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jeanpierre 05-05-2020 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 888174)
I think Mitch was simply a bad pick by Ryan Pace and his scouts.

All I see from him over the years is a decent "back up" candidate.
Put Trubisky in the same class as Andy Dalton - if the quarterback/offensive coordinator had been there, they'd had lots of success...

The pick was bad from the standpoint, the reach to take him, and not having the staff and personnel in place for it to work...

jeanpierre 05-05-2020 11:43 AM
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ChrisXVI 05-05-2020 03:05 PM
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Oh that would be disastrous.

jeanpierre 05-05-2020 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 888195)
Oh that would be disastrous.
This is EXACTLY the scenario that I'd been asking should Payton/Loomis' practice of pushing the debt into the future (kinda like Congress) and got me blocked for asking it...

It'll be interesting to see if the cap gets rolled back exactly who we'd have to let go, or couldn't be extended because of current, past cap commitments...

AsylumGuido 05-05-2020 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 888196)
https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/s...51159781167105



This is EXACTLY the scenario that I'd been asking should Payton/Loomis' practice of pushing the debt into the future (kinda like Congress) and got me blocked for asking it...

It'll be interesting to see if the cap gets rolled back exactly who we'd have to let go, or couldn't be extended because of current, past cap commitments...
I would assume the league would override the cap formula based upon the extenuating circumstances. There is no way they would force teams to cut a plethora of players to follow a dramatically declined expected income. The NFL's success depends upon competitive balance above everything.

Don't forget, the owners own the league. They can change those type of rules without any player input ... not that players would object. I serious doubt there is anything to worry about down those lines.

jeanpierre 05-05-2020 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 888198)
I would assume the league would override the cap formula based upon the extenuating circumstances. There is no way they would force teams to cut a plethora of players to follow a dramatically declined expected income. The NFL's success depends upon competitive balance above everything.

Don't forget, the owners own the league. They can change those type of rules without any player input ... not that players would object. I serious doubt there is anything to worry about down those lines.
The realist in me would agree with you, however...

Keep in mind, we're not exactly on the Commissioner's Christmas Card List, and I don't know that Gayle Benson has the stroke among the owners that Tommy-boy had...

And this could give a few teams the opportunity to breakthrough on us...

jeanpierre 05-05-2020 04:02 PM
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K Major 05-05-2020 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 888203)
Kind of surprised he is still out there.

His price tag may have run off some teams perhaps.

K Major 05-05-2020 04:26 PM
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Speaking of Free Agents ...

I'm beginning to wonder if the Vikings will bring back Everson Griffen on a one year deal?

jeanpierre 05-05-2020 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 888205)
Speaking of Free Agents ...

I'm beginning to wonder if the Vikings will bring back Everson Griffen on a one year deal?
Not sure if it's Griffen's asking price or teams or looking at the decline in his number of pressures, tackles; he's got some subpar graded games against mid-tier to elite offensive lines...

saintsfan1976 05-05-2020 06:05 PM
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I'll be monitoring linebackers come cut time...

st thomas 05-06-2020 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 888198)
I would assume the league would override the cap formula based upon the extenuating circumstances. There is no way they would force teams to cut a plethora of players to follow a dramatically declined expected income. The NFL's success depends upon competitive balance above everything.

Don't forget, the owners own the league. They can change those type of rules without any player input ... not that players would object. I serious doubt there is anything to worry about down those lines.

Goodell saw the writing on the wall when he cut his own salary out so he can keep his nose way up the asres of the owners , it’s coming pay cuts that is and I expect it won’t be less than 20% across the board for players coaches and employees and they should not fight it in the least bit. And it’s going to take a few years to revert. This is just ST’s opinion and not hearsay


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jeanpierre 05-06-2020 09:30 AM
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Couple of Observations Re: Television Revenue, Stadium Revenue vs Social Distancing Effects

You know, if crowd restriction to observe social distancing looks to stay, we may see the reality of All-Skyboxes Stadiums become a reality much sooner...

If NFL Franchises move quicker to All-Skyboxes Stadiums, their stadium revenues for tickets should remain closer, in fact, they'd save in sales and advertising ticket costs...

Where they will take a big hit is in concessions; but not sure the profit margins on consumables couldn't be made up in other areas...

However, social distancing will have more fans watching games on the television, so why would ad revenues go down with more people watching?

Now, maybe overall economic conditions may cause advertisers to reign in money, causing networks to pull back, but not because of demand on the television...

AsylumGuido 05-06-2020 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 888240)
Couple of Observations Re: Television Revenue, Stadium Revenue vs Social Distancing Effects

You know, if crowd restriction to observe social distancing looks to stay, we may see the reality of All-Skyboxes Stadiums become a reality much sooner...

If NFL Franchises move quicker to All-Skyboxes Stadiums, their stadium revenues for tickets should remain closer, in fact, they'd save in sales and advertising ticket costs...

Where they will take a big hit is in concessions; but not sure the profit margins on consumables couldn't be made up in other areas...

However, social distancing will have more fans watching games on the television, so why would ad revenues go down with more people watching?

Now, maybe overall economic conditions may cause advertisers to reign in money, causing networks to pull back, but not because of demand on the television...
This is all true. The television revenues are what drives the cap and I would expect viewership, given the season taking place, to be record setting. As for the season taking place, I seriously doubt that it won't. The Korean Baseball league just licked off their season yesterday. I watched a game. It can be done.

Beastmode 05-06-2020 12:17 PM
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If people can't pay their rent then they can't pay for TV. If TV revenue is down then they can't pay the NFL. If the NFL can't get paid then they can't pay teams and staff.

st thomas 05-06-2020 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 888245)
If people can't pay their rent then they can't pay for TV. If TV revenue is down then they can't pay the NFL. If the NFL can't get paid then they can't pay teams and staff.

Xactly


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AsylumGuido 05-06-2020 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 888245)
If people can't pay their rent then they can't pay for TV. If TV revenue is down then they can't pay the NFL. If the NFL can't get paid then they can't pay teams and staff.
More TV is being watched now than ever. I'll bet this year's NFL TV ratings break all records. The NFL draft set a new all-time record. The 2020 viewership was up an astounding 37% over the 2019 numbers. TV revenue is based upon viewership which drive ad pricing. TV revenue should go through the roof.

saintsfan1976 05-06-2020 01:55 PM
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More TV is being watched now than ever. I'll bet this year's NFL TV ratings break all records. The NFL draft set a new all-time record. The 2020 viewership was up an astounding 37% over the 2019 numbers. TV revenue is based upon viewership which drive ad pricing. TV revenue should go through the roof.
Agree and on top of that I'll be the NFL maneuvers to make more games available to fans no matter their market.

AsylumGuido 05-06-2020 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 888250)
Agree and on top of that I'll be the NFL maneuvers to make more games available to fans no matter their market.
There is a far greater chance that college football will not be played because the campuses would have to be open. The NFL is already talking about playing three games every Saturday, as well. That's three extra viewing windows per week or 48 extra for the season. That's a 60% increase over the current number of windows per week (three Sunday, one Monday and one Thursday). TV revenues could be huge for 2020!

Beastmode 05-06-2020 04:47 PM
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Less paid TV (cable) is being watched which is where the NFL draws its revenue, most of it anyway. People are streaming and though hard to believe, regular old antenna TV is on the rise and really hurting paid TV

Free antenna TV is about to enter a new heyday with ATSC 3.0. Broadcast in 4k, better sound and a lot more channels with other new features. This is all going down right now.

The NFL is in decline and this year will be one of the worst.

AsylumGuido 05-06-2020 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 888257)
Less paid TV (cable) is being watched which is where the NFL draws its revenue, most of it anyway. People are streaming and though hard to believe, regular old antenna TV is on the rise and really hurting paid TV

Free antenna TV is about to enter a new heyday with ATSC 3.0. Broadcast in 4k, better sound and a lot more channels with other new features. This is all going down right now.

The NFL is in decline and this year will be one of the worst.
And the voice of doom has spoken once again!

LOL!!!

halloween 65 05-06-2020 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 888257)
Less paid TV (cable) is being watched which is where the NFL draws its revenue, most of it anyway. People are streaming and though hard to believe, regular old antenna TV is on the rise and really hurting paid TV

Free antenna TV is about to enter a new heyday with ATSC 3.0. Broadcast in 4k, better sound and a lot more channels with other new features. This is all going down right now.

The NFL is in decline and this year will be one of the worst.
Between cable and internet it's pretty expensive, add a couple premium channels it's high to me around $230 a month give or take. A new cable subscription goes reasonable but they screw people who continue to keep there service year after year, adding the NFL package puts things well over the top. I like to watch live games( fans in the stands) but they can count me out with the skycam with no fans. I've watched games for as long as I can remember( getting on the roof as a kid to get a better picture) but enough will be enough with empty seats and paying an arm and a leg to watch a game on TV. I can use that money on a bass boat,guns, bows, 4 wheeler, Harley or whatever.

saintsfan1976 05-06-2020 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 888257)
Less paid TV (cable) is being watched which is where the NFL draws its revenue, most of it anyway. People are streaming and though hard to believe, regular old antenna TV is on the rise and really hurting paid TV

Free antenna TV is about to enter a new heyday with ATSC 3.0. Broadcast in 4k, better sound and a lot more channels with other new features. This is all going down right now.

The NFL is in decline and this year will be one of the worst.
You think ATSC won't have subscription programming?

Beastmode 05-06-2020 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 888265)
You think ATSC won't have subscription programming?



They are saying it will but like the current system on Amazon and Netflix but it won't be cheap but correct. It will be a la carte. If you want an NFL game it can likely be paid for for like $15-25 or something stupid which not many are going to pay that price.

The free programming on regular antenna ATSC 3.0 is going to be extensive. Even now, in big markets there is no need for cable TV. The programming is actually decent and it's all free. I could totally afford cable but haven't had it in 7 yrs and don't miss it. Coupled with Amazon Prime and HBO GO I'm getting a bargain.


I get over 60 channels. The regulars plus movie channels, syndication shows, home improvement channel. That's not even counting the other free 50 internet channels. Cable TV is dying.

Beastmode 05-06-2020 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 888258)
And the voice of doom has spoken once again!

LOL!!!

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jeanpierre 05-07-2020 09:43 AM
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Anyways, this happened...

st thomas 05-07-2020 10:26 AM
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NFL = everything they touch turns to GOLD


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blackangold 05-07-2020 11:32 AM
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The NFL is going to be just fine...

Please don't pay for cable.

Solid internet connection= $60
Streaming service like AT&T On demand= $40

st thomas 05-07-2020 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 888311)
The NFL is going to be just fine...

Please don't pay for cable.

Solid internet connection= $60
Streaming service like AT&T On demand= $40

I’m not paying for cable but dish is ripping me off I have no sports channels since the pandemic saving 45 bucks a month but my bill is still 97.00 a mo. No premium chls at all . Lookin into streaming now


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jeanpierre 05-07-2020 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 888311)
The NFL is going to be just fine...

Please don't pay for cable.

Solid internet connection= $60
Streaming service like AT&T On demand= $40
https://media1.tenor.com/images/34b2...temid=14358247

jeanpierre 05-07-2020 12:49 PM
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Well, sh*t-fire!

st thomas 05-07-2020 01:10 PM
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He’s church I knew it his shoulder is whack


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K Major 05-07-2020 01:22 PM
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All Fig Newton needs to do is to continue training, rehabbing etc. QB's go down. Someone will get injured. Another starting position will open up at some point this season.

Just wait. What's the hurry?

halloween 65 05-07-2020 01:41 PM
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Can't wait to see how Fig acts and says when he's on the bench. Lord only knows if he gets on a losing team and a qb has a bad game. I can't stand this dude.

ChrisXVI 05-07-2020 04:02 PM
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Of course we did.

K Major 05-07-2020 04:10 PM
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Carr is a camp body.

Dude had 1 reception in 2019.

blackangold 05-07-2020 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 888345)
Carr is a camp body.

Dude had 1 reception in 2019.
The problem is he wasn't a camp body last year... he made the roster, and was active for some games. I think I would prefer 4 QBs instead of Carr.

K Major 05-07-2020 05:03 PM
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The problem is he wasn't a camp body last year... he made the roster, and was active for some games. I think I would prefer 4 QBs instead of Carr.
I'd rather give Dez a workout.

I understand Sean P loves a blocking WR (we have Hogan for that) but Carr is pretty useless on Sundays.

st thomas 05-07-2020 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 888353)
I'd rather give Dez a workout.

I understand Sean P loves a blocking WR (we have Hogan for that) but Carr is pretty useless on Sundays.

I mean wtf,TLL Austin Carr, treyquan Smith = water boys stoned on Gatorade


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jeanpierre 05-09-2020 10:02 AM
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