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SaintLeonard 02-21-2014 02:29 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 578682)
They really should make them run the 40 in a uniform (helmet, pads)...

Some guys aren't as fast with the pads on...

If you want to see a fast LB - look for Howard Jones out of Shepherd Univ (WV); I'm curious to see if he validates NFL Draft Scouts Posted 40 Time...

Shazier is extremely fast, with or without pads. I'm a Michigan Wolverines fan so naturally I watched a lot of Ohio St as well haha. Shazier is a good player.

hagan714 02-21-2014 10:01 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Pre Combine Mock

Round 1

Jason Verrett CB TCU 5095 176

Just what the Saints defense needs. A nickle back out of the gate that can stay with those slots WR and bail out the ILB. Lets see catch phrases Very feisty Outstanding instincts, Superb reactive quickness and recovery speed, Very good ball skills, Very willing in run support




my guts say SP goes
Odell Beckham, Jr.*, WR, LSU

Round 2

Jack Mewhort ROT/OG/LS Ohio St. 6060 306

Pass Blocking? He definitely excels and looks natural. Run Blocking? Needs work. But he has starter-caliber strength, athleticism and technique supplemented with desirable intangibles. Versatility is a huge plus

Jack Mewhort | Draft Breakdown



Round 3

James White RB Wisconsin 5090 206 4.42

Saints start to groom PT replacement



Round 4

Josh Mauro, DE/DT Stanford 6054 276 4.98

his size, strength and toughness could make him a dependable five-technique defensive end in a 34



Round 5

Howard Jones OLB/ILB Shepard 6022 229 4.54

FootballCEO found yet another gem i have to include. He looks to have outstanding instincts, Superb reactive quickness, good ball skills and appears to have excellent football IQ. plus he lines up all over the place. I am thinking starting off depth to groom but a 3rd and long specialist at ILB is were he might break into the line up. special teams day one.

http://blackandgold.com/saints/64363...tml#post578384

6th

gotta a list of them. lol the one i want to see more of is

Brandon Dixon NW Missouri St CB/FS 5112 204 4.35?

Solid unsung Div ll CB with what maybe the fastest CB in the draft. that will soon be answered. Has a good skill and plays a very physical style. Needs to be coached up. Interviews will be key for kid

K Major 02-21-2014 10:17 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Verret has the mechanics to be another Brent Grimes type corner.

hagan714 02-22-2014 04:58 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 578928)
Verret has the mechanics to be another Brent Grimes type corner.


among the CB in the draft (that might be on the board) he had all the right catch phrases
Very feisty
Outstanding instincts,
Superb reactive quickness and recovery speed,
Very good ball skills,
Very willing in run support

What i missed was his tackling skills are solid. none of the other CB can sting together a list like that. plus measuring in at under 5'11" makes him prime to drop no matter his 40 time and drills.

as for other positions i think we need to have a player fall into our laps or we believe in some of the hyped players.

either way i think i played it safe and accepted the fact that any player i really like will probably not end up with the saints for whatever reason so i did not draft them:(.

my draft involves trading the first and Ingram. possibly adding in Grahmbut thats a hornets nest i will poke at later ;)

Jack Vegas 02-22-2014 06:20 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
I have a major man crush on Verrett. Everything about him screams shut-down corner. With Lewis, Verrett, White and a healthy Robinson nobody would be able to throw on us.

papz 02-22-2014 10:49 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Trai Turner, 6'3, 310lb, 4.84 40, OG

I'm very big on he and Dozier. I hope we draft one of them.

jeanpierre 02-22-2014 04:01 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 579016)
Trai Turner, 6'3, 310lb, 4.84 40, OG

I'm very big on he and Dozier. I hope we draft one of them.

Not so much on Turner because of questions of his work ethic/weight mgt, but I'm definitely with you on Dozier - and I mean, what's not to like about a Guard name Dozier?!?

Saints GM Mickey Loomis talks about NFL Scouting Combine

SaintLeonard 02-22-2014 09:15 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
I see a lot of people and websites mocking us Dee Ford from Auburn. Would we like that pick? He good?

Also - I agree with the above posters saying Jason Verrett is a beast. I would love that pick.

hagan714 02-22-2014 09:31 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
i am not going to be dumb enough to say Dee can not play but he reminds me of Jr. i do not think the saints defense needs anther player like that.

ChrisXVI 02-22-2014 09:38 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Dee Ford is fantastic... But we already have a Jack LB as Hagan said about Junior. If we're gonna go LB in the 1st round it has to be one that can play the Sam spot and excel in coverage while offering a little pass rush too when we want to get aggressive. That man would be Kyle Van Noy. I can't wait to see him at the combine on Monday.

amazin15 02-22-2014 09:39 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard (Post 579069)
I see a lot of people and websites mocking us Dee Ford from Auburn. Would we like that pick? He good?

Also - I agree with the above posters saying Jason Verrett is a beast. I would love that pick.

I'm not sold on him. He seems to be one dimensional and we need a DE/OLB that can stop the run as well as rush the passer.

jeanpierre 02-22-2014 11:27 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amazin15 (Post 579075)
I'm not sold on him. He seems to be one dimensional and we need a DE/OLB that can stop the run as well as rush the passer.

Big Red Flags geaux up when I keep seeing this phrase under his banner "one trick pony"

hagan714 02-23-2014 04:24 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
well Moses screwed the pooch yesterday at the combine.
ten yard split of 1.95. pro day will be huge for him. dropping like a stone i guess on boards. I thought he would have had a better showing. put the pads on and he proves he can play ball. back to earth for all the hype. RT 2/3 round.

Maylock called it. the one that may have solidified himself to a top 50 player is

Joel Bitonio OT/OG Nevada 6'4" 302
Arms 33 7/8
broad jump at 9 feet, 6 inches.
three-cone drill in 7.37 seconds
20-yard shuttle drill in 4.44 seconds.
40-yard dash 4.97 seconds.
10 yard splits of 1.68 and 1.74 seconds
bench press 22 reps

Could he be the one to sneaks into the first? always have a couple.

He fits in at RT/LT for zone blocking schemes and teams with a short QB?


jeanpierre 02-23-2014 04:50 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Local Boy, Thibodaux High Alum Greg Robinson May Be Top Five Draft Pick - The Advocate

jeanpierre 02-23-2014 05:00 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Tom Brady asks Johnny Manziel for advice - Manziel explains he's already been sacked by fellow SEC alum Michael Sam

hagan714 02-23-2014 05:15 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
2014 NFL Draft Prospect Meetings

Ricardo Allen, CB, Purdue (EW)
Carrington Byndom, CB, Texas (EW)
Bennett Jackson, CB, Notre Dame (EW)

New Orleans Saints:
Walt Aikens, DB, Liberty (SR)
Chris Davis, DB, Auburn (SR)
Ahmad Dixon, DB, Baylor (SR)
Keith McGill, DB, Utah (SR)
Dez Southward, DB, Wisconsin (SR)
Jimmie Ward, DB, Northern Illinois (SR)

Alden Darby, S, Arizona State (EW)
Brock Vereen, S, Minnesota (EW)

Jeremiah Attaochu, LB, Georgia Tech (SR%)
Devon Kennard, LB, USC (EW)

DaQuan Jones, DL, Penn State (SR)

Dakota Dozier, G, Furman (EW)
John Urschel, G, Penn State (EW)

Dillon Farrell, C, New Mexico (EW)
James Stone, C, Tennessee (EW)

Gabe Jackson, OL, Mississippi State (SR)
Tyler Larsen, OL, Utah State (SR)
Bryan Stork, OL, Florida State (SR)
Cyril Richardson, OL, Baylor (SR)
Billy Turner, OL, North Dakota State (SR)

C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa (SR)
Jacob Pedersen, TE, Wisconsin (SR)

Shaquelle Evans, WR, UCLA (SR)
Ryan Grant, WR, Tulane (SR)
Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (SR)

David Fales, QB, San Jose State (SR)
Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU (COM)
Stephen Morris, QB, Miami (SR)

Lorenzo Taliaferro, RB, Coastal Carolina (SR)
James White, RB, Wisconsin (SR)

Anthony Fera, K , Texas (EW)

WalterFootball.com: 2014 NFL Draft Prospect Meetings

TheOak 02-23-2014 05:20 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
I've a question, sort of outside the box. Instead of drafting BPA, or Need, what gain could be made from drafting according to draft depth?

I know it's a fruitless exercise because you can't ignore the salary cap but "what if" you decided to to a reload of a certain position?

Imagine dumping and completely reloading at WR, or dumping and reloading at RB.

What about drafting 3 WR/3 RB. What would or could our offense look like next year?

jeanpierre 02-23-2014 05:27 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 579106)
I've a question, sort of outside the box. Instead of drafting BPA, or Need, what gain could be made from drafting according to draft depth?

I know it's a fruitless exercise because you can't ignore the salary cap but "what if" you decided to to a reload of a certain position?

Imagine dumping and completely reloading at WR, or dumping and reloading at RB.

What about drafting 3 WR/3 RB. What would or could our offense look like next year?

Not as outside the box as you may think...

There are several advantages to doing this...

It motivates your existing roster player and he'll either shine or fold (i.e. Ingram)...

Allows you to compare what you got side by side, in your "system"...

You can then geaux out and make a trade (i.e. Ivory) to address a need (i.e. Move to 34 Defense needing Behemoth NT > John Jenkins)...

But it's definitely a valid point...

jeanpierre 02-23-2014 05:30 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 579105)
2014 NFL Draft Prospect Meetings

Ricardo Allen, CB, Purdue (EW)
Carrington Byndom, CB, Texas (EW)
Bennett Jackson, CB, Notre Dame (EW)

New Orleans Saints:
Walt Aikens, DB, Liberty (SR)
Chris Davis, DB, Auburn (SR)
Ahmad Dixon, DB, Baylor (SR)
Keith McGill, DB, Utah (SR)
Dez Southward, DB, Wisconsin (SR)
Jimmie Ward, DB, Northern Illinois (SR)

Alden Darby, S, Arizona State (EW)
Brock Vereen, S, Minnesota (EW)

Jeremiah Attaochu, LB, Georgia Tech (SR%)
Devon Kennard, LB, USC (EW)

DaQuan Jones, DL, Penn State (SR)

Dakota Dozier, G, Furman (EW)
John Urschel, G, Penn State (EW)

Dillon Farrell, C, New Mexico (EW)
James Stone, C, Tennessee (EW)

Gabe Jackson, OL, Mississippi State (SR)
Tyler Larsen, OL, Utah State (SR)
Bryan Stork, OL, Florida State (SR)
Cyril Richardson, OL, Baylor (SR)
Billy Turner, OL, North Dakota State (SR)

C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE, Iowa (SR)
Jacob Pedersen, TE, Wisconsin (SR)

Shaquelle Evans, WR, UCLA (SR)
Ryan Grant, WR, Tulane (SR)
Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (SR)

David Fales, QB, San Jose State (SR)
Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU (COM)
Stephen Morris, QB, Miami (SR)

Lorenzo Taliaferro, RB, Coastal Carolina (SR)
James White, RB, Wisconsin (SR)

Anthony Fera, K , Texas (EW)

WalterFootball.com: 2014 NFL Draft Prospect Meetings

See two guys on this list that we could easily take in the third and fourth rounds, if they are there...

Was watching film on one of the tight ends on this list, reviewed his combine measurements, I can even see taking him in the second round if we let Graham chase the big mo...

TheOak 02-23-2014 05:35 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 579108)
Not as outside the box as you may think...



There are several advantages to doing this...



It motivates your existing roster player and he'll either shine or fold (i.e. Ingram)...



Allows you to compare what you got side by side, in your "system"...



You can then geaux out and make a trade (i.e. Ivory) to address a need (i.e. Move to 34 Defense needing Behemoth NT > John Jenkins)...



But it's definitely a valid point...


I would be drafting with the full intent of replacing this season. You would take some huge dead money hits on the cap but, id say you can sign 6 draft pics on 3.5m this year, dump at least 10m in aging veterans any gain a lot of youth.

I chose RB and WR specifically because I don't see 1 veteran player at either position that isn't questionable. As I see it, Stills and K Robinson would be the only two returning players in those positions.

We could pour any cap savings into the line or defense in FA.

hagan714 02-23-2014 05:36 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
agreed. it has been done but the draft gods needs to be with you for the following season.

with the saints i can see multi picks at RB more than i can see it at WR. INO last years game in New England proved one thing. Drew must feel comfortable to the WR. They took Grahm and Colston out of the game and dared Drew to use the young guns. he was so hesitant in that game with throwing to 3rd and 4th reads. smart defense by Bill. so adding to the WR is yes but in no way do you take away more than one of his pets at WR.

Look at what carolina did at DT last year. dumped some contracts and the first two picks were solid DT moves. yep dead cap space is there but they come off the books quickly.

It works but the cap hit hurts for a bit. but be careful were you slice and dice from

SaintLeonard 02-23-2014 10:55 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Jeremy Gallon running a 4-4. That should really help his stock, good for him.

I honestly see Lance Moore in Gallon. He's undersized, but he never ever drops a pass and he is a terrific route runner. He'll make an impact somewhere. Wouldn't mind it to be here. :)

jeanpierre 02-23-2014 12:11 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
***Big Mover Alert***

WR Jeff Janis, Saginaw Valley State; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 219 lbs.

Ran a 4.30 40 yard dash and also a leader among the WO group with 20 reps on the Bench Press exam...

Ladies and Gentlemen, meet your third round pick, if he's still there...

hagan714 02-23-2014 03:55 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 579149)
***Big Mover Alert***

WR Jeff Janis, Saginaw Valley State; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 219 lbs.

Ran a 4.30 40 yard dash and also a leader among the WO group with 20 reps on the Bench Press exam...

Ladies and Gentlemen, meet your third round pick, if he's still there...

first question that will not get answered how did the interview process go? good football IQ or not?

exile 02-23-2014 03:59 PM

2014 NFL Draft
 
RBs worth taking are mighty slow. No APs in this draft. D'Anthony didn't impress. Tre Mason, maybe, but not before the 3rd round.

Dri Archer is lightning fast. But small. He may be the only sleeper but not an every down back.

Jeremy Hill and Hyde may be solid. But they aren't elite. Eddie Lacy good at best.

exile 02-23-2014 04:28 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
QBs. Johnny Football runs 4.56. Wow. McCarron has a live arm but a large gut. Bortles looks good and David Carr refuses to throw. What the heck?

Logan Thomas late to the Saints? Has all the skills and size but needs coaching. He could be a good one sitting behind Brees for awhile.

exile 02-23-2014 04:42 PM

2014 NFL Draft
 
WRs. Moncrief with a 4.40. Benjamin is a monster. Beckham is fast. Cooks is faster. Watkins is a superstar.

Moncrief is our best bet. Let's get him.

Overall, the WRs are fast, strong and have good hands. Talk about a deep position in this draft.

SaintLeonard 02-23-2014 05:03 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Jarvis Landry had a terrible combine, but those who really know Landry know that a bad combine was to be expected. Landry is not a great athlete. However, he does everything outstandingly well from a technical standpoint. He's probably the best route-runner in this draft, and he has as sure hands as any WR out there. He has a knack for creating separation, despite his less than stellar speed. I still think he's worth a late first or early second. I would love it if the Saints took Landry.

K Major 02-23-2014 05:19 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard (Post 579175)
Jarvis Landry had a terrible combine, but those who really know Landry know that a bad combine was to be expected. Landry is not a great athlete. However, he does everything outstandingly well from a technical standpoint. He's probably the best route-runner in this draft, and he has as sure hands as any WR out there. He has a knack for creating separation, despite his less than stellar speed. I still think he's worth a late first or early second. I would love it if the Saints took Landry.

+1 Saint Leonard.

Landry is a gamer. When the lights come on, he shows up big. I still believe he was one of the best WR's (complete body of work) in college football last season.

jeanpierre 02-23-2014 05:24 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 579167)
first question that will not get answered how did the interview process go? good football IQ or not?

The only knock on him I've found so far are the small hands and small school background...

Curious about the interview process...

Speaking of which, the Saints have not traditionally selected any one in the draft that they interviewed which is sad because there are three in their interview group that I really like...

K Major 02-23-2014 05:38 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by exile (Post 579171)
QBs. Johnny Football runs 4.56. Wow. McCarron has a live arm but a large gut. Bortles looks good and David Carr refuses to throw. What the heck?

Logan Thomas late to the Saints? Has all the skills and size but needs coaching. He could be a good one sitting behind Brees for awhile.


Yep. Johnny can run and AJ had a solid day. I agree Exile, not throwing at the combine was a missed opportunity for Carr to showcase his talent.

jeanpierre 02-23-2014 06:21 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Am I the only one that expected a better 40 yard dash time from Johnny Manziel?

For a short quarterback, I expected a 4.4 or better...

papz 02-23-2014 07:17 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
A 4.4 for a quarterback is extremely rare.

ChrisXVI 02-23-2014 07:23 PM

2014 NFL Draft
 
Kind of disappointed by D'Anthony Thomas in the 40... Dri Archer definitely stole the show. Of course speed isn't everything but Archer and Jeff Janis made themselves a little extra money this weekend.

papz 02-23-2014 07:33 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
I'd love to have Archer return kicks for us. He'd make one hell of a weapon for Payton.

ChrisXVI 02-23-2014 08:26 PM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 579189)
I'd love to have Archer return kicks for us. He'd make one hell of a weapon for Payton.


He'd be our own Trindon Holliday. Cut Cadet and let Archer learn for a season under Sproles... Then let Sproles go after the season for cap space.

hagan714 02-24-2014 12:12 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
In the 4/5 or 5/6 range i am looking at

Jerick McKinnon Georgia Southern 5090 209

32 reps of 225???? then puts up a 4.41 and a ten split 1.46 same as Archer DAMMMMMMMMMMM.

RB/WR/KR/DB/QB - TO NAME JUST A FEW lets me spell that out
starring at quarterback, slotback, fullback, defensive back and kick returner

he is a player if you draft him you find a away to get him on the field. special teams gunning demon i bet right out the gate in year one. he is the type of player that gets that last spot on the roster

LMAO COMPARES TO: Mark Ingram, New Orleans Saints
Jerick McKinnon, RB, Georgia Southern, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

the other small school mighty mouse that looked really good was

John Brown, Pittsburg State WR/KR 5-10, 179, 4.34
This kid has great hands

They did much better than i thought they would
Tyler Gaffney Stanford
George Atkinson ND

with this draft i would take a handful of beans and the cap space and trade Ingram. ok maybe not beans

hagan714 02-24-2014 02:53 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
UPDATE AFTER 2 DAYS OF COMBINE

Round 1
Jason Verrett CB TCU 5095 176

Round 2
Jack Mewhort ROT/OG/LS Ohio St. 6060 306

Round 3
Weston Richburg OC Colorado St 6-3 298

Round 4
Josh Mauro, DE/DT Stanford 6054 276 4.98

Round 5
Howard Jones OLB/ILB Shepard 6022 229 4.54

6th
Jerick McKinnon RB/WR/QB/DB/KR Georgia Southern 5090 209 4.41

or
Brandon Dixon NW Missouri St CB/FS 5112 204 4.41

TheOak 02-24-2014 07:11 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 579184)
Am I the only one that expected a better 40 yard dash time from Johnny Manziel?

For a short quarterback, I expected a 4.4 or better...

Wilson ran a 4.55 and is shorter than Manziell. These are QBs brother.

40 yard times for QBs are moot, quickness is more relevant than speed.

exile 02-24-2014 09:10 AM

Re: 2014 NFL Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 579217)
40 yard times for QBs are moot, quickness is more relevant than speed.

I have to disagree with you a bit here Oak. QBs times used to be moot but with today's hybrid QBs. It's a big deal.


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