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ChrisXVI 02-25-2020 04:32 PM
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So we all know by now that the Saints will never shy away from trading future 1st or 2nd round picks to go get their guy. Is their a guy you would trade next year’s 1st rounder to go get?

For the record, I know it’s a terrible idea to trade future 1st’s for anything other than a QB, but the Saints don’t care.

I’m thinking if LB Isaiah Simmons fell to 10 or lower we could make a move a la the Steelers last year for Devin Bush. I’d be ok with that.

ChrisXVI 02-25-2020 04:52 PM
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This would be awesome! I’d be pretty happy.

MarchingOn 02-25-2020 07:08 PM
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Yes, think multiple WR draft picks. No, not in the 1st and maybe not in the 4th simply because it's a deep WR class.

Unfortunately, we did use #1 pick on a WR in the last deep class. Would've helped to get 2 as we see now.

K Major 02-25-2020 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 880624)
https://twitter.com/brenden_ertle/st...35778476597248

This would be awesome! I’d be pretty happy.
It would be. A legit talent alongside Michael Thomas is necessary and welcomed in New Orleans.

The WR position has been ignored far too long.

jeanpierre 02-26-2020 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880639)
It would be. A legit talent alongside Michael Thomas is necessary and welcomed in New Orleans.

The WR position has been ignored far too long.
To be fair, Payton & Co hasn't ignored the WR position - drafting Michael Thomas, Tre'Quan Smith; signing Ted Ginn and Cameron Meredith...

And what's happened is that when we've hit, we really hit big and when we missed, we really missed and it's manifested in quick playoff exits...

The problem is an organizational problem of assessment and acquisition where one man has too much weight in personnel decisions...

First, Saints Director of ProScouting Terry Fontenot and GM Mickey Loomis should geaux if either gave favorable reports on Ginn and Meredith; if Payton forced the moves, then why even have guys in token positions?

Second, as Chris aptly pointed out earlier, we should only be trading future ones for a franchise QB, which we've had already. Moving up as many times as we've had has limited draft opportunities for WRs...

Third, in the four moves mentioned for WRs, we've only hit on one, so obviously the talent evaluation process is still very flawed in the Payton Front Office...

jeanpierre 02-26-2020 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 880622)
I’m really starting to hate Burrow.
Nothing better than self-deprecating humour!

K Major 02-26-2020 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 880646)
To be fair, Payton & Co hasn't ignored the WR position - drafting Michael Thomas, Tre'Quan Smith; signing Ted Ginn and Cameron Meredith...
Since Michael Thomas came aboard in 16, we've drafted one (Tre Smith) WR right? Was not counting the Free Agent guys. Mike needs a "Robin" like the B Cooks days.

I look at the production of Dallas Michael Gallup (taken a few picks above Tre') & often wonder if he was ever on our draft board. He's killing it. At this point, anything we get from Tre is Lagniappe. Minimal improvement 3 years in. Keep in mind Taysom was more productive at the position for 2019 :rolleyes:.

We have a lot of un drafted (Hogan, Humphrey, Carr, Butler) guys that Brees can't turn into bona fide play makers anymore.

I for one will be elated if we go WR early in the draft. More weapons, more options, more problems for opposing defenses.

jeanpierre 02-26-2020 08:47 AM
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jeanpierre 02-26-2020 08:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880660)
Since Michael Thomas came aboard in 16, we've drafted one (Tre Smith) WR right? Was not counting the Free Agent guys. Mike needs a "Robin" like the B Cooks days.

I look at the production of Dallas Michael Gallup (taken a few picks above Tre') & often wonder if he was ever on our draft board. He's killing it. At this point, anything we get from Tre is Lagniappe. Minimal improvement 3 years in. Keep in mind Taysom was more productive at the position for 2019 :rolleyes:.

We have a lot of un drafted (Hogan, Humphrey, Carr, Butler) guys that Brees can't turn into bona fide play makers anymore.

I for one will be elated if we go WR early in the draft. More weapons, more options, more problems for opposing defenses.
Major, you know I agree we need someone opposite MT; Jared Cook was suppose to be that guy, but disappeared quite a bit; and the three other options have all busted...

Let me repeat my point - there were attempts to get that other guy, it's just the decision, process was wrong AND we didn't have the draft picks to make another (too much trading up)...

K Major 02-26-2020 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 880666)

Let me repeat my point - there were attempts to get that other guy, it's just the decision, process was wrong AND we didn't have the draft picks to make another (too much trading up)...[/B]
Sean Payton can't help himself at times perhaps.

jeanpierre 02-26-2020 09:04 AM
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jeanpierre 02-26-2020 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880668)
Sean Payton can't help himself at times perhaps.
And that's why I've been arguing that we need a stronger GM to check him from his personnel gaffes...

If we had a Carmen Policy-type GM, Sean Payton and the Saints would have won multiple SuperBowls with Drew Brees by now...

Payton calling all the shots has been a total clusterf*ck on the personnel end of the Saints...

But we can Thank Mike Ditka for the Ricky Williams trade as the bar for draft gaffes has been set pretty low...

Didn't think anyone would outdo Jim Haslett's move up with two first round picks for Jon Sullivan...

But Payton is making up for it on sheer volume; Payton clearly has a complex that he feels the need to outsmart everyone, even on draft day, including himself...

jeanpierre 02-26-2020 09:12 AM
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Oh, wow... :shock:

K Major 02-26-2020 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 880670)
But Payton is making up for it on sheer volume; Payton clearly has a complex that he feels the need to outsmart everyone, even on draft day, including himself...
^^ This. See Vikings wildcard game 2019.

jeanpierre 02-26-2020 10:11 AM
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jeanpierre 02-26-2020 10:28 AM
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jeanpierre 02-26-2020 10:29 AM
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K Major 02-26-2020 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 880680)
I have a feeling Jalen will run a 4.30 40 .. game over, he's gone early.

The fine TCU coaches in Ft. Worth claimed that they have timed him @ 4.29 last season.

ChrisXVI 02-26-2020 10:38 AM
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LB Akeem Davis-Gaither... I get Fred Warner vibes looking at his tape. Lining up against slot receivers and has a lot of range.

K Major 02-26-2020 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 880685)
LB Akeem Davis-Gaither... I get Fred Warner vibes looking at his tape. Lining up against slot receivers and has a lot of range.
Dawg. Showed well at the Senior bowl.

All I know is some scouts slept on "small school" Darius Leonard and he's already a beast for the Colts.

I like Davis- Gaither.

jeanpierre 02-26-2020 10:54 AM
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jeanpierre 02-26-2020 11:44 AM
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jeanpierre 02-26-2020 12:19 PM
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Javon Kinlaw is more impressive than Chase Young to me because he can play multiple positions on the defensive line in odd or even fronts...


rezburna 02-26-2020 02:19 PM
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Would anybody be willing to trade up for the #1 pick and select Joe Burrow?

AsylumGuido 02-26-2020 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 880707)
Would anybody be willing to trade up for the #1 pick and select Joe Burrow?
It would take every pick the next few years to be able to move up that high and there is no guarantee that Burrow will be successful in the NFL.

K Major 02-26-2020 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 880707)
Would anybody be willing to trade up for the #1 pick and select Joe Burrow[/U]?
IMO sacrificing the future for a unproven QB would be crazy.

I just don't see the Saints or contending teams trade away so many picks to leap frog to #1. Doing that (trade up) would set the franchise back years.

But then again, Sean Payton is our HC. Anything is possible.

I simply can't fathom how we'd pull that off. Love J Burrow's swag, competitive spirit but I'd be quite upset if we gave up the farm to get him.

Drafting QB's (Blake Dak Bortles, Marriota, Jameis Winston) high & hoping they transition well to the NFL is super risky.

K Major 02-27-2020 10:43 AM
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Kristian Fulton - CB LSU

He can cover ... repeat he's good in press coverage although he's not a tackler but neither was Deion.

Has a short memory (if he gets beat on a play, next snap he recovers) & is fluid in hip movement like Lattimore was coming out of college. I really like his footwork too. He's a annoying, tenacious defender. Local kid from Arch Bishop Rummel - NO.

Many consider LSU as DBU for good reason. Late rd Day 1 selection, but gone on Day 2 for sure. Hopefully our scouts are taking a really good look at Kristian.

Potential RED FLAGS ... was suspended for the entire 2017 season (NCAA drug tampering).

jeanpierre 02-27-2020 11:39 AM
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And a great attitude to boot...

ChrisXVI 02-27-2020 01:17 PM
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That’s disappointing. Really wanted to see his workout.

turbo_dog 02-27-2020 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 880707)
Would anybody be willing to trade up for the #1 pick and select Joe Burrow?
Nope. We don't have a great track record of trading up in the first round and grabbing a valuable draft pick.

ChrisXVI 02-27-2020 03:34 PM
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ChrisXVI 02-27-2020 05:41 PM
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Damn! WR Justin Jefferson with the unofficial 4.44 forty! That’s huge for him.

I think I’m 100% sold that he’s the guy.

K Major 02-27-2020 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 880765)
Damn! WR Justin Jefferson with the unofficial 4.44 forty! That’s huge for him.

I think I’m 100% sold that he’s the guy.
If SP believes that is his guy … he'd better do something.

Jefferson won't be there @ 24 with that time. His stock just went up even more.

ChrisXVI 02-27-2020 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 880767)
If SP believes that is his guy … he'd better do something.

Jefferson won't be there @ 24 with that time. His stock just went up even more.
You’re right about that. We need immediate contribution from any WR’s we bring in and I think Jefferson would be highly productive with us.

rezburna 02-27-2020 06:51 PM
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Jalen Hurts intrigues me.

ChrisXVI 02-27-2020 08:35 PM
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Well one thing I never saw coming tonight was Justin Jefferson beating Jalen Reagor in the 40.

ChrisXVI 02-27-2020 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 880769)
Jalen Hurts intrigues me.

There have been reports that Payton wants a more mobile QB next.

rezburna 02-27-2020 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 880776)
https://twitter.com/nfl/status/1233127161843744768

There have been reports that Payton wants a more mobile QB next.
Aye....I really really like that kid. That was impressive.

jeanpierre 02-28-2020 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 880769)
Jalen Hurts intrigues me.

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 880776)
There have been reports that Payton wants a more mobile QB next.
Well, Jalen Hurts struggled mightedly vs an NFL-like defense (LSU Semi game) so getting it done at game-speed still has to be proven...

But Hurts can definitely check the box as an intelligent quarterback, having a grasp of what a play is trying to accomplish...

jeanpierre 02-28-2020 12:15 AM
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