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Im really hoping with everything in me, that we do NOT draft marquise lee or someone selects him before our selection. Not saying the talent isnt there, but i dont see much further improvement in the future for him. Id much rather have latimer, robinson there, heck even martavis ha.

As for norwood hagan...this is the one rare player i believe we disagree on. Not because of talent or ability...but age. Gonna be a 25 year old rookie, not alot of time to improve before 30 rolls around. I'll take the young(er) legs with more explosiveness. But i agree with your assessment, as usual.

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Supposedly Mel kiper just predicted dri archer to the saints...in the 2ND ROUND!!!! I would have to calm myself from the disapproval/disappointment. Would be more schocking then the johnny manziel mock haha. Although being from Texas im quite fond of johnny. He played bout an hour from me at kerrville tivy. The ol' antlers...

Just please... No lee

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You're being too harsh on Lee. Dude was injured for half the season and when he came back he clearly wasn't at full strength. Mental lapse? Sorry hagan, I almost always agree with you on draft related stuff, and I have grown to respect your opinion, but you do not know what's going on inside Lee's head. It's unfair to say he has mental lapses. He was the best WR in college football in 2012 when he wasn't injured. Where were his mental lapses then?

I agree with you the less flashy WR who is consistent is better than the big play ability WR who may or may not show up for the game, that's why I 100% believe Jarvis Landry > Odell Beckham Jr.

Marqise Lee does not fit into that category though. He's actually a good route runner. He has the technical skills to go along with the crazy athleticism.

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Top 10 realistic prospect options id love for our selection at 27:
(In no particular order)


1. Darqueze Dennard (real chance he "could" fall based on several analysts)
2. CJ Mosley (chance of a fall as well with shoulder concerns, but doubtful)
3. Jeremiah Attaochu
4. Ryan Shazier
5. Kyle Fuller
6. Oddell Beckham Jr.
7. Jason Verrett
8. Kyle Van Noy
9. Cody Latimer
10. Allen Robinson

Just my opinion and favorites of mine that have a chance of being there at 27. Id much rather stay put where we are in the 1st & draft defense then trade back into the 2nd & draft WR/C with our 2 selections.

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thanks i respect your opinion also, i was expecting rebuttal on this one. I agree the talent and the skills are there. but even in 2012 in his record setting years he was good for two to three "how did he not catch that one" in a game. thats all i am saying. he was thrown to a ton. USC could not run one bit so he got a ton of throws. that itself is a disclaimer. law of averages? easier to catch 5 straight than 15 straight of good throws.

he would be a pick that gets a long sigh out me and lets see what happens. Vaccaro got the same reaction and i am still warming up to the pick. solid all around player but INTs is what i wanted lol. as a matter of fact i would still pick Buccannon to play SS and let Vaccaro keep doing what he was doing last year. get up on the line and man handle players and get inside their heads. he was much better at it than i thought he would be. one of the best i have seen in years. hell play 4 safeties every now again ;)

oh back on topic

the gamble is understandable. like i said the skills are there and not being bombarded every game may be just what he needs. but i would have to see more than few players come of the board to take him. but if the saints did pick him i could let time pass and give the kid a chance and yet another crow sandwich into the freezer with his name on it. i ate two last year :disgust: so i have room.

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dam 25 and one foot in the grave,:p that why if he is around in the 4th that would be the reason. but no way will he be there when we pick in 4th i bet. of all the i guess third tier wr in the draft at this point he is pretty much the only one that you know exactly what you getting.

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Fair enough on Lee.

And haha, I did not like the Vaccaro pick at first either. Probably because I remember the Texas Longhorns defense being AWFUL in 2012, and because of that I thought there was no way this guy is a good safety lol
I know that is not the best logic, but that's what my train of thought was. I definitely was wrong though, Vaccaro is a great player and we are lucky to have him.

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Kiper: Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn

Miller: C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama

Banks: Mosley

Brinson: Ford

Davis: Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State

2 out 5 aint bad

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I think Mosley fits better than Ford. Mosley could play inside or outside. Ford is really just a situational rusher. But meh, what do I know?

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Lol one foot in the grave. Yea i would understand the pick...but the age is what deter's me. But in the 4th id be ok.

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You're talkin about mosley correct? Would be great.

At this point im just fed up with all the mocks of lee and ford to us, i hope its anyone but them lol. Dee ford is solid, but i just cant get over the fact that we already have a guy like him in junior & if we went that route why not get attaochu over him? Attaochu is just learning the game & already seems just as polished with a higher ceiling. Not to mention two years younger...i like attaochu over any other pass rusher in the draft.

Wouldnt mind shazier or van noy either... Reasoning for that is bc we got killed on intermediate routes last year & was our main issue from our pass defense. It doesnt take a genius to figure out that having a bobby wagner/bruce irvin goes a looong way in helping the secondary fix that. And i see shazier/van noy helping tremendously in that area. Lofton/gallete/hawthorne/harelson/butler are easily not the answer to help fixing that ha. One trick guys.

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tackling machine for sure good knows ST could use him. to bad he could not do some return work.

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Looking at G in some capacity.

Middle Tennessee State OG Josh Walker has worked out for the Indianapolis Colts, New Orleans Saints, Baltimore Ravens and Detroit Lions. The Miami Dolphins have also shown heightened interest in Walker.

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WR ALBERT WILSON GEORGIA ST. WR/KR
5093 202 4.43

Maybe a top UDFA? needs work on his cut in and out of routes but the kid is solid. Reports of a sub 4.4 circle around the kid also. developmental slot WR?

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Some people have said the top 2 CBs will be gone before we pick. We know SP or Loomis is going to go BPA......that just may end up being Cooks. But its possible he could go before we pick. I don't want Roby, he is a buckeye product and we saw what happened with Jenkins...he half produced. Some mock draft expert at NFL has us picking that Utah CB in rd 2. Um, I hope not. Also, steelers want Fuller so he's off the list.

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cook is a good pick in our offense. Darrin proved the worth of a might mouse on offense. many a sleepless night for SP. how many ways can i get this kid the ball.

There is only one DB in this draft well in the last couple of draft that can cover the Cook, Odell, Rice, Welker and Austin type of first round graded talent and that is Jason Verrett.

His reaction time is off the chart. athleticism is off the chart. so i do not do not get the under value of a defender that can cover players under 6'1" all over the field and actually rack up pass defenses and can rack up INT's along the way.

I think the NFL draft rating system for DB is a few years behind the times compared of those for the these smaller quick twitch speed demons on offense that all get first round grades. why not defenders that can actually cover them?

This is why i have no problem with the other mighty mouse in the draft Jason Verret to our pick at 27 over say Kyle Fuller or Bradely Robey. neither has the reaction skills of Verrett.

Verret having man duty all game long on these specialty players would be huge for the saints. we are not a zone defense 75% of the time. man on man baby.

at times height is so over rated ask sam mills. put in the right schemes and use the right way all you need to talk about is the skill sets. this is what god made verret to do in the NFL neutralize those players that mess with defensive coordinators head all week.

Verrett is a DC 500mg Advil

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What am I missing? Will Smith the most durable and consistent Saints player ever?

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from 2004 to 2012

2012 New Orleans Saints 16 16
2011 New Orleans Saints 14 14
2010 New Orleans Saints 15 15
2009 New Orleans Saints 16 16
2008 New Orleans Saints 16 16
2007 New Orleans Saints 16 16
2006 New Orleans Saints 14 14
2005 New Orleans Saints 16 9
2004 New Orleans Saints 16 4


have to say Durability is there and well his stats are solid.
2004 all rookie
2006 pro bowl

you gotta also remember he went through some DC in his time and he was always the player they asked to put on weight and a year or two later drop it. that is probably due to his talent level i would assume

i can live with durability and productive tagged to him

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No contract yet agreed for Jimmy and assuming nothing is signed predraft and Eric Ebron is there at around pick 20 or Troy Niklas is there in the second,do you male the move to grab one incase either Jimmy only agrees to the One year tag or another team makes a move post draft.

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Not a bad idea. Puts pressure on Grahams agent to get a deal and if Ebron turns out to be an NFL stud, the Saints could get out from under Grahams eventual cap hit.

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NFLN just mentioned Zack Martin would be a great Center. Hmmmmmmm

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yeah they had him at center for the combine for a bit. makes you wonder. shoot gun snapping is a whole different world though. but it makes you see the guys worth

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Instagram

Sooooo.... what does this mean??

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interesting. tell ya what or return game would get an instant boost.

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You think so Hagan? If our special teams coach doesn't get his act together, it won't matter who we have back there. This is an area where I personally think we need the most improvement.

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Amen brother. Our special teams blocking is so sh***y that Hester in his prime would get tackled at the 22 yard line on every return. Greg McMahon has got to go! We haven't had a kick return or punt return for a TD since the 2009 season... That's insane!

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Was that Lee? God no! Luckily he's expected to go before we pick.

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Yeah he would be good too. That same expert picked Atlanta to get him in second round.

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Did you watch him ever? amazing

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He could be our new version of Darren Sproles as well.

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sorry i have to lmao at how many of these so called experts never talk about the OL. you think with all the time Drew was on the turf it would at least get mentioned. Or the fact that we only have one RB that can pick up a blitz.

Need to answer the following questions
do we have a RT to replace Strief? his contract is very friendly and almost guarantees he retires a saints but age is an issue, can we have him be the #1 back up at both tackle spots later down the line.

We all know about OC and that will be answered in 7 days.

If PT goes down who is going to take over his roll? i do not see a pass blocker on the roster after PT. that is an issue

nice thing needs truly are taking a back seat to BPA this year.

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here is question

we get on the clock in round 1 and 3 of the top 4 QB are still on the board. who would you take or would you pass on them because they are not BPA material?

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Really depends on if you feel Drews best days are gone.
What offers better value Bridgewater/Manziel sitting this year,possibly next year and trading Brees and taking a dead money hit(would open alot of cap space) or do you restructure Drews contract and get another 3/4 years out of him and hope a franchise QB will be in the draft come 2017/18

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Well, personally I'm a huge, huge, huge fan of Teddy Bridgewater and I would not be opposed to giving him the Aaron Rodgers treatment. (meaning Teddy sits behind Brees for 3 or 4 years, then he takes over)

The only reason I'm saying this is because I don't think we have a huge pressing need on our team. None of our starters are so bad that they need to be replaced pronto, so we can afford taking a QB if we really want to in my opinion.
I'm not saying we should take a QB, but if there was ever a year where we don't really "need" our first rounder and could spend it on another position like QB, it is this year.