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jeanpierre 01-07-2020 12:18 PM

2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 

jeanpierre 01-07-2020 12:22 PM

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Guys I'm Really Liking:

RT/LG Tristan Wirfs, Iowa; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 322 lbs
C/RG Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 315 lbs
C/RG Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 316 lbs
LG/RT Cole Van Lanen, Wisconsin; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 316 lbs
LG/RG Ben Bredeson, Michigan; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 325 lbs
C/RG Jake Hanson, Oregon; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 295 lbs

WR Jalen Reagor, TCU; Height: 5' 11"; Weight: 195 lbs
WR Denzel Mims, Baylor; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 215 lbs
WR Brandon Aiyuk, Arizona St; Height: 6' 1"; Weight: 206 lbs
WR Devin Duvernay, Texas: 5' 11"; Weight: 210 lbs

DL K'Lavon Chaisson, LSU; Height: 6' 4"; Weight: 250 lbs
DL Javon Kinlaw, South Carolina; Height: 6' 6"; Weight: 310 lbs
DL Leki Fotu, Utah; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 335 lbs
DL Terrell Lewis, Bama; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 252 lbs
DL Neville Gallimore, Oklahoma; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 302 lbs
DL Ray Lima, Iowa St; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 305 lbs
DL Kenny Willekes, Michigan St; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 260 lbs
DL Nick Coe, Auburn; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 291 lbs

CB Kristian Fulton, LSU; Height: 6' 0"; Weight: 200 lbs
CB Trevon Diggs, Bama, LSU; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 207 lbs
CB Cameron Dantzler, Miss St; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 185 lbs
CB A.J. Terrell, Clemson; Height: 6' 1"; Weight: 190 lbs
CB Jeff Gladney, TCU; Height: 6' 0"; Weight: 183 lbs
CB Myles Bryant, Washington; Height: 5' 9"; Weight: 185 lbs

jeanpierre 01-07-2020 12:26 PM

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Two RBs I'm really liking:

RB Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin; Height: 5' 11"; Weight: 219 lbs
RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, LSU; Height: 5' 8"; Weight: 209 lbs

jeanpierre 01-07-2020 12:26 PM

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jeanpierre 01-07-2020 04:56 PM

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Too soon?


ChrisXVI 01-07-2020 05:00 PM

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Oh man I’ve been waiting for this thread!!

halloween 65 01-07-2020 06:40 PM

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All depends on who we keep but I've only looked at rb's so far. If Brees stays (I think he will) we will definately need to have a top notch D with a monster run game. Deep ball want be there as the season goes on. O-line help is a must because he can't scramble as well as he used to.

neugey 01-07-2020 08:38 PM

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College guys I watched that got me hard -

Gophers WR Tyler Johnson
Buckeyes RB JK Dobbins
Sooners WR CeeDee Lamb
Longhorns WR Duvernay
Tigers QB Burrow
Gophers DB Winfield Jr
Hawkeyes DE Epenesa
LSU Tigers DE Chiasson
Buckeyes CB Okudah

Nittany Lions TE Friermuth, but he's probably a year away

K Major 01-08-2020 09:04 AM

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Guard - Big NEED
LB - an assassin who can get to those edges with bad intentions. Demario needs help.
WR - slot (don't like Deonte here. He's TOO VALUABLE ON S/T)
CB

K Major 01-08-2020 09:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 876386)
Two RBs I'm really liking:

RB Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin; Height: 5' 11"; Weight: 219 lbs
RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, LSU; Height: 5' 8"; Weight: 209 lbs

Of course. Especially Clyde ... what is there NOT to like about my Alma Mater (CATHOLIC HIGH- BR) RB's :p.

Warrick Dunn
Travis Minor
Jeremy Stewart
Derrius Guice
Clyde-Edwards-Helaire

Wishing thinking on RB though .. .Sean won't run the damn football when we need to.

foreverfan 01-08-2020 09:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 876439)
Oh man I’ve been waiting for this thread!!

Don't try and tell me the season is dead...

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jeanpierre 01-08-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 876480)

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jeanpierre 01-08-2020 10:52 AM

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Been giving this some thought about Payton's reluctance to employ Murray more in the Saints' running game...

And I think I've identified the problem - Murray left too much meat on the bone, that is was knocked off balance and fell down in secondaries...

Payton is a perfectionist, and wants to hit a home run on every single play, that's why Ingram saw the ball so much in the 2017 run, because he kept ripping off those long @ss runs, what he was drafted...

Now, for me, while Murray did fall down a few times, I'd still prefer eight yards and a cloud of dust along with 0:50 secs of ball control per play, but Payton wants to run a fast-break offense, still doesn't get it...

Which circles me back to why'd we let Ingram go and sign and more expensive Murray, when we'd had the money to upgrade, desperately needed, Z-WR in Ted Ginn?!?

Enter Wisconsin Jonathan Taylor or LSUs Clyde E'Claire; Taylor has that big play ability, E'Claire is more of Pierre Thomas; don't be surprised if Payton makes a move in the draft for either...

K Major 01-08-2020 11:01 AM

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We've seen enough games for years now to know it won't matter who the RB is in New Orleans as long as Sean is calling plays.

He will simply not embrace the notion of staying committed to running the football. It's not who he is as a play caller.

blackangold 01-08-2020 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 876494)
Been giving this some thought about Payton's reluctance to employ Murray more in the Saints' running game...

And I think I've identified the problem - Murray left too much meat on the bone, that is was knocked off balance and fell down in secondaries...

Payton is a perfectionist, and wants to hit a home run on every single play, that's why Ingram saw the ball so much in the 2017 run, because he kept ripping off those long @ss runs, what he was drafted...

Now, for me, while Murray did fall down a few times, I'd still prefer eight yards and a cloud of dust along with 0:50 secs of ball control per play, but Payton wants to run a fast-break offense, still doesn't get it...

Which circles me back to why'd we let Ingram go and sign and more expensive Murray, when we'd had the money to upgrade, desperately needed, Z-WR in Ted Ginn?!?

Enter Wisconsin Jonathan Taylor or LSUs Clyde E'Claire; Taylor has that big play ability, E'Claire is more of Pierre Thomas; don't be surprised if Payton makes a move in the draft for either...

I don’t buy that. There is no one on this team that left more “meat on the bone” than Alvin Kamara this year. You could feed a family of 4 with the amount he left out there. Yet Payton kept talking about needing to get him the ball more. Payton has his guys that he doesn’t want to get outshined, Murray looked better than AK all year, I don’t think Payton likes that too much...

RefsRobbedUs 01-08-2020 11:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 876479)
Of course. Especially Clyde ... what is there NOT to like about my Alma Mater (CATHOLIC HIGH- BR) RB's :p.

Warrick Dunn
Travis Minor
Jeremy Stewart
Derrius Guice
Clyde-Edwards-Helaire

Wishing thinking on RB though .. .Sean won't run the damn football when we need to.

I think during one of the LSU games they mentioned that Drew Brees said Clyde reminds him so much of Mark Ingram

neugey 01-08-2020 12:03 PM

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I also wouldn't mind drafting Navy QB Malcolm Perry and seeing what he could do for us. He looked special in that Army-Navy game.

foreverfan 01-08-2020 02:37 PM

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END OF SEASON RECAP.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 876439)
Oh man I’ve been waiting for this thread!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 876480)
Don't try and tell me the season is dead...

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/c0/c014c0...eca65c05f4.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 876483)

You're Killing Me.

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MarchingOn 01-08-2020 03:13 PM

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Thank you for the tips, JeanPierre. I've seen none of them play but intrigued by:

C/RG Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 316 lbs. Like he's only 6'3" (maybe he'll fall over that). If he ever played next to Ramz then I'd bump him up. Would have a head start on chemistry the OL thrives on. Wonder if his name is (or will be) pronounced Badass?

LG/RG Ben Bredeson, Michigan; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 325 lbs. Like the weight and capability to play both Guard positions...just where we're weakest.

DL Nick Coe, Auburn; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 291 lbs. Wonder if he could be a DE in the Cam Jordan size/strength realm.

DL Leki Fotu, Utah; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 335 lbs. We have needed a BIG ugly in the middle for many years. Why don't we finally stop the runs up the middle already?

Rugby Saint II 01-09-2020 11:49 AM

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This is my favorite thread. I will spend months here learning about our deficiencies and who we like to fix them. We've got some good talent evaluators on the bng. Although, I was talking about this subject yesterday and I couldn't help but saying that I miss Hagan every year at this time.

Sometimes I just stare and wonder why? I loved his Avatar.

foreverfan 01-09-2020 01:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 876587)
This is my favorite thread. I will spend months here learning about our deficiencies and who we like to fix them. We've got some good talent evaluators on the bng. Although, I was talking about this subject yesterday and I couldn't help but saying that I miss Hagan every year at this time.

Sometimes I just stare and wonder why? I loved his Avatar.

Since we can only sign 3% of players, this means that this thread is about 97% of the other teams in the NFL.

FinSaint 01-09-2020 03:25 PM

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Just get new guards from Wisconsin.

...and I thought you were supposed to devalue an RB coming from that system, because of the high quality of line they are usually running behind?!

jeanpierre 01-10-2020 03:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 876610)
Just get new guards from Wisconsin.

...and I thought you were supposed to devalue an RB coming from that system, because of the high quality of line they are usually running behind?!

Probably why he's at the back end of the first round, second round grade...

Doesn't mean he's still not a great back...

ChrisXVI 01-10-2020 07:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 876610)
Just get new guards from Wisconsin.

...and I thought you were supposed to devalue an RB coming from that system, because of the high quality of line they are usually running behind?!

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ChrisXVI 01-10-2020 08:33 AM

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It’s pretty much Tyler Biadasz or Justin Jefferson in the first round.

K Major 01-10-2020 08:57 AM

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Justin went to the wrong college so I'm not gonna get my hopes up @ WR.

I like CeeDee Lamb. Getting destroyed by LSU left a bad taste in his mouth and I'm sure he wants to show his worth at the next level.

I get he played in the Big 12 (swiss cheese D) but his route running is very good and has those "mean" hands. We need more WR's not named Michael Thomas to go get those 50/50 balls. Not a burner but his ability to run crisp routes makes up for it.

He could fall to the end of the 1st rd.


jeanpierre 01-10-2020 09:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 876712)
Justin went to the wrong college so I'm not gonna get my hopes up @ WR.

I like CeeDee Lamb. Getting destroyed by LSU left a bad taste in his mouth and I'm sure he wants to show his worth at the next level.

I get he played in the Big 12 (swiss cheese D) but his route running is very good and has those "mean" hands. We need more WR's not named Michael Thomas to go get those 50/50 balls. Not a burner but his ability to run crisp routes makes up for it.

He could fall to the end of the 1st rd.

The NFL's next SUPERSTAR πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯ CeeDee Lamb Oklahoma Highlights - YouTube

CeeDee Lamb had some serious drops all season, including the LSU game, that absolutely deflated any chance of the Sooners trying to run with the Tigers...

Don't want to see us spend that first round pick on a guy who can't find the handles...

jeanpierre 01-10-2020 09:15 AM

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Two of my most favorite things: Reese's PB Cups & Mobile Senior Bowl...


K Major 01-10-2020 09:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 876715)
CeeDee Lamb had some serious drops all season, including the LSU game, that absolutely deflated any chance of the Sooners trying to run with the Tigers...

Don't want to see us spend that first round pick on a guy who can't find the handles...

Coach him up :bng:

All correctable at the next level. In the grand scheme of things, Saints will draft a guy that many of us won't mention here in the off season. I didn't expect us to draft Ramz, Latt or Davenport so hopefully I'm pleasantly surprised in April regardless of position.

jeanpierre 01-10-2020 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 876718)
Coach him up :bng:

All correctable at the next level. In the grand scheme of things, Saints will draft a guy that many of us won't mention here in the off season. I didn't expect us to draft Ramz, Latt or Davenport so hopefully I'm pleasantly surprised in April regardless of position.

But a first round pick on a guy that needs work?

jeanpierre 01-10-2020 10:29 AM

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jeanpierre 01-10-2020 06:02 PM

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The Dude 01-10-2020 09:24 PM

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All this projecting is great but at the end of the day we will have traded 2 first round picks to move up and get a developmental “raw” player that has “freak athleticism”.

darksoul35 01-10-2020 09:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 876478)
Guard - Big NEED
LB - an assassin who can get to those edges with bad intentions. Demario needs help.
WR - slot (don't like Deonte here. He's TOO VALUABLE ON S/T)
CB

You know I have to add one of my Kentucky guys. If he falls in the draft WR Lynn Bowden. He can play slot and might not be as good of a returner as Harris but I guarantee he wouldn't be much of a fall off. He is still a little raw because he had to play QB because of injury but the kid is special. I wouldn't spend a first or second but if he slips to the 3rd round some team is getting lucky.

neugey 01-10-2020 10:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 876712)
Justin went to the wrong college so I'm not gonna get my hopes up @ WR.

I like CeeDee Lamb. Getting destroyed by LSU left a bad taste in his mouth and I'm sure he wants to show his worth at the next level.

I get he played in the Big 12 (swiss cheese D) but his route running is very good and has those "mean" hands. We need more WR's not named Michael Thomas to go get those 50/50 balls. Not a burner but his ability to run crisp routes makes up for it.

He could fall to the end of the 1st rd.

The NFL's next SUPERSTAR πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯ CeeDee Lamb Oklahoma Highlights - YouTube


I'm also a big believer in CeeDee's talent. It was not just bad Big 12 defenses, he really has the skills IMO. His RAC is extraordinary and he can run routes well enough to get it done. I see a lot of Stefon Diggs in him, minus Stefon's occasional attitude issues.

jeanpierre 01-11-2020 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 876755)
I'm also a big believer in CeeDee's talent. It was not just bad Big 12 defenses, he really has the skills IMO. His RAC is extraordinary and he can run routes well enough to get it done. I see a lot of Stefon Diggs in him, minus Stefon's occasional attitude issues.

Did you watch the Okie V LSU CFP Game? He dropped some gimmes...

In my head, was having conversation with Hagan after one downfield drop pass that should've scored, and I could hear Kev saying (JP), he just dropped a gimme for seven in a big game, I'm not sold...

And that was an ideal game to scout him because of the level of competition; Lamb will probably go high, but in this deep WR class, can't justify a R1 pick on a guy who drops the ball in big games...

Respect and Love Y'all, but I'll agree to continue to disagree...

Speaking of Oklahoma, regretfully, Creed Humphrey has stated his intention to return to school; don't get it as a Center just doesn't get taken in the front half of the first round...

Now I like Wisconsin's Tyler Bad@ss, and wouldn't mind taking him and moving McCoy to Guard, but Creed Humphrey has terrific size and could go to either Guard and start right away, and maul right away...

K Major 01-11-2020 10:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 876727)
But a first round pick on a guy that needs work?

Yes. See Exhibit A - Marcus Davenport.

Even 1st rounders require "coaching up".

K Major 01-11-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 876767)
Now I like Wisconsin's Tyler Bad@ss, and wouldn't mind taking him and moving McCoy to Guard, but Creed Humphrey has terrific size and could go to either Guard and start right away, and maul right away..

:rolleyes:

Why would you want to move a guy (a polished rookie I might add) who was graded as the 5th highest graded center in the NFL? Erik has been good in both pass protection and run blocking. He had HUGE shoes to fill when Max left but this kid has taken on the challenge and accepted it well as a rookie.

Leave Erik where he's at.

neugey 01-11-2020 11:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 876767)
Did you watch the Okie V LSU CFP Game? He dropped some gimmes...

In my head, was having conversation with Hagan after one downfield drop pass that should've scored, and I could hear Kev saying (JP), he just dropped a gimme for seven in a big game, I'm not sold...

And that was an ideal game to scout him because of the level of competition; Lamb will probably go high, but in this deep WR class, can't justify a R1 pick on a guy who drops the ball in big games...

Respect and Love Y'all, but I'll agree to continue to disagree...


Yeah I'm not sure what was up with the drops in the last game. It wasn't something he showed in most other games this year. And from my view, he was the only reason Hurts was even a Heisman candidate this year. A lot of those passing yards were CeeDee busting loose and making giant plays after the catch.

jeanpierre 01-11-2020 11:10 AM

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