blasting his defensive coordinator in the newspaper; it's been suggested in discussions here that that's why Johnny Patrick is gone... Would we want to bring in someone who's a history of the same thing... Don't want a player crying in the newspapers and a cited a source showing that very thing in a mainstream Philadelphia publication is not a good thing... |
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People really gotta stop making it seem like just because he ate in his car and talked a couple of times about the DC to the media that he's this loudmouth malcontent. He's never been that. Always been a stand up guy. Even stand up guys, when put in a bad situation, can get frustrated and do things out of the norm. The last 2 season with the Eagles were clearly not a working or social enviroment he was used to. Pretty sure coming back to a coach who knows you like the back of his hand and will put you in the best position to do well won't have him complaining to the media in NOLA. And NOBODY knows why Johnny Patrick got released. Maybe its the simple fact he'd pretty much gotten passed up on the depth chart by rookies and FAs that came in, and his poor performance........you know ACTUAL valid reasons for cutting someone. Everyone assumes it was Patrick.....nobody ever assumed it was the one guy that Spags benched halfway through the season in Shanle? |
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You know, if Rob Ryan really likes the guy, loves him, all he really needs to do is just blow some smoke, create a bidding war, and help Nnamdi get more from the 49ers, drive up the price and make the 49ers pay more for his services. It is a business after all, a business where people make friendships. I can kinda see a scenario where the Saints say ALL the right things, "reportedly are making a big push for him," Ryan really wants him, Payton says he's an elite talent, whipping the fan base into a frenzy, etc. etc. all to make the 49ers sweat a little more.
Then when Nnamdi's agent writes an obscenely high number on a napkin and slides it across the table at the restaurant at lunch, Loomis and company fold and say "too much money, we pass." Then the agent goes back to San Francisco and says, "they turned down our offer, but are still interested in him, they really want him -- but you can have him signed today, for X amount more than your first offer." Then Ryan wishes Nnamdi "all the best" in the media and the two eventually retire as very rich men and see each other a few times a season. It's not outside the realm of possibility that a lot of this is just smoke. |
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I'm not going to put a stigma on a guy who did something like that one time with one team. Especially when he doesn't have a history of doing that his whole career. I just feel that people need to look at it realistically. Speaking to the media 1-2 times about something going on within the team shouldn't automatically mean you're not a team player or you should get a pink slip or never be put on another team again. I honestly don't have a problem with him saying anything to the media about his DC. Why? Because: 1. It was and instance where he had valid reason to question the ability of a DC thats never coached defense in his career. 2. He was in a lockeroom where the culture doesn't dictate that you keep your mouth shut to the media. He was in Philly where you can claim you're a dynasty and a dream team before you even step foot on the field as a team. Different teams have different lockeroom cultures....and clearly Philly didn't have the same philosophy as the Saints......Shockey sure didn't have that type of culture while he was with the Giants....didn't stop him from falling in line when he came here. 3. And the most important reason IDGAF about him talking to the media in Philly......At least he put his name on it....as opposed to cowards who don't. |
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The fact that he hasnt made up his mind yet makes me not want him here. Is Harbaugh that tempting? Then go play for his a@@ Nnamdi is already showing that he wants a shortcut to a title(SF), which never happens.
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PFT-Bryant McKinnie, Nnamdi Asomugha on Saints’ radar
Bryant McKinnie, Nnamdi Asomugha on Saints’ radar | ProFootballTalk
The Saints could be preparing to add a couple of former Pro Bowlers — albeit former Pro Bowlers who haven’t played at a Pro Bowl level recently. Both left tackle Bryant McKinnie and cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha are on the Saints’ radar, according to the New Orleans Times-Picayune. McKinnie hadn’t previously been linked to the Saints, but he said in an interview on WNST in Baltimore that the Saints have shown interest in him. A source told the Times-Picayune that there were “general” talks between McKinnie and the Saints, but nothing more than that. After losing Jermon Bushrod in free agency, the Saints would like to add a left tackle. McKinnie started all four postseason games for the Ravens and is now an unrestricted free agent. Asomugha has met with the Saints, and the Times-Picayune reports that the Saints view the choice of whether to come to New Orleans as Asomugha’s to make. |
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Brees spoke thru the media both during his contract negotiations and the CBA negotiations.
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I don't think our DBs are as bad as they're being made out to be. I think if you want instant impact a proven, effective pass rusher is the answer. Hicks and Jordan are going to help a lot but we still need that edge rusher to really put pressure on the opposing O line. Just that one thing could transform this defense into a top 15 unit.
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He was on our team already and from what I heard held out because of Payton(he couldnt talk with him once he signed). And so was Vilma when he was debating. But he signed within the first day of FA. Nnamdi is still waiting to make a decision. |
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Did.nt they offer him 2 mill this year with a 5 mill signing boner so 7 mill a year is about right
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OMG, I can't believe some people still want to see an aging CB in a Saints uniform. The Saint's will be better off spending the money on the D Line and a OLB who can generate some pass rush, if this happens our current CB will look to be all pro.
If its gotten overlooked still need a LT way more than we need Nnamdi A.. Let him go back to California and get over paid for his services, seems like we have enough of that already with Will Smith and Johnathon Vilma regardless if they restructured their contracts. |
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