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Sarik 04-02-2014 11:55 PM

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And dont forget... Although Allen ran a 4.6, everything else was on point.

Consistently beats press
39" Vertical Jump
10'7" Broad Jump
4.0 sec 20 yrd Shuttle

This combination was better than most other big names at WR. All 3 drills were better numbers than Sammy Watkins posted, not that he's better, just shows he's for real.

Well his pro day is April 8th, hopefully he can improve upon those numbers... That'll be a big day for me that i'll monitor and give the details on here later.

jeanpierre 04-03-2014 02:39 PM

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Have to laugh though when scouts question Moncrief's straight line speed yet he ran one of the fastest forty-yd dash times at the combine and you never saw him caught from behind...

Sarik 04-03-2014 03:23 PM

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Dropping over 100 on 6'3, Stanley Jean-Baptiste while still developing is no joke. I like that he can beat press consistently, that goes along way with corners like seattle's which we clearly could not get any seperation in the playoffs/season.

Sarik 04-03-2014 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 586727)
Have to laugh though when scouts question Moncrief's straight line speed yet he ran one of the fastest forty-yd dash times at the combine and you never saw him caught from behind...

True! I'll take any of these big wr's... So many options.

RaginCajun83 04-04-2014 10:18 AM

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I'd be happy with Tyler Larsen C Utah St in 4 or 5 round

lsutigerfan 04-04-2014 11:53 AM

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Most mocks have us taking Dee Ford. I really hope not Dee Ford in one deminsional. I still think Kyle Van Noy is a much better all around player.

Sarik 04-04-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lsutigerfan (Post 586890)
Most mocks have us taking Dee Ford. I really hope not Dee Ford in one deminsional. I still think Kyle Van Noy is a much better all around player.

Id have to agree with you. If we're gonna go for strictly "edge rusher" like everyone continually mocks to us in round 1, then id much rather it be Jeremiah Attaochu over Ford anyday. But i do like van noy... All depends on how the board is laid out prior to our pick. Hopefully we get a faller or 2.

QBREES9 04-04-2014 12:17 PM

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Bset Play on the board.

brees84 04-04-2014 12:48 PM

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We will host Marqise Lee.

lsutigerfan 04-04-2014 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 586922)
We will host Marqise Lee.

Wow, I don't think he'll be there, but interesting.

papz 04-04-2014 06:03 PM

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He's falling on some draft boards due to Odell Beckham rising so high. He could very well be in there in the 20s. Watkins, Evans, and Beckham look like the first 3 receivers off the board now. Watkins and Evans look like sure fire top 10 picks and Beckham is looking like the mid to late teens.

hagan714 04-05-2014 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 586871)
I'd be happy with Tyler Larsen C Utah St in 4 or 5 round

i like the guy. he loves pancakes but he will not be a starter from day 1 by all odds. good pick none the less

hagan714 04-05-2014 02:55 AM

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Wesley Johnson, OT Vanderbilt

i just have a hard time forgetting this kid later in the draft. versatile good athletic ability and plays with attitude

lee909 04-05-2014 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 587082)
Wesley Johnson, OT Vanderbilt

i just have a hard time forgetting this kid later in the draft. versatile good athletic ability and plays with attitude

Just reading about him.
Some seem to think his future lies as a guard due to being undersized

jeanpierre 04-05-2014 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 587084)
Just reading about him.
Some seem to think his future lies as a guard due to being undersized

I'm watching, reading, scouting and I see him as an athletic center or active right tackle...

hagan714 04-05-2014 02:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 587084)
Just reading about him.
Some seem to think his future lies as a guard due to being undersized

i look at him as versatile back up swomgman that will be around for years in the nfl, develop into a starter would be lagniappe.

jeanpierre 04-07-2014 09:13 AM

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Plenty of defensive line, linebacker talent outside first round - CBSSports.com

Guess who's No. 1 on the list...

K Major 04-07-2014 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 587320)

I still like Jackson Jeffcoat from that list. The potential is there and he is a big nasty.

Sarik 04-07-2014 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 587320)

Oh joy :) i just hope we land him somehow. In the 2nd would make it that much sweeter. Heck, he's already accustomed to wearing the gold ;)

hagan714 04-07-2014 10:09 PM

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NFL Prospect Focus: Donte Moncrief and Cody Latimer

Donte Moncrief – Wide Receiver – Mississippi
Size – 6023 – 219 – 4.40
Strong Points – Excellent size, good athlete, consistent blocker, run after catch, hands
Weak Points – Limited route tree, often body catches, doesn’t have a big receiving radius,
2013 Stats – 59 receptions, 938 yards, six touchdowns, 156 career receptions, 2527 yards, 20 touchdowns
Summation –

Cody Latimer – Wide Receiver – Indiana
Size – 6025 – 215 – 4.46
Strong Points – Size, speed, top production, hands, ability to adjust to the ball
Weak Points – Coming off a broken bone in his foot, limited route tree, average blocker, has some tightness in his hips, not used inside that much
2013 Stats – 72 receptions, 1096 yards, 9 touchdowns, 135 career receptions, 2012 yards, 17 touchdowns
Summation –

NFL Prospect Focus: Donte Moncrief and Cody Latimer | National Football Post

well worth the read , the Summation –

jeanpierre 04-08-2014 08:33 AM

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Biggest obstacles that I foresee to taking Moncrief in round 2 will be Steelers, Ravens, Eagles and Colts...

saintsfan1976 04-08-2014 09:00 AM

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It's clear to me we're grabbing a LB, CB, WR, OL and trading up for someone that makes us say "hmmmmmm....."

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/159948224238435709/

TheOak 04-08-2014 10:09 AM

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Brandon Thomas
Clemson offensive line prospect Brandon Thomas tears ACL in workout with New Orleans Saints, report says | NOLA.com

K Major 04-08-2014 11:19 AM

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Dang, I feel bad for the kid. Hopefully he can make a full speedy recovery.

jeanpierre 04-08-2014 12:10 PM

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What kind of liability is involved in that situation?!?

Wonder if his agent purchased insurance to protect his prospective investment...

Sarik 04-08-2014 01:03 PM

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Well looks like my guy Allen Robinson is doing everything rite & silencing critics like i thought he would at his proday today. Yes that is a 4.4 40 he ran and 42 vertical!!!

@Gil_Brandt: WR Allen Robinson having big day at #PennState pro day. 42 VJ, 11 BJ, sub-4.5 40. Stock will be up after today. #NFLDraft


Jack Vegas 04-08-2014 01:13 PM

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That kind of size and length with speed in the 4.4's, wow! And he has some polish as a WR. Sounds a LOT like Colston a few years ago, minus the small-school mystery. Our offense could turn him into a superstar.

Sarik 04-08-2014 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 587663)
That kind of size and length with speed in the 4.4's, wow! And he has some polish as a WR. Sounds a LOT like Colston a few years ago, minus the small-school mystery. Our offense could turn him into a superstar.

Exactly... Ive been beating the table for this guy, now im worried our chances of landing him in 1 or 2 are getting alot thinner as his stock will definitely be on the rise. Tomlin and chip kelly were in attendance but no word on who else at this time. Hopefully the saints had someone there

TheOak 04-08-2014 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 587639)
What kind of liability is involved in that situation?!?

Wonder if his agent purchased insurance to protect his prospective investment...


None. He went of his own free will and presumably has health insurance.

Similar to all the hamstring pulls at the NFL Combine. There is understood and inherent risk in tryouts. Unless the big screen fell on him, or he tripped over Ryan's hair.

hagan714 04-09-2014 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarik (Post 587670)
Exactly... Ive been beating the table for this guy, now im worried our chances of landing him in 1 or 2 are getting alot thinner as his stock will definitely be on the rise. Tomlin and chip kelly were in attendance but no word on who else at this time. Hopefully the saints had someone there

doubt #1 answered. Pro day weight 208 down 12 pounds from his combine weight

solid No. 2 option? upside is there and i give the kid credit for hanging in at Penn ST. after all the crap went down.

he now is in the mix with Lee and Benjamin now.

i would take him over Benjamin all day long.

IMO Robinson is more polished as a WR at this point. Lee has that JR year of stardom followed by a senior year of poor QB play. he should have come out last year.

I like the maturity and the mental toughness he showed at Penn St. on and off the field.

i could live with the pick.

Then again his pro day may get him drafted ahead of us and increase the chance of a nice player dropping into our laps. so i look at the pro day as a win win for the saints. :bng:

record number of WR taken in the first round this year? maybe

brees84 04-09-2014 12:52 PM

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Payton is at LSU pro day. Beckham, Landry...

NewDeal 04-09-2014 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 587864)
Payton is at LSU pro day. Beckham, Landry...

Landry dropped 9 lbs and ran a 4.58 in the 40.

Sarik 04-09-2014 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 587804)
doubt #1 answered. Pro day weight 208 down 12 pounds from his combine weight

solid No. 2 option? upside is there and i give the kid credit for hanging in at Penn ST. after all the crap went down.

he now is in the mix with Lee and Benjamin now.

i would take him over Benjamin all day long.

IMO Robinson is more polished as a WR at this point. Lee has that JR year of stardom followed by a senior year of poor QB play. he should have come out last year.

I like the maturity and the mental toughness he showed at Penn St. on and off the field.

i could live with the pick.

Then again his pro day may get him drafted ahead of us and increase the chance of a nice player dropping into our laps. so i look at the pro day as a win win for the saints. :bng:

record number of WR taken in the first round this year? maybe

Aah theres my guy hagan, yesir... Seemed to answer all questions at his pro day.

I think he has number 1 written all over him..eventually. But to have him step in and be no. 2 and let kenny play the slot makes all the sense in the world at this point.

I agree with everything you said 100%, although i do like kelvin if he gets more consistent hands i would take allen over both lee and benjamin. I've watched lee a few times and put on the tape again once it was reported he was visiting, but i cant seem to get excited about him. Its not like allen's QB was any better and he faced the same situation as lee with mcgloin/barkley leaving school for the pros but Allen's production went way up even battling his own injuries and i felt the talent was better at USC.

Was reading an article about Allen Robinson being this years's Keenan Allen, flying under the radar. Pretty good read and tend to agree.

Yesir, win win for the saints at this point, guess its all on how you view it. Could definitely see that happening with WR's, all depends on how the board is layed out. Good stuff

jeanpierre 04-10-2014 12:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarik (Post 587660)
Well looks like my guy Allen Robinson is doing everything rite & silencing critics like i thought he would at his proday today. Yes that is a 4.4 40 he ran and 42 vertical!!!

@Gil_Brandt: WR Allen Robinson having big day at #PennState pro day. 42 VJ, 11 BJ, sub-4.5 40. Stock will be up after today. #NFLDraft

https://twitter.com/nfl_cfb/status/453581694214230016


You lost me when you posted Gil Brandt...

Gil Brandt still insists Tony Mandarich was not a good fit in the Packers offense...

Sarik 04-10-2014 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 588015)

You lost me when you posted Gil Brandt...

Gil Brandt still insist Tony Mandarich was not a good fit in the Packers offense...

Haha its not like he's praising the guy... He's just posting his numbers, which speaks for itself. Great numbers ...

hagan714 04-10-2014 11:16 AM

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Round 5 Russell Bodine i want

now if you guys are not into an immediate starter aka WESTON RICHBURG early on and want to wait i have narrowed down my list to one OC later in the draft.

Round 6 Tyler Larsen C Utah State 6-4 313

unknown yet has an solid outside chance of pushing for playing time in year one.

If your going to gamble gamble big time and go for the player that could give you the biggest rewards

so no WESTON RICHBURG

then i would settle with
Round 5 Russell Bodine OC/OG NC 6-3 310
Round 6 Tyler Larsen OC/OG Utah State 6-4 313

option 2 UDFA?
James Stone, OC/OG 6-3, 311

hagan714 04-10-2014 11:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 588015)

You lost me when you posted Gil Brandt...

Gil Brandt still insist Tony Mandarich was not a good fit in the Packers offense...

Gil was coping another scouts tweet i am sure

brees84 04-10-2014 01:52 PM

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"Wyoming speedy WR Robert Herron visited the #Saints yesterday and is there today for a pre-draft visit, source says"

40-yard dash 4,25

Seer1 04-10-2014 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 588117)
"Wyoming speedy WR Robert Herron visited the #Saints yesterday and is there today for a pre-draft visit, source says"

40-yard dash 4,25

He keeps popping up for us on that mock draft site too.

lee909 04-10-2014 03:07 PM

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Herrons weaknesses in this view do not make him sound a good prospect,sounds scared to get hit

OVERVIEW
Two-time honorable mention All-MWC (2012-13) selection. 2013: Started all 12 games. Led team with nine receiving touchdowns and was second on the team with 72 receptions and 937 yards. 2012: Played in and started eight games. Missed four games due to a shin injury. 2011: Played in 12 of 13 games with eight starts. 2010: Played in 10 of 12 games with one start.

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Good athlete. Exceptional straight-line timed speed -- can accelerate and get on top of DBs vertically. Quick-footed. Above-average hands. Has return capability (despite not being used as a returner because of offensive value).

WEAKNESSES
Does not play fast. Marginal toughness -- does not like crossing the middle or extending across his frame. Drifts in his routes. Short-arms the ball. Does not adjust to or track the deep ball well. Lacks physical strength and is jarred on contact after the catch. Carries the ball loosely. Disinterested blocker, especially on the backside. Regularly matched up vs. inferior competition. Has been dinged a lot and long-term durability is a concern.

BOTTOM LINE
Very diminutive, outside receiver with the timed speed to threaten the field vertically and potentially contribute in the return game. Needs to prove he can bow up against better competition and is more than a track athlete.


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