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K Major 02-12-2020 09:30 AM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Saw a Yahoo "mock" draft ...

Have us taking QB - Jordan Love @ # 24.

Side note - he's only 21 years of age. Worth the development?

ChrisXVI 02-12-2020 06:08 PM
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Some great work in this thread fellas! I was telling JP yesterday that after our latest playoff embarrassment I had to take a little break from Saints football so I haven’t been as active as I usually would be. I’m a little behind on draft prospects but with the Combine on the horizon I’m starting to watch more tape. Lots of good stuff to watch in this thread!

K Major 02-12-2020 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 879842)
Some great work in this thread fellas! I was telling JP yesterday that after our latest playoff embarrassment I had to take a little break from Saints football so I haven’t been as active as I usually would be. I’m a little behind on draft prospects but with the Combine on the horizon I’m starting to watch more tape. Lots of good stuff to watch in this thread!
Totally understandable and it's always good to hear from you here XVI.

ChrisXVI 02-12-2020 08:38 PM
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One guy that has really caught my eye is TCU CB Jeff Gladney. Specifically, it’s his physicality and willingness in run support that jump out at me. There’s shades of Jaire Alexander to Gladney.

In all honesty, I’m scared of giving Marshon Lattimore a big contract extension. He’s developed a reputation for being lazy and that’s on his rookie deal. The big payday hasn’t even come yet. Draft a guy we can develop for a year and then trade Latt possibly for a 1st round pick next year.

jeanpierre 02-12-2020 10:46 PM
Re: 2020 NFL Draft: Saints Prospects
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 879807)
Saw a Yahoo "mock" draft ...

Have us taking QB - Jordan Love @ # 24.

Side note - he's only 21 years of age. Worth the development?
Hot - Cold in Mobile; best comparison I read was Colin Kaepernick (play style, not woke-politics); a .500 QB as he will you games and he will lose games for you...

jeanpierre 02-12-2020 10:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 879846)
One guy that has really caught my eye is TCU CB Jeff Gladney. Specifically, it’s his physicality and willingness in run support that jump out at me. There’s shades of Jaire Alexander to Gladney.

In all honesty, I’m scared of giving Marshon Lattimore a big contract extension. He’s developed a reputation for being lazy and that’s on his rookie deal. The big payday hasn’t even come yet. Draft a guy we can develop for a year and then trade Latt possibly for a 1st round pick next year.
One concern about Gladney was he ducked out of Mobile (Senior Bowl) citing a sore knee; the likely consensus was that he might not have wanted to risk his draft stock floor as he played with the sore knee all season...

So how he performs at the UnderRoos Olympics will tilt whether he moves into the back of the first round or slides to the end of the second round; he's shown some speed and quicks, but his workout will be telling...

For my money, I like Miss St. Cameron Dantzler more as he faced better competition in the SEC et al top teams and performed as well on some less than ideal talented Miss St teams...

dizzle88 02-13-2020 05:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 879846)
One guy that has really caught my eye is TCU CB Jeff Gladney. Specifically, it’s his physicality and willingness in run support that jump out at me. There’s shades of Jaire Alexander to Gladney.

In all honesty, I’m scared of giving Marshon Lattimore a big contract extension. He’s developed a reputation for being lazy and that’s on his rookie deal. The big payday hasn’t even come yet. Draft a guy we can develop for a year and then trade Latt possibly for a 1st round pick next year.
Plus in years past, he can play great all game but he always ends up allowing a deep pass near the end of the game. If you want to be paid as a top corner, you have to play like it until the game ends.

Theilen was hobbled all week and absolutely destroyed Lattimore on Out Routes time and time again

ChrisXVI 02-13-2020 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 879849)
One concern about Gladney was he ducked out of Mobile (Senior Bowl) citing a sore knee; the likely consensus was that he might not have wanted to risk his draft stock floor as he played with the sore knee all season...

So how he performs at the UnderRoos Olympics will tilt whether he moves into the back of the first round or slides to the end of the second round; he's shown some speed and quicks, but his workout will be telling...

For my money, I like Miss St. Cameron Dantzler more as he faced better competition in the SEC et al top teams and performed as well on some less than ideal talented Miss St teams...
Yep I’m planning on looking at Dantzler a little bit next. He’s seeing a big surge lately in popularity. I was watching a little bit of C.J. Henderson before Gladney and I’m not as crazy about the lack of physicality with Henderson.

K Major 02-13-2020 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 879860)
Yep I’m planning on looking at Dantzler a little bit next. He’s seeing a big surge lately in popularity. I was watching a little bit of C.J. Henderson before Gladney and I’m not as crazy about the lack of physicality with Henderson.
That would be bad news facing all the big WR's in the NFC south ...

The consistent knock by scouts on CJ is his inability to "wrap up" on tackles.

If you can't do the basics of 101 tackling ... pass.

K Major 02-13-2020 08:06 AM
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Cam Akers - RB Florida State

Put up nice numbers on a under whelming O line & can catch the football out of the back field. With good coaching & a stout offensive line, he could take the next step. Possible mid round steal.

He's a Mississippi born and raised kid. Not sure how Ole Miss/Miss State/LSU passed on him.

K Major 02-13-2020 08:21 AM
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Patrick Queen - LB LSU

If the Saints take a LB early, I'd love to have PQ. He's a sideline to sideline assassin, has closing speed & is a good athlete (sounds like Stephone Anthony).

Kind of hard to ignore the fact that he consistently showed up in big games (Bama, FL & Clemson) though.

rezburna 02-13-2020 11:27 AM
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Cam Akers.

jeanpierre 02-13-2020 04:36 PM
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K Major 02-14-2020 07:34 AM
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AJ Epenesa - Iowa DE

Some scouts are claiming he's the best 5 tech coming out of the draft.
He finished off his collegiate career in the Holiday Bowl vs USC ... 2.5 SACKS & forced fumble.

Saw some tape of him vs Penn State ... he has one hell of a bull rush.

jeanpierre 02-14-2020 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 879896)
AJ Epenesa - Iowa DE

Some scouts are claiming he's the best 5 tech coming out of the draft.
He finished off his collegiate career in the Holiday Bowl vs USC ... 2.5 SACKS & forced fumble.

Saw some tape of him vs Penn State ... he has one hell of a bull rush.

Iowa DE AJ Epenesa Highlights á´´á´° - YouTube
Lions, G'nats, Panthers, Dolphins - he's be tough to pass on if he fell to 24 as Cam Jordan had...

jeanpierre 02-14-2020 09:33 AM
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ChrisXVI 02-14-2020 09:48 AM
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Wisconsin LB Zack Baun... Now this guy has my attention. He was a 3-4 OLB but showed tremendous agility and football IQ dropping back and playing in space. Some are saying he could thrive as a Lorenzo Alexander type who lines up as a 4-3 Sam LB who can also rush the passer in sub-packages.

neugey 02-14-2020 12:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 879896)
AJ Epenesa - Iowa DE

Some scouts are claiming he's the best 5 tech coming out of the draft.
He finished off his collegiate career in the Holiday Bowl vs USC ... 2.5 SACKS & forced fumble.

Saw some tape of him vs Penn State ... he has one hell of a bull rush.

Iowa DE AJ Epenesa Highlights á´´á´° - YouTube

I live in Big 10 country and saw quite a bit of some of the Iowa games this year. He looked legit, draft him if he falls. DE is a rotational position so even with Jordan and Davenport on the roster I wouldn't hesitate.

K Major 02-14-2020 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 879934)
I live in Big 10 country and saw quite a bit of some of the Iowa games this year. He looked legit, draft him if he falls. DE is a rotational position so even with Jordan and Davenport on the roster I wouldn't hesitate.
Completely agree.

AsylumGuido 02-14-2020 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 879934)
I live in Big 10 country and saw quite a bit of some of the Iowa games this year. He looked legit, draft him if he falls. DE is a rotational position so even with Jordan and Davenport on the roster I wouldn't hesitate.
Not to mention with the NASCAR packages you often see three (or more) true DE's on the field at the same time.

AsylumGuido 02-14-2020 02:10 PM
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In my opinion the lack of pressure after both Davenport and Rankins went down contributed more to the big plays down field than any breakdowns in the secondary. Even the best of DB's have a problem staying with a good receiver 30-40 yards down field if the QB has time to make the throw. Having more quality depth all across the defensive line is needed.

jeanpierre 02-14-2020 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 879907)
Wisconsin LB Zack Baun... Now this guy has my attention. He was a 3-4 OLB but showed tremendous agility and football IQ dropping back and playing in space. Some are saying he could thrive as a Lorenzo Alexander type who lines up as a 4-3 Sam LB who can also rush the passer in sub-packages.
Very much like Vince Biegel...

jeanpierre 02-14-2020 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 879939)
In my opinion the lack of pressure after both Davenport and Rankins went down contributed more to the big plays down field than any breakdowns in the secondary. Even the best of DB's have a problem staying with a good receiver 30-40 yards down field if the QB has time to make the throw. Having more quality depth all across the defensive line is needed.
Malcolm Brown really disappeared down the stretch last season - in training camp he was wowing all the local media columnists...

ChrisXVI 02-14-2020 02:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 879939)
In my opinion the lack of pressure after both Davenport and Rankins went down contributed more to the big plays down field than any breakdowns in the secondary. Even the best of DB's have a problem staying with a good receiver 30-40 yards down field if the QB has time to make the throw. Having more quality depth all across the defensive line is needed.
Yes sir, and with Sheldon Rankins going into the last year of his deal I think D-Line depth is a sneaky need. This is a terrible draft class for edge rushers unfortunately.

jeanpierre 02-14-2020 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 879945)
Yes sir, and with Sheldon Rankins going into the last year of his deal I think D-Line depth is a sneaky need. This is a terrible draft class for edge rushers unfortunately.
Well, in the overall perspective, the two previous years were rather unusual in the dearth of talent - they were truly special years for the position...

We unnecessarily move up in a deep DE draft for Davenport, a fine talent, but there's similar production and more GPs by players taken later in that draft...

As bad as the need for a WRz threat downfield to open the field up for Michael Thomas and Jared Cook, we don't need to move up in round 1 for a WR...

ChrisXVI 02-14-2020 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 879940)
Very much like Vince Biegel...
That’s true. We don’t seem to have the ability to utilize those hybrid front seven players.

K Major 02-14-2020 03:00 PM
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Netane Muti - OG Fresno State

Not a sexy draft pick but we really need to improve in the trenches.

The Good : He's nasty, an animal, naturally powerful & moved D lineman against their will vs Bama as a freshman. Some have compared him to Quenton Nelson ... that's ridiculously high praise.

The Bad: He's injury prone, not durable, could miss a lot of games.
Did I mention he's injury prone? ....

K Major 02-14-2020 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 879946)

As bad as the need for a WRz threat downfield to open the field up for Michael Thomas and Jared Cook, we don't need to move up in round 1 for a WR...[/B]
If this WR group is good as most scouts are saying, we can get one in later rounds. I hope we are targeting a O lineman ... early. We got our a** kicked in the trenches vs the Vikings.

Winning in the playoffs start in the trenches. Just imagine if another R Ramz falls to us late in the 1st round?

A big nasty please.

halloween 65 02-14-2020 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 879941)
Malcolm Brown really disappeared down the stretch last season - in training camp he was wowing all the local media columnists...
Same thing he did when he was with the Pats. I wasn't one who loved this move in the first place.

AsylumGuido 02-14-2020 04:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 879941)
Malcolm Brown really disappeared down the stretch last season - in training camp he was wowing all the local media columnists...
To me it appeared Brown was more effective against the run than the pass. Wasn't that pretty much his forte?

ChrisXVI 02-14-2020 04:45 PM
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Do you guys know much about UL Lafayette’s Robert Hunt? I think he played some tackle at ULL but projects best to LG. Does he have Payton’s desired “ass and mass” and the mean streak we need?

K Major 02-14-2020 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 879955)
Do you guys know much about UL Lafayette’s Robert Hunt? I think he played some tackle at ULL but projects best to LG. Does he have Payton’s desired “ass and mass” and the mean streak we need?

Hadn't seen him play but from the scouting reports I've read, he could be one of the top "under the radar" prospects in this draft class.

Although ULL (always gonna be USL for me) got steam rolled vs Bama, it appears Hunt held his own and played extremely well. Early projections have him selected between 3-5 rounds.

FWIW, he's been invited to the NFL combine to showcase his talents.

Saints really could use another dawg on the O line.

ChrisXVI 02-14-2020 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 879957)
Hadn't seen him play but from the scouting reports I've read, he could be one of the top "under the radar" prospects in this draft class.

Although ULL (always gonna be USL for me) got steam rolled vs Bama, it appears Hunt held his own and played extremely well. Early projections have him selected between 3-5 rounds.

FWIW, he's been invited to the NFL combine to showcase his talents.

Saints really could use another dawg on the O line.
I’m not very good at scouting O-Linemen. Seeing things like leverage, hand placement, etc is pretty difficult on normal broadcast footage.

jeanpierre 02-14-2020 10:30 PM
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Offensive Linemen

There's the Physical Checklist matching up to the offensive scheme...

Leverage: How quickly and consistently do they get into position off the snap...

Power: Can they absorb their opponents' power; and, can they physically move their opponent...

Feet: how quickly and consistently do they get into position off the snap; and can they make solid, effective combo blocks on first level (DT, DE), and second level (LB, DB)...

Hand Placement: do they consistently put their hands inside the shoulders, if they miss results in missed block or a holding call...

Availability: Do they stay healthy, Ironmen

Position Flexibility: How many positions can they play on line...

jeanpierre 02-15-2020 06:49 PM
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jeanpierre 02-16-2020 07:46 PM
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jeanpierre 02-16-2020 08:05 PM
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jeanpierre 02-16-2020 08:08 PM
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jeanpierre 02-16-2020 08:09 PM
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Watch LG No. 71...

jeanpierre 02-16-2020 08:20 PM
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Watch Michigan LG Bredeson and LT Runyan...


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