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jeanpierre 04-20-2016 04:06 PM

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Wow, if Bosa or Buckner fell to us - now that would be something...

The G'nats are reloaded on the defensive line...

The Jags just committed a ton of money in Malik Jackson et al...

The Cowboys are loaded up front, have need at both QB and at DB...

The Ravens need to shore up their offensive line after free agency...

The Rams, Eagles, 49ers need a quarterback...

So a top five player could fall...

Now, someone could try to jump us at 12 with da Bears...

Yeah, Hagan said we could end up having some serious leverage...

ChrisXVI 04-20-2016 04:30 PM

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Well now Demarcus Lawrence will be suspended 4 games joining Randy Gregory... I think we can count on the Cowboys grabbing Buckner at this point.

halloween 65 04-20-2016 05:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 699985)
Well now Demarcus Lawrence will be suspended 4 games joining Randy Gregory... I think we can count on the Cowboys grabbing Buckner at this point.

Buckners going to fall to us.

|Mitch| 04-20-2016 05:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 699994)
Buckners going to fall to us.

We couldn't get that lucky :bng:

hagan714 04-20-2016 07:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 699985)
Well now Demarcus Lawrence will be suspended 4 games joining Randy Gregory... I think we can count on the Cowboys grabbing Buckner at this point.

Who in the draft is most likely to be among the group of annual offenders? Noah is my guess

voodooido 04-20-2016 08:09 PM

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My surprise pick at 12 is Jack Conklin OT/OG Michigan State. With the depth of defensive linemen in the draft the Saints could get DE/DT in the 2nd and 3rd that generally would be picked in the first. That would shore up the o-line for years to come. We need Drew standing up.

ChrisXVI 04-20-2016 08:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 700006)
Who in the draft is most likely to be among the group of annual offenders? Noah is my guess

It's cliched to say at this point, but Robert Nkemdiche is one weird dude. He's a sax playing fan of Pink Floyd and The Grateful Dead and is also into eastern mysticism... He'll be heading down the Ricky Williams path.

lee909 04-20-2016 11:59 PM

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Nothong weird of being a fan of Pink Floyd.

Shine on you crazy diamond,shine on

ChrisXVI 04-21-2016 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 700016)
Nothong weird of being a fan of Pink Floyd.

Shine on you crazy diamond,shine on

One of my favorite bands of all time... But he said "The Division Bell" is his favorite album of theirs which raises more character concerns with me than jumping out of a 4th story window!

jeanpierre 04-21-2016 05:26 AM

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It has always amazed me how self-centered some of these draft picks are and how incredulous they come off when fans and teams are not tolerable of those selfish players who put their needs of being comfortably numb over the team's success...

jeanpierre 04-21-2016 05:40 AM

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New Draft Order Up To The Saints...

1 Los Angeles Rams
2 Philadelphia Eagles
3 San Diego Chargers
4 Dallas Cowboys
5 Jacksonville Jaguars
6 Baltimore Ravens
7 San Francisco 49ers
8 Cleveland Browns
9 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
10 New York Giants
11 Chicago Bears
12 New Orleans Saints

There's some real potential for some lasting schädenfreude with this latest trade..

Chip Kelly had given away talent these last few years and now the Eagles traded the ability to restock that talent...

And the quarterback will have the distinction of being No. 2 in the draft - not exactly the best track record in recent NFL drafts...

Of course, the Browns are the Browns so they still may not have acquired enough picks to overcome their ineptness...

Couldn't happen to two of the finer a$$hole teams in the NFL...

jeanpierre 04-21-2016 05:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 699947)
Chris Jones at 12? I'll be surprised if he is a day one selection. Would prefer A Johnson or J Reed in this scenario.

CJ is bit too raw for my liking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 699942)
R1, S12 (Pick 12) DL Chris Jones, Mississippi St; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 310 lbs.

R2, S16 (Pick 47) DE Bronson Kaufusi, Brigham Young; Height: 6’ 6”; Weight: 285 lbs.

R3, S15 (Pick 78) LG Conner McGovern, Missouri; Height: 6' 4"; Weight: 306 lbs.

TRADE CB Keenan Lewis for late 3rd, early 4th rd pick and select CB Kalan Reed, Southern Miss; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 192 lbs.

R4, S14 (Pick 112) WR Keyarris Garrett, Tulsa; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 220 lbs.

R5, S13 (Pick 152) NT D.J. Reader, Clemson; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 327 lbs.

R6, S12 (Pick 187*) TRADED this pick with 2015 Sixth Round Pick traded for DB Damian Swann (2015, R5, S31, Pick 167)

R7, S16 (Pick 237) K Jaden Oberkrum, TCU; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 183 lbs.

Here's what I'm thinking with this draft...

DEFENSE

RDE/5T (2) Cameron Jordan, Bronson Kaufusi

NG/1T (3) Tyeler Davison, D.J. Reader, John Jenkins

LDE/3T (2) Chris Jones, Nick Fairley, Bobby Richardson

JLB/9T (2) Hau'oli Kikaha, Kasim Edebali, Davis Tull

SLB (2) Stephone Anthony, Mike Mauti

MLB (2) James Laurinaitis, Craig Robertson

WLB (2) Dannell Ellerbe, Nate Stupar

RCB (3) Kalan Reed (trade Keenan Lewis), P.J. Williams, Brian Dixon

SS (3) Kenny Vaccaro, Erik Harris, Jamarca Sanford, Vinnie Sunseri

FS (2) Jairus Byrd, Damian Swann (Moved)

LCB (2) Delvin Breaux, Kyle Wilson, P.J. Williams

We'd have some serious depth at key positions and have capability to make some trades for areas of need after determining our best fits...

lee909 04-21-2016 08:22 AM

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You think we are playing 3-4 still?
I was expecting to go back to 4-3 with Allen

Seer1 04-21-2016 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 700033)
You think we are playing 3-4 still?
I was expecting to go back to 4-3 with Allen

I'll be happy if they field a defense at all.

hagan714 04-21-2016 01:25 PM

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Jarran Reed, DT/NT/DE, Alabama 6034 307

makes no difference what you run. 34 or 43 he can handle both DT and NT and excel at either one.

Chris Jones straight up DT in a 43 or a DE in a 34. besides where did he disappear to till the end of the season when draft chatter started up.

blackangold 04-21-2016 01:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 700033)
You think we are playing 3-4 still?
I was expecting to go back to 4-3 with Allen

We are playing a 43... it's all we played when Allen took over and it's the only type of defense Allen has ever played regardless of team...

jeanpierre 04-21-2016 01:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 700033)
You think we are playing 3-4 still?
I was expecting to go back to 4-3 with Allen

Yes and Neaux...

Based on what Coach Payton stated in interviews during the off-season after the Laurinaitis signing and subsequent re-assignment of linebacker rolls...

Payton said that Kikaha would primarily be rushing the passer as opposed to playing an OLB in space; in fact, in one NOLA.com interview he referred to Kikaha in a "jack" type role and moving Cam Jordan back to a true end...

Based on that, I set up a depth chart, with possible gap assignments based on the personnel we have and where they've historically played or where Coach stated they might play (based on the aforementioned interview(s))...

So that's why the depth chart alignment looks as it does...

As some other members have mentioned, Hagan, Danno et al, we'll be running more a 4-3- under, with the "jack" almost exclusively assigned to pass rusher duties, with the occasional surprise drop back into coverage...

jeanpierre 04-21-2016 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 700060)
Jarran Reed, DT/NT/DE, Alabama 6034 307

makes no difference what you run. 34 or 43 he can handle both DT and NT and excel at either one.

Chris Jones straight up DT in a 43 or a DE in a 34. besides where did he disappear to till the end of the season when draft chatter started up.

Jones can also play NT, and did so with some success...

Again, per PFF, among others, State's Chris Jones had highest pass rush ratings among defensive linemen - that makes him a three down player in my book which is a big box to check and clear when selecting with a first round pick...

jeanpierre 04-21-2016 01:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 699985)
Well now Demarcus Lawrence will be suspended 4 games joining Randy Gregory... I think we can count on the Cowboys grabbing Buckner at this point.

Jerruh said they have no interest in Ohio State DL Joey Bosa...

Jerr is a big fat liar...

Da Boys may likely draft...Joey Bosa...

ChrisXVI 04-21-2016 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 700066)
Jerruh said they have no interest in Ohio State DL Joey Bosa...

Jerr is a big fat liar...

Da Boys may likely draft...Joey Bosa...

I don't know... Bosa comes with his own character concerns about partying and drug use. With two DE's suspended for substance abuse it could sour the Cowboys on Bosa.

K Major 04-21-2016 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 700067)
I don't know... Bosa comes with his own character concerns about partying and drug use. With two DE's suspended for substance abuse it could sour the Cowboys on Bosa.

Good article right here.

Why Joey Bosa spent his final Ohio State season in solitude

Mr. Bosa has recommitted himself, appears even more disciplined and is ready to play football 24/7 at the next level. If he is still on the board @ 4, the people up here in Death Star nation would be foolish not to draft him.

WillSaints81 04-21-2016 05:06 PM

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So I'm going to say this. The rounds after the first two is what scares me. I'm still on the 2012 draft and other than Jairus Wright noboody drafted late as a receiver has panned out from this draft. And guards also I have found no one successful drafted late. MY computer restarted so the notepad that had the copy and pasted links did not get saved.

rezburna 04-21-2016 06:18 PM

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I think Noah Spence is the choice.

jeanpierre 04-21-2016 06:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 700084)
So I'm going to say this. The rounds after the first two is what scares me. I'm still on the 2012 draft and other than Jairus Wright noboody drafted late as a receiver has panned out from this draft. And guards also I have found no one successful drafted late. MY computer restarted so the notepad that had the copy and pasted links did not get saved.

Go to Start, Type and Select "Find" and enter "*.tmp"; you'll see several files but you may find a discriminator among the files names and that your computer has a copy of it...

Now, Re: "And guards also I have found no one successful drafted late"...

I'll just keep hammering this point about the Saints and drafting offensive linemen - Jahri Evans (4th round), Zach Strief (7th round), Carl Nicks (5th round), Jermon Bushrod (4th round), Terron Armstead (3rd round)...

Armstead wasn't a top 75 pick (76th actually)...

Charles Brown (2nd round), Andy Alleman (3rd round)...

So I'd relax if we don't have an offensive lineman until Day 3...

ChrisXVI 04-21-2016 06:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 700097)
I think Noah Spence is the choice.

I have a sneaking feeling you might be correct.

WillSaints81 04-21-2016 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 700098)
Go to Start, Type and Select "Find" and enter "*.tmp"; you'll see several files but you may find a discriminator among the files names and that your computer has a copy of it...

Now, Re: "And guards also I have found no one successful drafted late"...

I'll just keep hammering this point about the Saints and drafting offensive linemen - Jahri Evans (4th round), Zach Strief (7th round), Carl Nicks (5th round), Jermon Bushrod (4th round), Terron Armstead (3rd round)...

Armstead wasn't a top 75 pick (76th actually)...

Charles Brown (2nd round), Andy Alleman (3rd round)...

So I'd relax if we don't have an offensive lineman until Day 3...


Well that helps but I'm just looking for what measurables they have to have. It appears olinemen with a high number of bench presses are the way to go. I saw a difference between Zeiffert and his teammate from Wisconsin in regards to this. The teammate is not on an active roster.

WillSaints81 04-21-2016 06:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 700098)
Go to Start, Type and Select "Find" and enter "*.tmp"; you'll see several files but you may find a discriminator among the files names and that your computer has a copy of it...

Now, Re: "And guards also I have found no one successful drafted late"...

I'll just keep hammering this point about the Saints and drafting offensive linemen - Jahri Evans (4th round), Zach Strief (7th round), Carl Nicks (5th round), Jermon Bushrod (4th round), Terron Armstead (3rd round)...

Armstead wasn't a top 75 pick (76th actually)...

Charles Brown (2nd round), Andy Alleman (3rd round)...

So I'd relax if we don't have an offensive lineman until Day 3...


Oh and the notepad was not saved. I have windows 10.

Seer1 04-21-2016 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 700103)
I have windows 10.

Now that is what should be keeping' you up all night... :-D

WillSaints81 04-21-2016 11:26 PM

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Its had problems early on but things appear fine for now.

jeanpierre 04-22-2016 05:43 AM

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Check your privacy settings re: Windows 10 and do your research online...

Hidden among demanded waived rights in Microsoft's Dostoevsky-level EULA is waiver of what some consider important privacy rights...

Now back to the Draft and draft prospects which is now less than a week away...

jeanpierre 04-22-2016 05:55 AM

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Less than a week away - this is my Saints Fan Big Board... :bng:

R1, S12 (Pick 12) WR Laquon Treadwell, Mississippi; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 210 lbs.
Alternate Selection: DL Chris Jones, Mississippi St; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 310 lbs.

R2, S16 (Pick 47) DE Bronson Kaufusi, Brigham Young; Height: 6’ 6”; Weight: 285 lbs.
Alternate Selection: DL Austin Johnson, Penn St.; Height: 6’ 4”; Weight: 314 lbs.

R3, S15 (Pick 78) CB Kalan Reed, Southern Miss; Height: 5’ 11”; Weight: 192 lbs.
Alternate Selection: WR Keyarris Garrett, Tulsa; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 220 lbs.

R4, S14 (Pick 112) LG Conner McGovern, Missouri; Height: 6' 4"; Weight: 306 lbs.
Alternate Selection: LB Nick Vigil, Utah State ; Height: 6’ 2”; Weight: 239 lbs.

R5, S13 (Pick 152) NT D.J. Reader, Clemson; Height: 6’ 3”; Weight: 327 lbs.
Alternate Selection: OL Joe Thuney, NC State; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 304 lbs.

R6, S12 (Pick 187*) TRADED this pick with 2015 Sixth Round Pick traded for DB Damian Swann (2015, R5, S31, Pick 167)

R7, S16 (Pick 237) K Jaden Oberkrum, TCU; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 183 lbs.
Alternate Selection: WR Moritz Boehringer, Schwäbisch (Germany); Height: 6' 4"; Weight: 227 lbs.
Alternate Selection: DL Justin Zimmer, Ferris State (Michigan); Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 305 lbs.

hagan714 04-22-2016 05:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 700097)
I think Noah Spence is the choice.

enough already please. every time i read noah i want to smash something.

He is not fast
He is not quick
He is not strong
He is not big
He can not cover
He can not set the edge
He is not a first round pick

He is a media diva that is nothing more than a one trick pony with a huge monkey on his back. Even then his pony is a toy pony.

Even without the monkey he is a third round talent at best with a steep learning curve. In 3 years you might have something to work with. That if he is not "X" out sitting in a corner somewhere.

jeanpierre 04-22-2016 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 700126)
enough already please. every time i read noah i want to smash something.

:lol:

Saying the same thing earlier - We have Kikaha, Tull and Edebali...give them a chance this season to contribute and then if it's not there, go out and get some new faces on the edge...

Getting a new "X" receiver to replace Colston, shoring up the offensive and defensive line(s), getting another DB for safety or another CB to allow Swann to shift to FS/SS should be the priorities...

I'd even trade Keenan Lewis should a CB like P.J. or a draft pick (e.g. Kalan Reed) ably complement Del Breaux; get that cap back under control and fiscally manage it better...

K Major 04-22-2016 07:11 AM

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Corey Coleman or Josh Dotson would be better choices for me at WR.

hagan714 04-22-2016 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 700130)
Corey Coleman or Josh Dotson would be better choices for me at WR.

If it was not for that broken wrist I would grab him also. But the more I watch the kid the more I like him and the more upside I see. I love the way he works the middle of the field.

No way does he fall out of the top 15 IMO. It also would floor me to hear his name before we even pick. Talent is there but this is a great draft for him. this is the slower than molasses draft at WR.

jeanpierre 04-22-2016 12:04 PM

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Just watch the film of Laquon Treadwell; watch the film...

K Major 04-22-2016 12:35 PM

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I remember reading an article by the Advocate (can't find it at the moment) on Sean P stating how he wants to take the top off the opposing defense (ala Meachem & Devery days).

I just don't see how Treadwell fills that void and is part of our plans on draft day.

FinSaint 04-22-2016 01:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 700141)
Just watch the film of Laquon Treadwell; watch the film...


I hadn't watched any tape on him, since WR really didn't seem like such a big need to me, but decided to give his film a shot and...

He does seem like a really good possession receiver and eerily similar to what the Saints had in Colston. He does seem to move surprisingly well for his frame, and the straight-line speed doesn't really deter me, since Colston was never a burner himself.

So, I wouldn't be upset if the Saints were to pick him at 12 if he happened to still be available.

jeanpierre 04-22-2016 02:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 700144)
I remember reading an article by the Advocate (can't find it at the moment) on Sean P stating how he wants to take the top off the opposing defense (ala Meachem & Devery days).

I just don't see how Treadwell fills that void and is part of our plans on draft day.

Cooks fills the void you're referring...

When the field gets short, the big defensive backs will smother Cooks, Smead; and that's where you come back with Treadwell...

And Laquon is going to win those battles out of the gate as a rookie...

K Major 04-22-2016 02:20 PM

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I wish the draft was tomorrow :ohno:.


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