2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

ChrisXVI · 04-04-2021, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Yep yep.

But dammit, I still want Jabrill Cox in the 2nd (assuming he drops) . Demario Davis is a beast but one year older & not a whole lot behind him. Baun ... still a question mark.

IMO the meat and potatoes of the draft are rounds 2-4. Winfield Jr, Diggs, Hurts, Dobbins, Claypool & our very own Adam Trautman (3rd rd) taken on Day 2, 3 had impact for their respective teams as rookies.

Day 2 (see Michael Thomas) Saints draft selection could be just as important as that #28 pick.

We’re going to trade up in the second round. With all the extra picks we’re getting next year we aren’t going to care one bit about trading them away. I think we’ll go Zaven Collins in the first and then trade up in the second for a CB.

gosaints1 · 04-04-2021, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Trask in Round 2 makes sense...

A QB this year so early is a waste, imho. Roll with Winston or Hill..., or both at the same time if need. Give both a chance to earn, and own, the starting gig. I just don’t see the value in a QB so soon, when we have Hill and Winston on the roster, and neither have been handed the keys to the team yet.

Bottom line, let’s see what they can do. Our first three rounds, including comp picks, need to be immediate assets, playing assets also. Not projects.

ChrisXVI · 04-04-2021, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

A QB this year so early is a waste, imho. Roll with Winston or Hill..., or both at the same time if need. Give both a chance to earn, and own, the starting gig. I just don’t see the value in a QB so soon, when we have Hill and Winston on the roster, and neither have been handed the keys to the team yet.

Bottom line, let’s see what they can do. Our first three rounds, including comp picks, need to be immediate assets, playing assets also. Not projects.

Agreed 100%.

lee909 · 04-04-2021, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

A QB this year so early is a waste, imho. Roll with Winston or Hill..., or both at the same time if need. Give both a chance to earn, and own, the starting gig. I just don’t see the value in a QB so soon, when we have Hill and Winston on the roster, and neither have been handed the keys to the team yet.

Bottom line, let’s see what they can do. Our first three rounds, including comp picks, need to be immediate assets, playing assets also. Not projects.

Maybe but if you Draft Trask in the 2nd round this year and he shows he can do a job even just to the same level as Winston or Hill then you save a fortune in 2022 with his deal being not much above 1ml a year. If the front office think he is a future starter i would argue it makes plenty of sense

gosaints1 · 04-04-2021, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Maybe but if you Draft Trask in the 2nd round this year and he shows he can do a job even just to the same level as Winston or Hill then you save a fortune in 2022 with his deal being not much above 1ml a year. If the front office think he is a future starter i would argue it makes plenty of sense

I get your logic and agree, but we fairly recently (2015 iirc) drafted a third round QB, didn’t work out but the FO must have though very highly of him, given the fairly high draft pick, 75 overall, used. I’m not as confident in the Saints player analytics wrt QB’s as I am wrt OLinemen, lol.

The way I’m looking at the QB pos’n right now is unless there is a slam dunk guarantee starter, in this draft, who will be better than Jameis or Taysom..., then don’t address a possible “need” or a possible “cap saver”. This team has some quite obvious, unambiguous needs. Prioritize those.

jeanpierre · 04-05-2021, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

I get your logic and agree, but we fairly recently (2015 iirc) drafted a third round QB, didn’t work out but the FO must have though very highly of him, given the fairly high draft pick, 75 overall, used. I’m not as confident in the Saints player analytics wrt QB’s as I am wrt OLinemen, lol.

The way I’m looking at the QB pos’n right now is unless there is a slam dunk guarantee starter, in this draft, who will be better than Jameis or Taysom..., then don’t address a possible “need” or a possible “cap saver”. This team has some quite obvious, unambiguous needs. Prioritize those.

Tom Brady was the 199th pick, Round 6. Joe Montana a third round pick. Drew Brees was the 32nd pick, and Brett Favre 33rd pick, both in the second round...

Kurt Warner was an Undrafted Free Agent...

So your QB can come from any location, though I admit, most come in the first round...

lee909 · 04-04-2021, 07:15 PM

Bored again at work

Trade
Saints Received
36
50
81
258

Dolphins Received
28
98
105

36
Jayson Oweh
Penn State

50
Walker Little
Stanford

60
Quinn Meinerz
Wisconsin - Whitewater

98
Jamin Davis
Kentucky

Trade
Saints Received
98
105

Dolphins Received
81

105
Tay Gowan
UCF

133
Milton Williams
Louisiana Tech

218
Patrick Jones
Pittsburgh

229
Riley Cole
South Alabama

255
Josh Imatorbhebhe
Illinois

258
Robert Jones
Middle Tennessee

Overall
New Orleans Saints
B+

lee909 · 04-04-2021, 07:27 PM

Yeah im really bored

28
Caleb Farley
Virginia Tech

60
Carlos Basham Jr
Wake Forest

98
Jamin Davis
Kentucky

105
Milton Williams
Louisiana Tech

133
Tay Gowan
UCF

218
Tarron Jackson
Coastal Carolina

229
Josh Imatorbhebhe
Illinois

255
Larry Rountree III
Missouri

Overall
New Orleans Saints
B+

K Major · 04-04-2021, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Yeah im really bored

28
Caleb Farley
Virginia Tech

Lee I know this is only a "mock" but I hope the Saints stay away from guys with medical red flags in college. Especially that high in the draft. No biggie if we are taking a gamble on a 6th or undrafted player. But 1st or 2nd round ? No way.

Ha'oli Kikaha comes to mind.

lee909 · 04-04-2021, 07:41 PM

MOCK DRAFT RESULTS
pff.com/mock

DRAFT GRADE
Saints Received
31
94

Kansas Received
28

31
Rashod Bateman
Minnesota

Trade
Saints Received
42

Giants Received
60
94

42
Zaven Collins
Tulsa

98
Tay Gowan
UCF

105
Osa Odighizuwa
UCLA

133
Jamin Davis
Kentucky

218
Michal Menet
Penn State

229
Josh Imatorbhebhe
Illinois

255
Tarron Jackson
Coastal Carolina

Overall
New Orleans Saints
B

04-04-2021, 07:01 PM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major Yep yep. But dammit, I still want Jabrill Cox in the 2nd (assuming he drops) . Demario Davis is a beast but one year older & not a whole lot behind him. Baun ... still a question mark. IMO the meat and potatoes of the draft are rounds 2-4. Winfield Jr, Diggs, Hurts, Dobbins, Claypool & our very own Adam Trautman (3rd rd) taken on Day 2, 3 had impact for their respective teams as rookies. Day 2 (see Michael Thomas) Saints draft selection could be just as important as that #28 pick. We’re going to trade up in the second round. With all the extra picks we’re getting next year we aren’t going to care one bit about trading them away. I think we’ll go Zaven Collins in the first and then trade up in the second for a CB.

04-04-2021, 06:50 PM	#2
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Trask in Round 2 makes sense... A QB this year so early is a waste, imho. Roll with Winston or Hill..., or both at the same time if need. Give both a chance to earn, and own, the starting gig. I just don’t see the value in a QB so soon, when we have Hill and Winston on the roster, and neither have been handed the keys to the team yet. Bottom line, let’s see what they can do. Our first three rounds, including comp picks, need to be immediate assets, playing assets also. Not projects.
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04-04-2021, 06:57 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by gosaints1 A QB this year so early is a waste, imho. Roll with Winston or Hill..., or both at the same time if need. Give both a chance to earn, and own, the starting gig. I just don’t see the value in a QB so soon, when we have Hill and Winston on the roster, and neither have been handed the keys to the team yet. Bottom line, let’s see what they can do. Our first three rounds, including comp picks, need to be immediate assets, playing assets also. Not projects. Agreed 100%.

04-04-2021, 07:11 PM	#4
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,780 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by gosaints1 A QB this year so early is a waste, imho. Roll with Winston or Hill..., or both at the same time if need. Give both a chance to earn, and own, the starting gig. I just don’t see the value in a QB so soon, when we have Hill and Winston on the roster, and neither have been handed the keys to the team yet. Bottom line, let’s see what they can do. Our first three rounds, including comp picks, need to be immediate assets, playing assets also. Not projects. Maybe but if you Draft Trask in the 2nd round this year and he shows he can do a job even just to the same level as Winston or Hill then you save a fortune in 2022 with his deal being not much above 1ml a year. If the front office think he is a future starter i would argue it makes plenty of sense

04-04-2021, 07:37 PM	#5
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by lee909 Maybe but if you Draft Trask in the 2nd round this year and he shows he can do a job even just to the same level as Winston or Hill then you save a fortune in 2022 with his deal being not much above 1ml a year. If the front office think he is a future starter i would argue it makes plenty of sense I get your logic and agree, but we fairly recently (2015 iirc) drafted a third round QB, didn’t work out but the FO must have though very highly of him, given the fairly high draft pick, 75 overall, used. I’m not as confident in the Saints player analytics wrt QB’s as I am wrt OLinemen, lol. The way I’m looking at the QB pos’n right now is unless there is a slam dunk guarantee starter, in this draft, who will be better than Jameis or Taysom..., then don’t address a possible “need” or a possible “cap saver”. This team has some quite obvious, unambiguous needs. Prioritize those.
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576

04-05-2021, 10:10 AM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by gosaints1 I get your logic and agree, but we fairly recently (2015 iirc) drafted a third round QB, didn’t work out but the FO must have though very highly of him, given the fairly high draft pick, 75 overall, used. I’m not as confident in the Saints player analytics wrt QB’s as I am wrt OLinemen, lol. The way I’m looking at the QB pos’n right now is unless there is a slam dunk guarantee starter, in this draft, who will be better than Jameis or Taysom..., then don’t address a possible “need” or a possible “cap saver”. This team has some quite obvious, unambiguous needs. Prioritize those. Tom Brady was the 199th pick, Round 6. Joe Montana a third round pick. Drew Brees was the 32nd pick, and Brett Favre 33rd pick, both in the second round... Kurt Warner was an Undrafted Free Agent... So your QB can come from any location, though I admit, most come in the first round...

04-04-2021, 07:15 PM	#7
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,780 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Bored again at work Trade Saints Received 36 50 81 258 Dolphins Received 28 98 105 36 Jayson Oweh Penn State 50 Walker Little Stanford 60 Quinn Meinerz Wisconsin - Whitewater 98 Jamin Davis Kentucky Trade Saints Received 98 105 Dolphins Received 81 105 Tay Gowan UCF 133 Milton Williams Louisiana Tech 218 Patrick Jones Pittsburgh 229 Riley Cole South Alabama 255 Josh Imatorbhebhe Illinois 258 Robert Jones Middle Tennessee Overall New Orleans Saints B+

04-04-2021, 07:27 PM	#8
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,780 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Yeah im really bored 28 Caleb Farley Virginia Tech 60 Carlos Basham Jr Wake Forest 98 Jamin Davis Kentucky 105 Milton Williams Louisiana Tech 133 Tay Gowan UCF 218 Tarron Jackson Coastal Carolina 229 Josh Imatorbhebhe Illinois 255 Larry Rountree III Missouri Overall New Orleans Saints B+

04-04-2021, 08:02 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,078 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by lee909 Yeah im really bored 28 Caleb Farley Virginia Tech Lee I know this is only a "mock" but I hope the Saints stay away from guys with medical red flags in college. Especially that high in the draft. No biggie if we are taking a gamble on a 6th or undrafted player. But 1st or 2nd round ? No way. Ha'oli Kikaha comes to mind.

04-04-2021, 07:41 PM	#10
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,780 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints MOCK DRAFT RESULTS pff.com/mock DRAFT GRADE Saints Received 31 94 Kansas Received 28 31 Rashod Bateman Minnesota Trade Saints Received 42 Giants Received 60 94 42 Zaven Collins Tulsa 98 Tay Gowan UCF 105 Osa Odighizuwa UCLA 133 Jamin Davis Kentucky 218 Michal Menet Penn State 229 Josh Imatorbhebhe Illinois 255 Tarron Jackson Coastal Carolina Overall New Orleans Saints B

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