2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

K Major · 07-06-2017, 02:10 PM

Kenny V is solid but not the impact player we need.

Saints FO have drafted two safeties in the second round 2 years in a row makes me wonder.

AsylumGuido · 07-06-2017, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Kenny V is solid but not the impact player we need.

Saints FO have drafted two safeties in the second round 2 years in a row makes me wonder.

If used to his strengths and with a supporting cast he may be that impact player. As for the two safeties drafted the last two years ... both are very talented and hard to pass up at that point especially with the more and more commonly utilized three safety sets.

ChrisXVI · 07-06-2017, 05:46 PM

See I've always been under the impression that Vaccaro's role as nickel CB/moneybacker was born out of us not having good CB depth or LB's who can cover. If our CB's stay healthy and we can actually put a legitimate nickel CB on the field, and our revamped LB corp can help in pass defense... Will Vaccaro thrive as a more traditional safety or will his weaknesses be exposed?

halloween 65 · 07-06-2017, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

See I've always been under the impression that Vaccaro's role as nickel CB/moneybacker was born out of us not having good CB depth or LB's who can cover. If our CB's stay healthy and we can actually put a legitimate nickel CB on the field, and our revamped LB corp can help in pass defense... Will Vaccaro thrive as a more traditional safety or will his weaknesses be exposed?

Exposed. I'll take another Harper anyday!!

ChrisXVI · 07-06-2017, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Exposed. I'll take another Harper anyday!!

I should clarify what I mean when I question if his weaknesses will be exposed. He's made a pretty good impact playing in the box, but the talk out of minicamp was that we're going to disguise coverages a lot more now that we have a good, versatile group of safeties. Vaccaro will be asked to play in a deeper zone more often because it's unexpected. That's never been his strong suit. I'm not saying he can't do it... Maybe he'll thrive. We won't know until it happens.

WillMacKenzie · 07-06-2017, 05:59 PM

Vaccaro is good. Our defense has largely been a product of underwhelming pass rush and running out of depth at certain positions.

You may see him miss a play and not realize that the reason he's out of position is because he's feeling the pressure of trying to do not only his job but everyone else's.

With the talent we're acquiring now, and hopefully the improved pass rush, you could see a much better version of KV this year.

Just my two.

hagan714 · 07-07-2017, 06:03 AM

Kenny as a true safety?
he has not developed into that roll yet and probably never will live up to first round pick value.

Kenny as a chess piece to move around and play a LB/S roll?
This is his specialty and he is one of the better ones in the NFL.

Just do not over pay the toy in 2018.

But Rob Roy had his dream and Pro Bowl SS Malcolm Jenkins was not part of that dream. So two first round picks spent on one position. Bit costly for a S/LB

Rob Ryan was the biggest mistake of the Sean Payton Era

dizzle88 · 07-07-2017, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Kenny as a true safety?
he has not developed into that roll yet and probably never will live up to first round pick value.

Kenny as a chess piece to move around and play a LB/S roll?
This is his specialty and he is one of the better ones in the NFL.

Just do not over pay the toy in 2018.

But Rob Roy had his dream and Pro Bowl SS Malcolm Jenkins was not part of that dream. So two first round picks spent on one position. Bit costly for a S/LB

Rob Ryan was the biggest mistake of the Sean Payton Era

I doubt getting rid of Jenkins was Rob Ryan's decision, letting Jenkins go to sign Byrd has Sean Payton written all over it.

Just like when he tried to pay upwards of 50 mil for Paul Kruger but the Browns outbid him.

AsylumGuido · 07-07-2017, 07:30 AM

But all of that is in the past. Personnel moves have been much better over the past two years and things are really looking up.

halloween 65 · 07-08-2017, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I doubt getting rid of Jenkins was Rob Ryan's decision, letting Jenkins go to sign Byrd has Sean Payton written all over it.

Just like when he tried to pay upwards of 50 mil for Paul Kruger but the Browns outbid him.

I'm glad we got rid of Jenkins with his ass clown play while he was here, actually pathetic play. I could care less about if he pro bowls every year, I think waking him up was going to not have those easy game checks our front office give his for his pathetic play while he was here and another team wasn't going to go so easy on his sorry butt. Yeah money wakes people up sometimes!!

07-06-2017, 02:10 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,740 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Kenny V is solid but not the impact player we need. Saints FO have drafted two safeties in the second round 2 years in a row makes me wonder.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Kenny V is solid but not the impact player we need. Saints FO have drafted two safeties in the second round 2 years in a row makes me wonder. If used to his strengths and with a supporting cast he may be that impact player. As for the two safeties drafted the last two years ... both are very talented and hard to pass up at that point especially with the more and more commonly utilized three safety sets.

07-06-2017, 05:46 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook See I've always been under the impression that Vaccaro's role as nickel CB/moneybacker was born out of us not having good CB depth or LB's who can cover. If our CB's stay healthy and we can actually put a legitimate nickel CB on the field, and our revamped LB corp can help in pass defense... Will Vaccaro thrive as a more traditional safety or will his weaknesses be exposed?

07-06-2017, 08:26 PM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by ChrisXVI See I've always been under the impression that Vaccaro's role as nickel CB/moneybacker was born out of us not having good CB depth or LB's who can cover. If our CB's stay healthy and we can actually put a legitimate nickel CB on the field, and our revamped LB corp can help in pass defense... Will Vaccaro thrive as a more traditional safety or will his weaknesses be exposed? Exposed. I'll take another Harper anyday!!

07-06-2017, 08:58 PM	#5
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by halloween 65 Exposed. I'll take another Harper anyday!! I should clarify what I mean when I question if his weaknesses will be exposed. He's made a pretty good impact playing in the box, but the talk out of minicamp was that we're going to disguise coverages a lot more now that we have a good, versatile group of safeties. Vaccaro will be asked to play in a deeper zone more often because it's unexpected. That's never been his strong suit. I'm not saying he can't do it... Maybe he'll thrive. We won't know until it happens.

07-06-2017, 05:59 PM	#6
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Vaccaro is good. Our defense has largely been a product of underwhelming pass rush and running out of depth at certain positions. You may see him miss a play and not realize that the reason he's out of position is because he's feeling the pressure of trying to do not only his job but everyone else's. With the talent we're acquiring now, and hopefully the improved pass rush, you could see a much better version of KV this year. Just my two.

07-07-2017, 06:03 AM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Kenny as a true safety? he has not developed into that roll yet and probably never will live up to first round pick value. Kenny as a chess piece to move around and play a LB/S roll? This is his specialty and he is one of the better ones in the NFL. Just do not over pay the toy in 2018. But Rob Roy had his dream and Pro Bowl SS Malcolm Jenkins was not part of that dream. So two first round picks spent on one position. Bit costly for a S/LB Rob Ryan was the biggest mistake of the Sean Payton Era
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins Last edited by hagan714; 07-07-2017 at 06:36 AM..

07-07-2017, 07:17 AM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by hagan714 Kenny as a true safety? he has not developed into that roll yet and probably never will live up to first round pick value. Kenny as a chess piece to move around and play a LB/S roll? This is his specialty and he is one of the better ones in the NFL. Just do not over pay the toy in 2018. But Rob Roy had his dream and Pro Bowl SS Malcolm Jenkins was not part of that dream. So two first round picks spent on one position. Bit costly for a S/LB Rob Ryan was the biggest mistake of the Sean Payton Era I doubt getting rid of Jenkins was Rob Ryan's decision, letting Jenkins go to sign Byrd has Sean Payton written all over it. Just like when he tried to pay upwards of 50 mil for Paul Kruger but the Browns outbid him.

07-07-2017, 07:30 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook But all of that is in the past. Personnel moves have been much better over the past two years and things are really looking up.

07-08-2017, 12:39 PM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by dizzle88 I doubt getting rid of Jenkins was Rob Ryan's decision, letting Jenkins go to sign Byrd has Sean Payton written all over it. Just like when he tried to pay upwards of 50 mil for Paul Kruger but the Browns outbid him. I'm glad we got rid of Jenkins with his ass clown play while he was here, actually pathetic play. I could care less about if he pro bowls every year, I think waking him up was going to not have those easy game checks our front office give his for his pathetic play while he was here and another team wasn't going to go so easy on his sorry butt. Yeah money wakes people up sometimes!!

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