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jeanpierre 01-25-2020 07:14 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 878281)
Because of his size, Plexico Burress perhaps?

I don't know JP but those UT short horn WR's scare me. They just don't create enough separation & we already have one (Jordan H) on the roster.
Like the UT WRs for Round 5 picks, but Collins was really impressing a lot of people at the Senior Bowl; Duvernay was suppose to be the lead dog...

Was curious on that one play where Collins caught the over the shoulder ball who it looked like to y'all...

In truth, Collins would be a work in progress; my hope was Mims would be there in R4 for us, his grade Pre-Senior Bowl, but he's improved his stock...

jeanpierre 01-25-2020 07:14 PM
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Cruize 01-25-2020 07:18 PM
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- Has to be a legit speed guy at WR.
- OG needs to be a mauler. A nasty streak.
- DT needs to be a legit pass rusher. Not a NT or tweener.
- Need both cover and thumper at LB.
- A TE who can excel at blocking or receiving. Both is the impossible dream.
- If a legit RB falls, as they have been lately, it is a need.

jeanpierre 01-25-2020 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 878289)
If we do go after another WR I'm honestly hoping he is more of a Colston type.
We have that player, with some juice, in M. Thomas; we don't have a WR-Z who runs consistent routes, quick acceleration, turbo-boost option, reliable handling, and a go get ball GPS - what we've had is Ted Ginn...

jeanpierre 01-25-2020 07:52 PM
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halloween 65 01-25-2020 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878297)
We have that player, with some juice, in M. Thomas; we don't have a WR-Z who runs consistent routes, quick acceleration, turbo-boost option, reliable handling, and a go get ball GPS - what we've had is Ted Ginn...
I agree Thomas is alot like Colston but put 2 of them on the field and it would command double teaming one leaving one in single coverage. Would be extreamly hard to cover, not to mention the TE or swing back being thrown to at will. Defensive nightmares all over the field. Also agree about Ginn but not so sure we have to have a burner to have great success.

jeanpierre 01-26-2020 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 878304)
I agree Thomas is alot like Colston but put 2 of them on the field and it would command double teaming one leaving one in single coverage. Would be extreamly hard to cover, not to mention the TE or swing back being thrown to at will. Defensive nightmares all over the field. Also agree about Ginn but not so sure we have to have a burner to have great success.
That's great, but we've got a big receiver already on the roster in Jared Cook who can split the field with Michael Thomas...

What we don't have is a Brandin Cooks/Devery Henderson/Robert Meachem to s-t-r-e-t-c-h the field, Ginn was overpaid for three seasons to do it...

Make Brees' passing target buckets bigger, and, as an added plus, you afford even more YAC opportunities...

We've got to stretch the field...

jeanpierre 01-26-2020 11:59 PM
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WalterFootball.com: 2020 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Kenneth Murray

jeanpierre 01-27-2020 12:00 AM
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WalterFootball.com: 2020 NFL Draft Player Preview: Xavier McKinney

jeanpierre 01-27-2020 12:03 AM
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WalterFootball.com: 2020 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Kristian Fulton

jeanpierre 01-27-2020 12:05 AM
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WalterFootball.com: 2020 NFL Draft Player Preview: Jalen Reagor

K Major 01-27-2020 07:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878415)
Medical issues? Didn't realize that. I do remember watching Kenneth getting injured chasing Joe Burrow back in December ..

Does that mean this stud will fall to us?

K Major 01-27-2020 07:41 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878419)
You simply cannot ignore the one thing Jalen has ... SPEED.

When you read his scout reports, the one word that stands out is THREAT. On any given play he's a threat. A weapon ... something the Saints were short of opposite MT & Cook.

The one knock that concerns me is his route tree ability. At TCU, you really didn't see it very often. Can he be coached up at the next level? Sure you can.

Jalen reminds me a lot of Mecole Hardman KC Chiefs. IMO that would be a very good Saints pick :bng:.

K Major 01-27-2020 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878334)
That's great, but we've got a big receiver already on the roster in Jared Cook who can split the field with Michael Thomas...

What we don't have is a Brandin Cooks/Devery Henderson/Robert Meachem to s-t-r-e-t-c-h the field, Ginn was overpaid for three seasons to do it...

Make Brees' passing target buckets bigger, and, as an added plus, you afford even more YAC opportunities...

We've got to stretch the field...
I was looking at that 2009 SB Roster at WR ...

Bobby Meach, Dev, Shockey, Lance Moore ...

No wonder we won it all. Weapons everywhere, could get open and guys who had great chemistry together.

MThomas needs help. Hopefully it happens (I would prefer we get one in both) via draft and/or Free Agency.

halloween 65 01-27-2020 08:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 878432)
I was looking at that 2009 SB Roster at WR ...

Bobby Meach, Dev, Shockey, Lance Moore ...

No wonder we won it all. Weapons everywhere, could get open and guys who had great chemistry together.

MThomas needs help. Hopefully it happens (I would prefer we get one in both) via draft and/or Free Agency.
One thing missing now we had then, Brees had the arm strenghth and zip to get it there.

Budsdrinker 01-27-2020 08:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 878436)
One thing missing now we had then, Brees had the arm strenghth and zip to get it there.
No, we had an O-Line that allowed Bress to step up in the pocket to make that throw. It's hard to make that throw backing up.

K Major 01-27-2020 08:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 878436)
One thing missing now we had then, Brees had the arm strenghth and zip to get it there.
True.

Here's my counter... get stronger up the middle (GUARD), use more TE sets and improve the WR core with route runners --- (see Jimmy G NFCCG/only 9 pass attempts). We only have one.

The lack of a stout interior line really hurt us in the wildcard game.

A true road grader in the middle changes things.

halloween 65 01-27-2020 09:43 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 878439)
True.

Here's my counter... get stronger up the middle (GUARD), use more TE sets and improve the WR core with route runners --- (see Jimmy G NFCCG/only 9 pass attempts). We only have one.

The lack of a stout interior line really hurt us in the wildcard game.

A true road grader in the middle changes things.
I do agree. We need a road grader at G, we need another TE to compliment Cook on 2 TE sets and we need another WR. Add a RB that is a true power back it takes everything off Brees having to go deep. SF had great push up front moving the ball at will against the Slackers, no need to throw. Payton did well with a 3 headed monster at one time but for the life in me want keep feeding a hot hand rb for crap. Brees arm just want get it ALL season like it use to or run so if Brees is behind C Paytons going HAVE to adjust to his weaknesses or it's daja vu. G, TE, and a powerback goes a long way. Ginn does needs to go, but even with a speedster who throws them the ball when they get deep? D's already see this and can play a shorter field. We just need to build a nasty intermediate game and shore a few spots up on the D if it's me.

K Major 01-27-2020 10:00 AM
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Quartney Davis - Texas A&M WR

Someone to keep an eye on. Probably means nothing but the Saints did take the time to visit with him at the Senior Bowl.
FWIW, he's played on the OUTSIDE and in the slot.

Could be a late round "sleeper" to keep an eye on.


AsylumGuido 01-27-2020 10:17 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 878442)
I do agree. We need a road grader at G, we need another TE to compliment Cook on 2 TE sets and we need another WR. Add a RB that is a true power back it takes everything off Brees having to go deep. SF had great push up front moving the ball at will against the Slackers, no need to throw. Payton did well with a 3 headed monster at one time but for the life in me want keep feeding a hot hand rb for crap. Brees arm just want get it ALL season like it use to or run so if Brees is behind C Paytons going HAVE to adjust to his weaknesses or it's daja vu. G, TE, and a powerback goes a long way. Ginn does needs to go, but even with a speedster who throws them the ball when they get deep? D's already see this and can play a shorter field. We just need to build a nasty intermediate game and shore a few spots up on the D if it's me.
Brees did make a nice deep pass in the Pro Bowl game for a long TD.

vpheughan 01-27-2020 10:39 AM
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Just a reminder, there can be lot's of rocks in the Senior Bowl diamond mine.

2006 QB'S

D.J. Shockley
Darrell Hackney
Brodie Croyle
Mr. Personality Jay Cutler
Clipboard Jesus Charlie Whitehurst
Michael Robinson

A WR the Saints owe part of the Lombardi to. Hank Baskett

K Major 01-27-2020 10:39 AM
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Van Jefferson - WR FLORIDA

Another good option opposite MT. Route running A+. Starting at 1:45 ... sick move. And also @ 3:07 against LSU. The ability to create space & catch in tight windows. Key word for me... ROUTE RUNNING.


jeanpierre 01-27-2020 06:27 PM
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Ya'll know Van Jefferson will be a 24yo rookie WR?

Very mature, disciplined route runner, but, again he'll be 24yo...

VJ is not very stout, slight of frame, so he's not gonna add mass...

He'd be a sweet pickup in the fifth to play in the slot...

With Mims now carrying a Day 2 grade, a second WO pick?

jeanpierre 01-28-2020 06:41 AM
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K Major 01-28-2020 07:33 AM
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Chase Claypool - WR Notre Dame

Big receiver & nice catch radius. Not a "fast" guy but shifty. He could drop to Day 3 or even 4.
Would be a nice compliment to MThomas.

SmashMouth 01-28-2020 07:40 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 878439)
True.

Here's my counter... get stronger up the middle (GUARD), use more TE sets and improve the WR core with route runners --- (see Jimmy G NFCCG/only 9 pass attempts). We only have one.

The lack of a stout interior line really hurt us in the wildcard game.

A true road grader in the middle changes things.
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 878442)
I do agree. We need a road grader at G, we need another TE to compliment Cook on 2 TE sets and we need another WR. Add a RB that is a true power back it takes everything off Brees having to go deep. SF had great push up front moving the ball at will against the Slackers, no need to throw. Payton did well with a 3 headed monster at one time but for the life in me want keep feeding a hot hand rb for crap. Brees arm just want get it ALL season like it use to or run so if Brees is behind C Paytons going HAVE to adjust to his weaknesses or it's daja vu. G, TE, and a powerback goes a long way. Ginn does needs to go, but even with a speedster who throws them the ball when they get deep? D's already see this and can play a shorter field. We just need to build a nasty intermediate game and shore a few spots up on the D if it's me.
Peat sends his regards on the way out the door to another team. He was last seen stopping by Popeyes for a spicy Chicken Sammich.

jeanpierre 01-29-2020 05:34 PM
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jeanpierre 01-29-2020 07:56 PM
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Bartch trending up...

jeanpierre 01-29-2020 08:08 PM
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K Major 01-31-2020 08:04 AM
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Brandon Aiyuk - WR Arizona State.

Best trait ... yards after the catch.
Worst trait ... contested catches.

NFL comparison - CORDARELLE PATTERSON


neugey 01-31-2020 09:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878269)
https://twitter.com/Steveospeak/stat...57383348609025

Tell me who Collin Johnson looks like catching this pass? Set the video link to start on the catch I'm referring, restart, watch the whole thing after...

https://youtu.be/kGzyXVPnDhw?t=112

Collin is certainly a playmaker, but his injury situation makes me nervous. He almost literally missed every other game this last season. He is also strictly an outside receiver; I don't think I ever remember seeing him lineup in the slot at all at UT.

jeanpierre 02-01-2020 08:25 AM
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jeanpierre 02-02-2020 12:24 PM
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Rugby Saint II 02-03-2020 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 878879)
Collin is certainly a playmaker, but his injury situation makes me nervous. He almost literally missed every other game this last season. He is also strictly an outside receiver; I don't think I ever remember seeing him lineup in the slot at all at UT.
Drafting those injured players have been our MO lately and it hasn't really worked out well for us. We need to go with proven production and stop reaching and hoping that a player will get better in the pros. Taysom Hill is totally different.

K Major 02-03-2020 08:48 PM
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This was an interesting "mock" for the Saints @ #24.

One thinks we'll pick a WR, the other a QB and the last a CB.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft/

jeanpierre 02-03-2020 10:23 PM
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If Brees plays this season, we should not spend a Day 1 or Day 2 pick on a quarterback when we need a LG, WRz, TE, CB2, RG, LT2...

K Major 02-04-2020 07:10 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 879166)
If Brees plays this season, we should not spend a Day 1 or Day 2 pick on a quarterback when we need a LG, WRz, TE, CB2, RG, LT2...
If for whatever reason the best player on your board @ #24 is a QB, you don't think Sean P & co aren't taking him?

Waiting in round 3, 4 ... meh. Not much in this 2020 QB class. It's time to draft a QB in the earlier rounds and develop him.

K Major 02-04-2020 10:55 AM
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Josh Uche - DE

Really helped his stock by having a sound Senior bowl.

Meanwhile Davenport has yet to prove that he can stay healthy. We need more pass rushers & guys with the ability to set the edge.

jeanpierre 02-04-2020 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 879197)
Josh Uche - DE

Really helped his stock by having a sound Senior bowl.

Meanwhile Davenport has yet to prove that he can stay healthy. We need more pass rushers & guys with the ability to set the edge.
Unfortunately a good point Major raises in that Davenport (and Rankins) have not shown to be reliably available with their respective health concerns...

While Hendrickson did advance in development despite an injury on a horrendous underpenalized clothesline to the neck, TRex hasn't shown to be an every-down defensive end...

But Josh Uche would only be 6' 1" defensive end which is very problematic while conversely, Davenport, when somewhat healthy, showed that length on the weakside was particularly advantageous...

jeanpierre 02-04-2020 11:26 AM
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