I'd like to try and get Derek Carr

Rugby Saint II · 02-08-2023, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The Saints clearly are not willing to toss everything out and "rebuild" as some fans suggest. Carr is a known commodity while any QB coming through the draft is to varying degrees unknowns as it applies to the NFL. I'm really warming to the idea of bringing Carr in and using our draft and remaining cap assets in plugging a few of the holes around him and starting competing immediately. We would be favorites to win the division from day one.

I originally wanted Derek Carr to come in because I had hoped he would be able to take the New Orleans Saints strong core to the playoffs in a division championship, but then I thought about a small rebuild where we bring in our quarterback of the future and build around him with our extra capital. I am definitely open to Derek Carr and the short-term potential he offers.

AsylumGuido · 02-08-2023, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I originally wanted Derek Carr to come in because I had hoped he would be able to take the New Orleans Saints strong core to the playoffs in a division championship, but then I thought about a small rebuild where we bring in our quarterback of the future and around him with our extra capital. I am definitely open to Derek Carr and the short-term potential he offers.

The problem with that is that it may take a decade of drafting QB's until we can find one that can fit the bill of "QB of the future". By then our capital would have been wasted and we could have spent the entire decade floundering while hoping that the next one might work out.

Rugby Saint II · 02-08-2023, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The problem with that is that it may take a decade of drafting QB's until we can find one that can fit the bill of "QB of the future". By then our capital would have been wasted and we could have spent the entire decade floundering while hoping that the next one might work out.

Excellent point!

SmashMouth · 02-08-2023, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I don't think Dennis Allen has any faith in Winston and I expect him to be backing up another quarterback next year. Also, Dennis Allen is already under the microscope and on the hot seat and probably feels the need for a veteran to help solidify the offense so he doesn't get fired. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The Saints clearly are not willing to toss everything out and "rebuild" as some fans suggest. Carr is a known commodity while any QB coming through the draft is to varying degrees unknowns as it applies to the NFL. I'm really warming to the idea of bringing Carr in and using our draft and remaining cap assets in plugging a few of the holes around him and starting competing immediately. We would be favorites to win the division from day one.

Originally Posted by voodooido

I don’t think anyone has a drop of faith in JW. It’s time for him to become a cheap backup or bag groceries. I’m all for going all in to get carr.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The problem with that is that it may take a decade of drafting QB's until we can find one that can fit the bill of "QB of the future". By then our capital would have been wasted and we could have spent the entire decade floundering while hoping that the next one might work out.

Exactly... that's why you make the move and restructure the contract a la Loomis. And also draft QBs, even in the second round. In fact I'd draft two QBs, Hooker and some other one, maybe the Fresno St QB, the senior bowl MVP. Stetson could an UDFA too. Come to think of it, isn't it how the Feagles did it?

jnormand · 02-08-2023, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

I don’t think anyone has a drop of faith in JW. It’s time for him to become a cheap backup or bag groceries. I’m all for going all in to get carr.

I’m good for going for Carr. But his salary is HUGE for a QB that has probably reached his ceiling. I think he’s better then what we have and can be productive but dang! That’s a lot of dough and it’ll probably take a 2nd or 3 rounder to boot.

Yikes!

voodooido · 02-08-2023, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I’m good for going for Carr. But his salary is HUGE for a QB that has probably reached his ceiling. I think he’s better then what we have and can be productive but dang! That’s a lot of dough and it’ll probably take a 2nd or 3 rounder to boot.

Yikes!

Restructuring would be promised in the trade. He knows he is not worth what he’s being paid. Backload the new contract until this cap mess clears up

AsylumGuido · 02-08-2023, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Restructuring would be promised in the trade. He knows he is not worth what he’s being paid. Backload the new contract until this cap mess clears up

Restructuring his base salary to a signing bonus is an advantage to the player. Instead of getting 17 weekly game checks he gets the bulk of it up front. The team just accounts for it in subsequent years.

AsylumGuido · 02-08-2023, 04:54 PM

Carr is still meeting with the Saints.

leilung · 02-08-2023, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Is Derek Carr really more like Jim Everett 2.0, and not Drew Brees 2.0 ?

Everett was 31 when he was traded to the Saints. Derek Carr is 31.

We got 3 years out of Everett before we moved on.

We were thinking that we were getting 1988 or 1989 Everett when he showed up in 1994. He was more like 1992 and 1993 Everett.

Just FYI, Carr is 32 in a few weeks. Not that it matters to the front office. They're gonna do what they're gonna do, regardless of what we think!

halloween 65 · 02-08-2023, 05:52 PM

Got a good feeling it's a wink, wink deal.

02-08-2023, 03:17 PM	#131
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The Saints clearly are not willing to toss everything out and "rebuild" as some fans suggest. Carr is a known commodity while any QB coming through the draft is to varying degrees unknowns as it applies to the NFL. I'm really warming to the idea of bringing Carr in and using our draft and remaining cap assets in plugging a few of the holes around him and starting competing immediately. We would be favorites to win the division from day one. I originally wanted Derek Carr to come in because I had hoped he would be able to take the New Orleans Saints strong core to the playoffs in a division championship, but then I thought about a small rebuild where we bring in our quarterback of the future and build around him with our extra capital. I am definitely open to Derek Carr and the short-term potential he offers.

02-08-2023, 03:23 PM	#132
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I originally wanted Derek Carr to come in because I had hoped he would be able to take the New Orleans Saints strong core to the playoffs in a division championship, but then I thought about a small rebuild where we bring in our quarterback of the future and around him with our extra capital. I am definitely open to Derek Carr and the short-term potential he offers. The problem with that is that it may take a decade of drafting QB's until we can find one that can fit the bill of "QB of the future". By then our capital would have been wasted and we could have spent the entire decade floundering while hoping that the next one might work out. Rugby Saint II and rezburna like this.

02-08-2023, 03:35 PM	#133
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The problem with that is that it may take a decade of drafting QB's until we can find one that can fit the bill of "QB of the future". By then our capital would have been wasted and we could have spent the entire decade floundering while hoping that the next one might work out. Excellent point!

02-08-2023, 03:36 PM	#134
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I don't think Dennis Allen has any faith in Winston and I expect him to be backing up another quarterback next year. Also, Dennis Allen is already under the microscope and on the hot seat and probably feels the need for a veteran to help solidify the offense so he doesn't get fired. Good luck with that. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The Saints clearly are not willing to toss everything out and "rebuild" as some fans suggest. Carr is a known commodity while any QB coming through the draft is to varying degrees unknowns as it applies to the NFL. I'm really warming to the idea of bringing Carr in and using our draft and remaining cap assets in plugging a few of the holes around him and starting competing immediately. We would be favorites to win the division from day one. Originally Posted by voodooido I don’t think anyone has a drop of faith in JW. It’s time for him to become a cheap backup or bag groceries. I’m all for going all in to get carr. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The problem with that is that it may take a decade of drafting QB's until we can find one that can fit the bill of "QB of the future". By then our capital would have been wasted and we could have spent the entire decade floundering while hoping that the next one might work out. Exactly... that's why you make the move and restructure the contract a la Loomis. And also draft QBs, even in the second round. In fact I'd draft two QBs, Hooker and some other one, maybe the Fresno St QB, the senior bowl MVP. Stetson could an UDFA too. Come to think of it, isn't it how the Feagles did it? Rugby Saint II and rezburna like this.

02-08-2023, 03:52 PM	#135
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,661	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by voodooido I don’t think anyone has a drop of faith in JW. It’s time for him to become a cheap backup or bag groceries. I’m all for going all in to get carr. I’m good for going for Carr. But his salary is HUGE for a QB that has probably reached his ceiling. I think he’s better then what we have and can be productive but dang! That’s a lot of dough and it’ll probably take a 2nd or 3 rounder to boot. Yikes! SmashMouth likes this.

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02-08-2023, 04:16 PM	#136
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by jnormand I’m good for going for Carr. But his salary is HUGE for a QB that has probably reached his ceiling. I think he’s better then what we have and can be productive but dang! That’s a lot of dough and it’ll probably take a 2nd or 3 rounder to boot. Yikes! Restructuring would be promised in the trade. He knows he is not worth what he’s being paid. Backload the new contract until this cap mess clears up
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02-08-2023, 04:42 PM	#137
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by voodooido Restructuring would be promised in the trade. He knows he is not worth what he’s being paid. Backload the new contract until this cap mess clears up Restructuring his base salary to a signing bonus is an advantage to the player. Instead of getting 17 weekly game checks he gets the bulk of it up front. The team just accounts for it in subsequent years.

02-08-2023, 04:54 PM	#138
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Carr is still meeting with the Saints. Twitter

02-08-2023, 05:16 PM	#139
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,369	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by SmashMouth Is Derek Carr really more like Jim Everett 2.0, and not Drew Brees 2.0 ? Everett was 31 when he was traded to the Saints. Derek Carr is 31. We got 3 years out of Everett before we moved on. We were thinking that we were getting 1988 or 1989 Everett when he showed up in 1994. He was more like 1992 and 1993 Everett. Just FYI, Carr is 32 in a few weeks. Not that it matters to the front office. They're gonna do what they're gonna do, regardless of what we think! SmashMouth likes this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Got a good feeling it's a wink, wink deal. SmashMouth likes this.