Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton

Sinner · 01-17-2023, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Honestly you have a point. Look no further than when the paper bags were all over the dome.

"Oh but this isn't anything like THOSE DAYS!"

Sam Darnold smoked us twice this season. The second and most painful time, to close the season, he smoked us at home, with 43 total passing yards, zero touchdowns and two interceptions. Maybe not time to break out the paper bags... We'll use plastic for this.

WW_Who_Dat · 01-17-2023, 04:55 PM

CSP himself said on “The Herd” that he had talked with Loomis and he thinks it will be mid to late 1st round and 3rd round with the first possibly next year. That’s not someone else’s speculation.

Mr.Riaton · 01-17-2023, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

CSP himself said on “The Herd” that he had talked with Loomis and he thinks it will be mid to late 1st round and 3rd round with the first possibly next year. That’s not someone else’s speculation.

I don’t get how they come up with that. What if he chooses a team like the cards or Texans who don’t have a mid to late first round pick? Then what?
How do they already know that unless they already know he wants the Denver job maybe

AsylumGuido · 01-17-2023, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Not econ Guido. The simple fact that the Saints could hold more leverage than you're willing to account for.

Give an example of that leverage, then. It doesn't even have to be real. Given the current parameters what could be a plausible leverage point? Believe me, I racked my brain for some sort of hold card for the Saints and I couldn't think of one.

Let's not forget that the same basic trade requirements were shared with all interested teams prior to any contact with Payton. You can be assured that every front office in the league knew of those same requirements within an hour.

The ONLY bit of leverage that I can think of would be if Payton didn't care what was going to be his final destination and what draft capital that team would have remaining after the trade. And I don't think there's a chance in hell of that being the case.

saintsfan1976 · 01-17-2023, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I don’t get how they come up with that. What if he chooses a team like the cards or Texans who don’t have a mid to late first round pick? Then what?
How do they already know that unless they already know he wants the Denver job maybe

Could swap picks or add on additional years.

AsylumGuido · 01-17-2023, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I don’t get how they come up with that. What if he chooses a team like the cards or Texans who don’t have a mid to late first round pick? Then what?
How do they already know that unless they already know he wants the Denver job maybe

The 1st can be a 2024 pick. It doesn't have to be a 2023.

That's why I think they may have asked for a draft chart trade number that included either a 2023 or 2024 1st rounder plus other picks to total a certain value. That way all interested parties would be operating on the same scale.

Mr.Riaton · 01-17-2023, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The 1st can be a 2024 pick. It doesn't have to be a 2023.

That's why I think they may have asked for a draft chart trade number that included either a 2023 or 2024 1st rounder plus other picks to total a certain value. That way all interested parties would be operating on the same scale.

How can that be if they don’t know what the 2024 pick will be? What if they suck and it yields a top 10 pick?

AsylumGuido · 01-17-2023, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

How can that be if they don’t know what the 2024 pick will be? What if they suck and it yields a top 10 pick?

Their loss. Getting Payton is supposed to keep that from happening, right?

Seriously, future picks always carry less of a value than current year picks. In trades they usually treat them as being mid round.

Mr.Riaton · 01-17-2023, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Their loss. Getting Payton is supposed to keep that from happening, right?

Seriously, future picks always carry less of a value than current year picks. In trades they usually treat them as being mid round.

Gotcha

Mr.Riaton · 01-17-2023, 06:12 PM

I think the main reason why Sean holds more leverage is the single fact that he’s not desperate to coach. He’ll go back to Fox or wherever for a couple more years until he’s free if the Saints play hardball. I think Sean was throwing Mickey and the Saints a bone by meeting with Mickey to discuss something they’re both happy with. If Sean was desperate, it’d be a different story. It’s pretty unfortunate because I’m thinking maybe we won’t get what he’s worth imo. I guess we’ll see

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,876	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by halloween 65 Honestly you have a point. Look no further than when the paper bags were all over the dome. "Oh but this isn't anything like THOSE DAYS!" Sam Darnold smoked us twice this season. The second and most painful time, to close the season, he smoked us at home, with 43 total passing yards, zero touchdowns and two interceptions. Maybe not time to break out the paper bags... We'll use plastic for this.
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01-17-2023, 04:55 PM	#132
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,270 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton CSP himself said on “The Herd” that he had talked with Loomis and he thinks it will be mid to late 1st round and 3rd round with the first possibly next year. That’s not someone else’s speculation.

01-17-2023, 05:02 PM	#133
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat CSP himself said on “The Herd” that he had talked with Loomis and he thinks it will be mid to late 1st round and 3rd round with the first possibly next year. That’s not someone else’s speculation. I don’t get how they come up with that. What if he chooses a team like the cards or Texans who don’t have a mid to late first round pick? Then what? How do they already know that unless they already know he wants the Denver job maybe

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Not econ Guido. The simple fact that the Saints could hold more leverage than you're willing to account for. Give an example of that leverage, then. It doesn't even have to be real. Given the current parameters what could be a plausible leverage point? Believe me, I racked my brain for some sort of hold card for the Saints and I couldn't think of one. Let's not forget that the same basic trade requirements were shared with all interested teams prior to any contact with Payton. You can be assured that every front office in the league knew of those same requirements within an hour. The ONLY bit of leverage that I can think of would be if Payton didn't care what was going to be his final destination and what draft capital that team would have remaining after the trade. And I don't think there's a chance in hell of that being the case.
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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I don’t get how they come up with that. What if he chooses a team like the cards or Texans who don’t have a mid to late first round pick? Then what? How do they already know that unless they already know he wants the Denver job maybe Could swap picks or add on additional years.

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01-17-2023, 05:05 PM	#136
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I don’t get how they come up with that. What if he chooses a team like the cards or Texans who don’t have a mid to late first round pick? Then what? How do they already know that unless they already know he wants the Denver job maybe The 1st can be a 2024 pick. It doesn't have to be a 2023. That's why I think they may have asked for a draft chart trade number that included either a 2023 or 2024 1st rounder plus other picks to total a certain value. That way all interested parties would be operating on the same scale.

01-17-2023, 05:14 PM	#137
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The 1st can be a 2024 pick. It doesn't have to be a 2023. That's why I think they may have asked for a draft chart trade number that included either a 2023 or 2024 1st rounder plus other picks to total a certain value. That way all interested parties would be operating on the same scale. How can that be if they don’t know what the 2024 pick will be? What if they suck and it yields a top 10 pick?

01-17-2023, 05:17 PM	#138
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton How can that be if they don’t know what the 2024 pick will be? What if they suck and it yields a top 10 pick? Their loss. Getting Payton is supposed to keep that from happening, right? Seriously, future picks always carry less of a value than current year picks. In trades they usually treat them as being mid round. Mr.Riaton likes this.

01-17-2023, 05:21 PM	#139
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Their loss. Getting Payton is supposed to keep that from happening, right? Seriously, future picks always carry less of a value than current year picks. In trades they usually treat them as being mid round. Gotcha

01-17-2023, 06:12 PM	#140
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton I think the main reason why Sean holds more leverage is the single fact that he’s not desperate to coach. He’ll go back to Fox or wherever for a couple more years until he’s free if the Saints play hardball. I think Sean was throwing Mickey and the Saints a bone by meeting with Mickey to discuss something they’re both happy with. If Sean was desperate, it’d be a different story. It’s pretty unfortunate because I’m thinking maybe we won’t get what he’s worth imo. I guess we’ll see