Head Coach Search

Rell&Gold · 02-02-2022, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right?

You think he is making the racism thing up??? I'm confused

Boston Saint · 02-02-2022, 04:54 PM

I don’t see anything here indicating this person was treated in any way negatively specifically because he was black. Just my opinion. The most glaring “racial” issue I see brought up is that black players are over represented at 70%. If the league was serious about “equity” then there would be a move to increase Asian, Hispanic, and White players.

Rell&Gold · 02-02-2022, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I don’t see anything here indicating this person was treated in any way negatively specifically because he was black. Just my opinion. The most glaring “racial” issue I see brought up is that black players are over represented at 70%. If the league was serious about “equity” then there would be a move to increase Asian, Hispanic, and White players.

Treat this guy how you treat guys treat Guido or is Guido the only one who can be chastised for comments seen as unfavorable??? Like what are you getting at?

saintfan · 02-02-2022, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Treat this guy how you treat guys treat Guido or is Guido the only one who can be chastised for comments seen as unfavorable??? Like what are you getting at?

Speedo has a very long history of race-baiting and making personal attacks on other members.

We all get chippy from time to time. We are here to discuss, debate, and even argue. We're a family here. Speedo goes out of his way to attack people across threads for no other reason than his ego. Speedo doesn't understand the art of allowing someone to have his/her own opinion. He wants to play with the big boys but he doesn't know how.

Speedo is currently eating his own dog food, so to speak. All he ever had to do was stop, as far back as 3+ years ago when I asked him to, and as recently as last September when I warned him, finally, to stop personally attacking folks else he get was he gives in magnitudes. Here we are.

The moment speedo owns it is the moment it stops. Right now he's too busy trying to divide the board and convince the unwashed that he's some sort of victim. He's far from that.

Y'all carry on...

Rell&Gold · 02-02-2022, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Speedo has a very long history of race-baiting and making personal attacks on other members.

We all get chippy from time to time. We are here to discuss, debate, and even argue. We're a family here. Speedo goes out of his way to attack people across threads for no other reason than his ego.

Speedo is currently eating his own dog food, so to speak. All he ever had to do was stop, as far back as 3+ years ago when I asked him to, and as recently as last September when I warned him, finally, to stop personally attacking folks.

The moment speedo owns it is the moment it stops.

Y'all carry on...

Right is Right Wrong is Wrong Saint. To sit up here and deny the obvious or make insinuations that deny the obvious discrimination in the NFL amongst black coaches is insane. I'm not saying you are doing that but to ANY member that is don't leave no stone unturned. I don't think nobody questions the blatant disdain Goodell has toward the Saints but will sit up here and act as if racism in the NFL a made-up illusion of some sort is something that also shouldn't be allowed.

saintfan · 02-02-2022, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Right is Right Wrong is Wrong Saint. To sit up here and deny the obvious or make insinuations that deny the obvious discrimination in the NFL amongst black coaches is insane. I'm not saying you are doing that but to ANY member that is don't leave no stone unturned. I don't think nobody questions the blatant disdain Goodell has toward the Saints but will sit up here and act as if racism in the NFL a made-up illusion of some sort is something that also shouldn't be allowed.

110% agree. Racism is very real, and frankly I hope Flores is able to keep coaching. Unlikely that he'll win much the deck is almost hopelessly stacked against him but who knows - lawyers are tricky ****ers.

We should hire him. He did a hell of a job with Miami, and now we know why they showed him the door. I want him that much more cause it seems he has no problem telling a nefarious actor to go

himself at his own peril. I respect the **** out of that.

Boston Saint · 02-02-2022, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Treat this guy how you treat guys treat Guido or is Guido the only one who can be chastised for comments seen as unfavorable??? Like what are you getting at?

I’m getting at the idea that there is not much evidence that Flores was treated with racial discrimination other than that teams were forced to give him a phony interview (in his opinion) to comply with a rule put in to pander to minority coaches.

AsylumGuido · 02-03-2022, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’m getting at the idea that there is not much evidence that Flores was treated with racial discrimination other than that teams were forced to give him a phony interview (in his opinion) to comply with a rule put in to pander to minority coaches.

And that's why there is a judicial system, Boston. If any wrong doing is solely in Flores' opinion then there is nothing that will come about from any of those parts of the complaint. If wrong doing is proven then the defendants will be punished. That part is very simple.

One extremely important point to keep in mind is that the filing is "class action". That means it is not entirely dedicated to complaints associated with Brian Flores but is open to any others that fall under its umbrella. The defendants named are the NFL itself, the Broncos, the Dolphins, the Giants, and all other 29 teams (named as "John Doe Teams"). That means anyone with grievances concerning related hiring and/or firing practices in the NFL can join the suit. This is not necessarily limited to black males. It can be persons of any race, creed, color, or gender with qualifying complaints concerning the listed defendants.

iceshack149 · 02-03-2022, 09:11 AM

I thought the NFL ended racism? I know that I turned on a game early this season and was cured of my racism when I read "END RACISM" in the endzone and on players helmets.

Seriously, the woke culture ends up eating itself and I'm ready to watch Goodell suffer because of it.

saintsfan1976 · 02-02-2022, 05:43 PM

And why is being a head coach the epitome of success in the NFL? Is it only related to pay?

How many total staff members of color are there in the entire NFL?

Are there enough coordinators? What about strength trainers? Communication directors?

02-02-2022, 06:47 PM	#1
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,874	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right? You think he is making the racism thing up??? I'm confused

02-02-2022, 04:54 PM	#2
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,895	Re: Head Coach Search I don’t see anything here indicating this person was treated in any way negatively specifically because he was black. Just my opinion. The most glaring “racial” issue I see brought up is that black players are over represented at 70%. If the league was serious about “equity” then there would be a move to increase Asian, Hispanic, and White players.

02-02-2022, 06:51 PM	#3
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,874	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint I don’t see anything here indicating this person was treated in any way negatively specifically because he was black. Just my opinion. The most glaring “racial” issue I see brought up is that black players are over represented at 70%. If the league was serious about “equity” then there would be a move to increase Asian, Hispanic, and White players. Treat this guy how you treat guys treat Guido or is Guido the only one who can be chastised for comments seen as unfavorable??? Like what are you getting at?

02-02-2022, 06:58 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Treat this guy how you treat guys treat Guido or is Guido the only one who can be chastised for comments seen as unfavorable??? Like what are you getting at? Speedo has a very long history of race-baiting and making personal attacks on other members. We all get chippy from time to time. We are here to discuss, debate, and even argue. We're a family here. Speedo goes out of his way to attack people across threads for no other reason than his ego. Speedo doesn't understand the art of allowing someone to have his/her own opinion. He wants to play with the big boys but he doesn't know how. Speedo is currently eating his own dog food, so to speak. All he ever had to do was stop, as far back as 3+ years ago when I asked him to, and as recently as last September when I warned him, finally, to stop personally attacking folks else he get was he gives in magnitudes. Here we are. The moment speedo owns it is the moment it stops. Right now he's too busy trying to divide the board and convince the unwashed that he's some sort of victim. He's far from that. Y'all carry on...
	C'mon Man...

02-02-2022, 07:04 PM	#5
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,874	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by saintfan Speedo has a very long history of race-baiting and making personal attacks on other members. We all get chippy from time to time. We are here to discuss, debate, and even argue. We're a family here. Speedo goes out of his way to attack people across threads for no other reason than his ego. Speedo is currently eating his own dog food, so to speak. All he ever had to do was stop, as far back as 3+ years ago when I asked him to, and as recently as last September when I warned him, finally, to stop personally attacking folks. The moment speedo owns it is the moment it stops. Y'all carry on... Right is Right Wrong is Wrong Saint. To sit up here and deny the obvious or make insinuations that deny the obvious discrimination in the NFL amongst black coaches is insane. I'm not saying you are doing that but to ANY member that is don't leave no stone unturned. I don't think nobody questions the blatant disdain Goodell has toward the Saints but will sit up here and act as if racism in the NFL a made-up illusion of some sort is something that also shouldn't be allowed.

02-02-2022, 07:09 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Right is Right Wrong is Wrong Saint. To sit up here and deny the obvious or make insinuations that deny the obvious discrimination in the NFL amongst black coaches is insane. I'm not saying you are doing that but to ANY member that is don't leave no stone unturned. I don't think nobody questions the blatant disdain Goodell has toward the Saints but will sit up here and act as if racism in the NFL a made-up illusion of some sort is something that also shouldn't be allowed. 110% agree. Racism is very real, and frankly I hope Flores is able to keep coaching. Unlikely that he'll win much the deck is almost hopelessly stacked against him but who knows - lawyers are tricky **ers. We should hire him. He did a hell of a job with Miami, and now we know why they showed him the door. I want him that much more cause it seems he has no problem telling a nefarious actor to go himself at his own peril. I respect the ** out of that.

02-02-2022, 07:44 PM	#7
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,895	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Treat this guy how you treat guys treat Guido or is Guido the only one who can be chastised for comments seen as unfavorable??? Like what are you getting at? I’m getting at the idea that there is not much evidence that Flores was treated with racial discrimination other than that teams were forced to give him a phony interview (in his opinion) to comply with a rule put in to pander to minority coaches.

02-03-2022, 08:56 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,474	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’m getting at the idea that there is not much evidence that Flores was treated with racial discrimination other than that teams were forced to give him a phony interview (in his opinion) to comply with a rule put in to pander to minority coaches. And that's why there is a judicial system, Boston. If any wrong doing is solely in Flores' opinion then there is nothing that will come about from any of those parts of the complaint. If wrong doing is proven then the defendants will be punished. That part is very simple. One extremely important point to keep in mind is that the filing is "class action". That means it is not entirely dedicated to complaints associated with Brian Flores but is open to any others that fall under its umbrella. The defendants named are the NFL itself, the Broncos, the Dolphins, the Giants, and all other 29 teams (named as "John Doe Teams"). That means anyone with grievances concerning related hiring and/or firing practices in the NFL can join the suit. This is not necessarily limited to black males. It can be persons of any race, creed, color, or gender with qualifying complaints concerning the listed defendants.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-03-2022, 09:11 AM	#9
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,111 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Head Coach Search I thought the NFL ended racism? I know that I turned on a game early this season and was cured of my racism when I read "END RACISM" in the endzone and on players helmets. Seriously, the woke culture ends up eating itself and I'm ready to watch Goodell suffer because of it.

02-02-2022, 05:43 PM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,565 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Search And why is being a head coach the epitome of success in the NFL? Is it only related to pay? How many total staff members of color are there in the entire NFL? Are there enough coordinators? What about strength trainers? Communication directors?

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