2022 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints

jeanpierre · 04-12-2021, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What is the supposed aggregate history that you claim proves your point?

The Payton/Loomis era is far and away the most successful in franchise history.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Most Saints fans know the history, should they get a pass for their gaffes because of the Superbowl win?

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Get a pass for what? I don't get where you are coming from on this. Do they (Payton/Loomis) need a pass for being in arguably the best division in the NFC for most of their tenure? They are getting no pass nor do they deserve any pass. The condemnation apparently exists mostly in your point of view.

You're evading the simple question - should Payton Loomis get a pass from any, all criticism because they won won Superbowl?

AsylumGuido · 04-13-2021, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You're evading the simple question - should Payton Loomis get a pass from any, all criticism because they won won Superbowl?

Of course not, if the criticism was warranted. I see very little area for criticism. Far, far less than most in their positions. They have done their best to put the Saints in the position to win it all more times than not over the past two decades. Unfortunately other factors come into play that can affect that ultimate success.

jeanpierre · 04-13-2021, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Of course not, if the criticism was warranted. I see very little area for criticism. Far, far less than most in their positions. They have done their best to put the Saints in the position to win it all more times than not over the past two decades. Unfortunately other factors come into play that can affect that ultimate success.

Still evading the question - Are Payton and Loomis beyond reproach, above any criticism because they won one Superbowl?

AsylumGuido · 04-13-2021, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Still evading the question - Are Payton and Loomis beyond reproach, above any criticism because they won one Superbowl?

And I'll repeat, of course not. If criticism is warranted then sure. But to blame them for ONLY winning a single Super Bowl is foolish. They receive plenty of warranted criticism as has been pointed out, as does every single GM and head coach in the NFL. You, however, seem to want to blame anything and everything on the two of them. Everyone is flawed. No one is perfect. But reading your constant berating of them leads one to believe they are the worse GM/coach pairing to have ever walked the earth.

gosaints1 · 04-13-2021, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You're evading the simple question - should Payton Loomis get a pass from any, all criticism because they won won Superbowl?

No, they shouldn’t. Critical analysis, unbiased and unemotional =/= toxicity.

AsylumGuido · 04-13-2021, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

No, they shouldn’t. Critical analysis, unbiased and unemotional =/= toxicity.

Therein lies the issue.

jeanpierre · 04-13-2021, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Therein lies the issue.

It's only emotional for you...

AsylumGuido · 04-13-2021, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

It's only emotional for you...

Not so. I am realistic. I recognize the FACT that we have enjoyed the greatest era of Saints football because of what Payton and Loomis have accomplished. Your clear distaste for them both seems almost personal in nature (ie. emotional).

jeanpierre · 04-13-2021, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not so. I am realistic. I recognize the FACT that we have enjoyed the greatest era of Saints football because of what Payton and Loomis have accomplished. Your clear distaste for them both seems almost personal in nature (ie. emotional).

You have a distaste for any criticism of Payton, Loomis; you spin it personal as it's only personal for you...

AsylumGuido · 04-13-2021, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You have a distaste for any criticism of Payton, Loomis; you spin it personal as it's only personal for you...

Not true. If the criticism is warranted I have no problem. We simply have a differing viewpoint of when and what is warranted. In certain areas their philosophy differs from yours. In certain areas your philosophies differ from mine. That doesn't make any of us wrong. It means we favor different approaches.

04-12-2021, 07:00 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What is the supposed aggregate history that you claim proves your point? The Payton/Loomis era is far and away the most successful in franchise history. Originally Posted by jeanpierre Most Saints fans know the history, should they get a pass for their gaffes because of the Superbowl win? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Get a pass for what? I don't get where you are coming from on this. Do they (Payton/Loomis) need a pass for being in arguably the best division in the NFC for most of their tenure? They are getting no pass nor do they deserve any pass. The condemnation apparently exists mostly in your point of view. You're evading the simple question - should Payton Loomis get a pass from any, all criticism because they won won Superbowl?
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04-13-2021, 08:04 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre You're evading the simple question - should Payton Loomis get a pass from any, all criticism because they won won Superbowl? Of course not, if the criticism was warranted. I see very little area for criticism. Far, far less than most in their positions. They have done their best to put the Saints in the position to win it all more times than not over the past two decades. Unfortunately other factors come into play that can affect that ultimate success.

04-13-2021, 01:06 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Of course not, if the criticism was warranted. I see very little area for criticism. Far, far less than most in their positions. They have done their best to put the Saints in the position to win it all more times than not over the past two decades. Unfortunately other factors come into play that can affect that ultimate success. Still evading the question - Are Payton and Loomis beyond reproach, above any criticism because they won one Superbowl?

04-13-2021, 03:42 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Still evading the question - Are Payton and Loomis beyond reproach, above any criticism because they won one Superbowl? And I'll repeat, of course not. If criticism is warranted then sure. But to blame them for ONLY winning a single Super Bowl is foolish. They receive plenty of warranted criticism as has been pointed out, as does every single GM and head coach in the NFL. You, however, seem to want to blame anything and everything on the two of them. Everyone is flawed. No one is perfect. But reading your constant berating of them leads one to believe they are the worse GM/coach pairing to have ever walked the earth.

04-13-2021, 09:49 AM	#5
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre You're evading the simple question - should Payton Loomis get a pass from any, all criticism because they won won Superbowl? No, they shouldn’t. Critical analysis, unbiased and unemotional =/= toxicity.
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04-13-2021, 12:19 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by gosaints1 No, they shouldn’t. Critical analysis, unbiased and unemotional =/= toxicity. Therein lies the issue.

04-13-2021, 01:07 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Therein lies the issue. *It's only emotional for you...*

04-13-2021, 03:48 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre *It's only emotional for you...* Not so. I am realistic. I recognize the FACT that we have enjoyed the greatest era of Saints football because of what Payton and Loomis have accomplished. Your clear distaste for them both seems almost personal in nature (ie. emotional).

04-13-2021, 04:33 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not so. I am realistic. I recognize the FACT that we have enjoyed the greatest era of Saints football because of what Payton and Loomis have accomplished. Your clear distaste for them both seems almost personal in nature (ie. emotional). You have a distaste for any criticism of Payton, Loomis; you spin it personal as it's only personal for you...

04-13-2021, 04:40 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre You have a distaste for any criticism of Payton, Loomis; you spin it personal as it's only personal for you... Not true. If the criticism is warranted I have no problem. We simply have a differing viewpoint of when and what is warranted. In certain areas their philosophy differs from yours. In certain areas your philosophies differ from mine. That doesn't make any of us wrong. It means we favor different approaches.