We shouldn't assume every coach aspires to become a head coach. Since 1990, the average NFL HC tenure is just 4 seasons (link below). The pressure, the responsibility, the media.... It's not like it's a sweet gig man.

Pete Carmichael is a great example.


Link https://vikingsterritory.com/2020/ge...ans-for-zimmer

Carmichael, however, has interviewed for multiple head coaching openings in the past. The Raiders, Packers, and the Saints among them. You are correct that not every coach that aspires to be a head coach has the makeup to be a success.

Then why are we distilling it down to race

I'm wondering the same thing, saintsfan1976. This lawsuit affects ALL avenues of the hiring and firing processes in the NFL. Lily white Jane Doe can be benefited, as well.

Statement from the lawyers:

“In certain critical ways, the NFL is racially segregated and is managed much like a plantation. Its 32 owners—none of whom are Black—profit substantially from the labor of NFL players, 70% of whom are Black. The owners watch the games from atop NFL stadiums in their luxury boxes, while their majority-Black workforce put their bodies on the line every Sunday, taking vicious hits and suffering debilitating injuries to their bodies and their brains while the NFL and its owners reap billions of dollars.”

Really out to help the lily whites....


I did read one good thing: Seeking retribution for the absolute failure of the NFL to protect retired players with healthcare and the sheer criminality of hiding scientific evidence regarding brain trauma.

Then why are we distilling it down to race

It’s distilling down to race because Black coaches are saying they want to be head coaches. Black executives are saying they want to be GM’s and Presidents. Black billionaires, the VERY short list of them that exist in this country, are saying they want ownership of teams. The NBA at least has multiple Black coaches and GM’s. I know Jordan owns the Hornets. Again, it’s being distilled down to race because Black people are saying, “Hey, help us out. We want these positions too. We can do more than just the manual labor on the field.” The response should be let’s figure out a way to help these brothers out, not looking for any way to shift the conversation off race and delegitimize the argument in its entirety. Now where I definitely agree is this: these owners can do what they want. If they want their coaching staff to be all White that’s cool. They should be able to do that, and the players have to grow balls and take a stand and say they won’t play for organizations that don’t prioritize putting the demographic that makes the NFL run in positions of power.

That’s true rez but there are a lot of White, Asian, Hispanics, etc that want to be head coaches and GMs and Owners too. Plenty of Black guys became HCs like Dungy, Green, Smith Edwards etc. There is a pathway. Should Gail Benson be forced to sell the Saints to a Black owner? Why not an Asian owner? Jerry Jones, who greatly contributed to the Cowboy’s wealth and the overall league success can’t leave the team to his children? Want is not enough reason to be given something.

It’s distilling down to race because Black coaches are saying they want to be head coaches. Black executives are saying they want to be GM’s and Presidents. Black billionaires, the VERY short list of them that exist in this country, are saying they want ownership of teams. The NBA at least has multiple Black coaches and GM’s. I know Jordan owns the Hornets. Again, it’s being distilled down to race because Black people are saying, “Hey, help us out. We want these positions too. We can do more than just the manual labor on the field.” The response should be let’s figure out a way to help these brothers out, not looking for any way to shift the conversation off race and delegitimize the argument in its entirety. Now where I definitely agree is this: these owners can do what they want. If they want their coaching staff to be all White that’s cool. They should be able to do that, and the players have to grow balls and take a stand and say they won’t play for organizations that don’t prioritize putting the demographic that makes the NFL run in positions of power.

False equivalency Rez.

A Billionaire gaining ownership, I don't care what color they are, isn't "helping us out"...

I don't see how you can trivialize the multi-million dollar contracts and endorsements that follow as simply labor on the field.

The response in recent years has in fact done more to elevate people of color into the positions they're qualified for than ever before. The path is there. The makeup is changing. But I get the feeling it's not enough or not happening quickly enough. So what IS the desired outcome?

It's not delegitimizing the argument it's trying to remove the surface level argument of race permeating every facet of our views.