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jeanpierre 01-22-2020 10:10 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 877942)
Oh boy.

IMO the two most IMPORTANT pieces for 2020 and Brees is GUARD and #2 WR who can win the 50/50 ball. Maybe the bigger (6'2 or greater), stronger, all hands team is what the doctor ordered. Can Emmanuel Sanders be that dude this season? At time Ginn and Tre simply didn't want it. I forget which game it was where Smith took a shot & had his helmet knocked off ... gotta wonder if he's having second thoughts on battling defenders on those 50/50 opportunities? Alligator arms.

Less finesse and more physicality? Vikings really slapped us around up front.
We definitely sign a veteran No. 2 WR; for me, prefer burner on the outside to stretch the field that way Thomas and Cook can split the field with the intermediate stuff, Kamara carving underneath...

Jalen Reagor is the only WR I'd take on Day 2, even Day 1 as what he brings in talent could be utilized even with a limited repertoire as he adapts to the NFL game...

Really, REALLY, liking Denzel Mims' size, catch radius; can see MT opposite a WR-z burner, TE Cook on early downs, and bring along Mims as an WR-X, letting Thomas move inside on 3rd Downs where he's lethal...

jeanpierre 01-22-2020 10:12 AM
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jeanpierre 01-22-2020 10:21 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 877942)
Oh boy.

IMO the two most IMPORTANT pieces for 2020 and Brees is GUARD and #2 WR who can win the 50/50 ball. Maybe the bigger (6'2 or greater), stronger, all hands team is what the doctor ordered. Can Emmanuel Sanders be that dude this season? At time Ginn and Tre simply didn't want it. I forget which game it was where Smith took a shot & had his helmet knocked off ... gotta wonder if he's having second thoughts on battling defenders on those 50/50 opportunities? Alligator arms.

Less finesse and more physicality? Vikings really slapped us around up front.
Yep, Brandon Scherff or Joe Thuney, who incidentally was taken by the Patriots with the 3rd round pick we sent them, with a 4th, so we could take Vonn Bell in 2nd round of the 2016 draft...

I'd even sign both and move Warford, who's gotten soft and slow adjusting in space which is problematic in our blocking scheme; in fact I'd sign one of those two to replace Warford, transition from Easton/Clapp to a draft pick...

And I love to take Ben Bredeson in the second round if we went that route; he has the physicality NOW to bully and beat up on NFL vets like those Vikings, and the speed, head on the swivel to smack-down stunting DEs...

jeanpierre 01-22-2020 10:25 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 877934)
John Simpson OG Clemson

Projected to be a Day 2/3 draft selection.
----------------------------------------------

Johah Jackson OG The Ohio State
1st round

Not many videos showcasing their talents in the trenches.
Simpson is intriguing, but where was this play before? Is he gonna be the type that turns it on a few days before pay day?

K Major 01-22-2020 10:29 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 877945)
[B]We definitely sign a veteran No. 2 WR; for me, prefer burner on the outside to stretch the field that way Thomas and Cook can split the field with the intermediate stuff, Kamara carving underneath...

Jalen Reagor is the only WR I'd take on Day 2, even Day 1 as what he brings in talent could be utilized even with a limited repertoire as he adapts to the NFL game...
He was interviewed here locally and they asked him what is his #1 Priority at the combine was and he stated .. "to run extremely fast". If he somehow clocks around 4.33 or better ... a team could bite on his speed alone Day 1.

In some ways, I see him as a KC CHIEF Mecole Hardman type player.

EXPLOSIVE.

vpheughan 01-22-2020 10:38 AM
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The Saints met with Paxton Lynch too didn't they?

According to NFL Network, Paxton Lynch, who could potentially go in the first round of the 2016 NFL Draft, drew the New Orleans Saints to his pro day.

jeanpierre 01-22-2020 10:54 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 877956)
He was interviewed here locally and they asked him what is his #1 Priority at the combine was and he stated .. "to run extremely fast". If he somehow clocks around 4.33 or better ... a team could bite on his speed alone Day 1.

In some ways, I see him as a KC CHIEF Mecole Hardman type player.

EXPLOSIVE.
And if you remember, Brandin Cooks came out a force, as a rookie, because he had to run a simple route tree, very, very fast...

Guys like Willie Snead The IV was able to run underneath all day and #dodamage...

K Major 01-22-2020 12:36 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 877951)
Yep, Brandon Scherff or Joe Thuney, who incidentally was taken by the Patriots with the 3rd round pick we sent them, with a 4th, so we could take Vonn Bell in 2nd round of the 2016 draft...
All day and every day on Brandon. This guy is an absolute mauler with the mindset to punish the guy in front of him for 4 quarters.

Peat got Brees injured vs the Rams, had a very poor showing vs Atlanta (a lot of sacks) & Vikings wildcard game. 1st rounder in name only.

Andrus can go. Brees needs an above average guard protecting him up the middle.

K Major 01-22-2020 02:30 PM
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2020 NFL Mock Draft: Tom Brady sticks with Patriots and they get him a speedy receiver, Jaguars add defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...s-add-defense/

jeanpierre 01-22-2020 09:32 PM
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Denzel Mims has likely moved up to Day 2 of the draft...

jeanpierre 01-22-2020 10:19 PM
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Day 3 Pick: Can lightning strike twice for us in RBs from Illinois (Pierre Thomas)?

jeanpierre 01-22-2020 10:20 PM
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Y'all, I want this guy in the Black and Gold this coming season...


Make some time to enjoy a great story...

Crusader 01-23-2020 02:23 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878014)
Y'all, I want this guy in the Black and Gold this coming season...


Make some time to enjoy a great story...
I really like his burst.

jeanpierre 01-23-2020 06:16 AM
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For me its his vision. Never will forget a NFL Films Steve Sabol interview of John Riggins talking about the most valuable asset to a RB is his eyes, his vision; his balance and burst is maximized because of great vision...

K Major 01-23-2020 07:04 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878014)
Y'all, I want this guy in the Black and Gold this coming season...


Make some time to enjoy a great story...

Reggie Corbin's Breakout Season | Illinois | Big Ten Football | The Journey - YouTube
I'm sure our fellow B&G poster Rugby Saints will appreciate this kid's journey. Really good Rugby player, outstanding citizen and college player.

Gotta believe every time he pointed to the sky after scoring a TD, mom was pointing right back.

I hope he does well at the next level. Definitely has the mental toughness.

K Major 01-23-2020 07:54 AM
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Henry Ruggs III - WR Alabama

Fast guy (if not faster than J Reagor), burst off the line. He's on the "smallish" size, will need to add more bulk. Good catch radius (perfects the diamond technique) solid hands. A lot of Bama WR;s transition to the next level pretty well.

I hope he ends up in the AFC.

jeanpierre 01-23-2020 08:30 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 878038)
Henry Ruggs III - WR Alabama

Fast guy (if not faster than J Reagor), burst off the line. He's on the "smallish" size, will need to add more bulk. Good catch radius (perfects the diamond technique) solid hands. A lot of Bama WR;s transition to the next level pretty well.

I hope he ends up in the AFC.

Alabama WR Henry Ruggs III 2019 Highlights 🐘 ᴴᴰ - YouTube
Speed talent is there, but does he have the frame to add more muscle?

My issue with Ruggs was that he disappeared in a great many games.

We've got that Houdini in abundance in the WR room not named Michael Thomas...

K Major 01-23-2020 08:31 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878041)

We've got that Houdini in abundance in the WR room not named Michael Thomas...[/B]
+1.

jeanpierre 01-23-2020 12:30 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Oh, for f*cks sake! Hope this is just gamemanship...

Rugby Saint II 01-23-2020 01:19 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 878032)
I'm sure our fellow B&G poster Rugby Saints will appreciate this kid's journey. Really good Rugby player, outstanding citizen and college player.

Gotta believe every time he pointed to the sky after scoring a TD, mom was pointing right back.

I hope he does well at the next level. Definitely has the mental toughness.
K you were so right! I would loved to have been able to coach this kid. He's got all the tools to get the job done. I want him and I want him bad!

jeanpierre 01-23-2020 07:02 PM
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K Major 01-23-2020 07:54 PM
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KJ Hill … "Thee" Ohio State WR ..

Active participant at the Senior Bowl.

jeanpierre 01-24-2020 09:59 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Now the floor is early third round, this guy's stock is :red:

K Major 01-24-2020 10:11 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878139)
Now the floor is early third round, this guy's stock is :red:

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/stat...29276032524290
Almost identical size to Can't Guard Mike ... just slightly faster.

If he has a good Senior Bowl showing ... he'll definitely jump to Day 2.

ChrisXVI 01-24-2020 12:17 PM
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Mel Kiper Mock Draft 1.0

1) Bengals: Burrow
2) Redskins: Young
3) Lions: Jeff Okudah
4) Giants: Isiah Simmons
5) Dolphins: Tua
6) Chargers: Justin Herbert
7) Panthers: Derrick Brown
8) Cardinals: Andrew Thomas
9) Jaguars: Javon Kinlaw
10) Browns: Mekhi Becton
11) Jets: Jedrick Wills
12) Raiders: CeeDee Lamb
13) Colts: Jerry Jeudy
14) Bucs: Tristan Wirfs
15) Broncos: Henry Ruggs III
16) Falcons: AJ Epensa
17) Cowboys: CJ Henderson
18) Dolphins: K’lavon Chaisson
19) Raiders: Kenneth Murray
20) Jaguars: Cole Kmet
21) Eagles: Tee Higgins
22) Bills: Laviska Shenault Jr
23) Patriots: Xavier McKinney
24) Saints: Jordan Love
25) Vikings: Josh Jones
26) Dolphins: D’Andre Swift
27) Seahawks: Zack Baun
28) Ravens: Patrick Queen
29) Titans: Yetur Gross-Matos
30) Packers: KJ Hamler
31) 49ers: Grand Delpit
32) Chiefs: Noah Igbinoghene

vpheughan 01-24-2020 12:24 PM
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Payton drafting a QB? Palko, Canfield, & Grayson........Uh NO!!!

jeanpierre 01-24-2020 09:43 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 878156)
Mel Kiper Mock Draft 1.0

1) Bengals: Burrow
2) Redskins: Young
3) Lions: Jeff Okudah
4) Giants: Isiah Simmons
5) Dolphins: Tua
6) Chargers: Justin Herbert
7) Panthers: Derrick Brown
8) Cardinals: Andrew Thomas
9) Jaguars: Javon Kinlaw
10) Browns: Mekhi Becton
11) Jets: Jedrick Wills
12) Raiders: CeeDee Lamb
13) Colts: Jerry Jeudy
14) Bucs: Tristan Wirfs
15) Broncos: Henry Ruggs III
16) Falcons: AJ Epensa
17) Cowboys: CJ Henderson
18) Dolphins: Klavon Chaisson
19) Raiders: Kenneth Murray
20) Jaguars: Cole Kmet
21) Eagles: Tee Higgins
22) Bills: Laviska Shenault Jr
23) Patriots: Xavier McKinney
24) Saints: Jordan Love
25) Vikings: Josh Jones
26) Dolphins: DAndre Swift
27) Seahawks: Zack Baun
28) Ravens: Patrick Queen
29) Titans: Yetur Gross-Matos
30) Packers: KJ Hamler
31) 49ers: Grand Delpit
32) Chiefs: Noah Igbinoghene
Not no, but F*ck No! The 2020 First Round Pick needs to contribute now...

jeanpierre 01-24-2020 09:44 PM
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jeanpierre 01-25-2020 09:24 AM
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K Major 01-25-2020 11:20 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878206)
Not no, but F*ck No! The 2020 First Round Pick needs to contribute now...
But to put it in proper perspective, Pat Mahommes virtually sat out all of his rookie (pick #10 of the 1st rd) season. Fast forward 2 years later, Pat has them in the Super Bowl.

if he's your guy, he's your guy.

jeanpierre 01-25-2020 11:57 AM
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But as soon as I post this the football gods and Loki will pull a Gardner Minshew on me, but what rookie QB, other than Joe Burreaux, is taking a team the distance?

K Major 01-25-2020 12:19 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878255)
But as soon as I post this the football guys and Loki will pull a Gardner Minshew on me, but what rookie QB, other than Joe Burreaux, is taking a team the distance?
The great Joe B could fizzle out (and I hope I'm dead wrong) at the next level ... especially considering the franchise that is claiming to take him at 1.

Just a crap shoot taking QB's early in the draft.

AsylumGuido 01-25-2020 12:30 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 878257)
The great Joe B could fizzle out (and I hope I'm dead wrong) at the next level ... especially considering the franchise that is claiming to take him at 1.

Just a crap shoot taking QB's early in the draft.
Just look at the greatest "can't miss" QB of the past generation, Andrew Luck. How many Super Bowls did he make it to in his career? Zero.

K Major 01-25-2020 12:40 PM
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Terrell Lewis - Edge Rusher - Alabama

Davenport has yet to show that he can stay healthy. Saints will need to add another young, quality edge rusher against playoff caliber teams.
Terrell has explosion and moves to set the edge. A formidable, healthy rotation is key.

K Major 01-25-2020 12:57 PM
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KJ Hamler - Penn State WR

Speedy WR who ended up his season with 56 receptions/1k. He knows how to separate and runs good routes. Not the most physical guy but in space he's electric. Day 2, 3 guy for the Saints?

jeanpierre 01-25-2020 01:47 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 878261)
Just look at the greatest "can't miss" QB of the past generation, Andrew Luck. How many Super Bowls did he make it to in his career? Zero.
C'mon that's weak, Luck was the goods. Fell victim to a meddlesome, drunk owner in Irsay who absolutely failed to put any resemblance of an offensive line around him, comparable to Archie Manning story...

Luck absolutely had some terrific games, as I watched him knock off several Superbowl Contenders leading lesser teams each year like the Steelers and Ravens in the playoffs...

If it were just SuperBowls, using the NFL100 criterion, then Drew Brees should have been left off the list...

jeanpierre 01-25-2020 01:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 878265)
KJ Hamler - Penn State WR

Speedy WR who ended up his season with 56 receptions/1k. He knows how to separate and runs good routes. Not the most physical guy but in space he's electric. Day 2, 3 guy for the Saints?

Fastest WR in the Big Ten Ÿ” || Penn State WR KJ Hamler 2019 Midseason Highlights ᴴᴰ - YouTube
Can't make that argument enough that the next WR we acquire to be a starter opposite @CantGuardMike, needs to be a speedster, revs up the heart rate of DBs just taking the field as Brandin Cooks had...

jeanpierre 01-25-2020 01:58 PM
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Tell me who Collin Johnson looks like catching this pass? Set the video link to start on the catch I'm referring, restart, watch the whole thing after...

K Major 01-25-2020 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878269)
https://twitter.com/Steveospeak/stat...57383348609025

Tell me who Collin Johnson looks like catching this pass? Set the video link to start on the catch I'm referring, restart, watch the whole thing after...

https://youtu.be/kGzyXVPnDhw?t=112
Because of his size, Plexico Burress perhaps?

I don't know JP but those UT short horn WR's scare me. They just don't create enough separation & we already have one (Jordan H) on the roster.

halloween 65 01-25-2020 05:25 PM
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If we do go after another WR I'm honestly hoping he is more of a Colston type.


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