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jeanpierre 02-24-2021 06:25 PM
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ChrisXVI 02-24-2021 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 915057)
I really think Levi might be the guy they’re zeroing in on.

Boston Saint 02-24-2021 07:24 PM
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Based upon nothing but gut feeling, I predict they go OL with first round pick and work out deals with Ram and Latt.

jeanpierre 02-25-2021 08:03 AM
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If you go with a standout 3-tech to replace likely departing FA Sheldon Rankins, Onyemata gives you a more dynamic NT, releasing Brown saves nearly $5M in cap space...

That gets you to friendlier cap numbers spent on your interior defensive line...

K Major 02-25-2021 08:56 AM
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I hope the Saints extend Malcolm Brown. An above average player in New Orleans and he's in his prime.

Our D line regressed (run support) while he was out due to injury. He's an important piece and I hope Loomis and co can find a way to keep him.

jeanpierre 02-25-2021 09:02 AM
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jeanpierre 02-25-2021 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 915071)
I hope the Saints extend Malcolm Brown. An above average player in New Orleans and he's in his prime.

Our D line regressed (run support) while he was out due to injury. He's an important piece and I hope Loomis and co can find a way to keep him.
One of the reasons Belichick had issues with Brown was complete game availability or conditioning and his lack of production (Richard Seymour really spoiled 'em)...

Don't disagree Brown at NT allowed Onyemata to rip & go, but we must have more inside pressure to kill a couple more drives per game; Onyemata could be that NT, find the DT Rankins, like Ellis, was expected to be...

K Major 02-25-2021 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 915073)
One of the reasons Belichick had issues with Brown was complete game availability or conditioning and his lack of production (Richard Seymour really spoiled 'em)...

Don't disagree Brown at NT allowed Onyemata to rip & go, but we must have more inside pressure to kill a couple more drives per game; Onyemata could be that NT, find the DT Rankins, like Ellis, was expected to be...
I'm hopeful Sheldon returns (Free Agent) as well. With prior injuries over his young career, he could come at an affordable rate for us.

At worst, he's solid depth.

Thoughts ?

jeanpierre 02-25-2021 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 915075)
I'm hopeful Sheldon returns (Free Agent) as well. With prior injuries over his young career, he could come at an affordable rate for us.

At worst, he's solid depth.

Thoughts ?
Rankins has done a few interviews and said teams need to focus on his 2018 film to see the Rankins there getting; if that's the case, should he only be signed for one year? what about the other seasons?

jeanpierre 02-25-2021 11:27 AM
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Early First Round Targets:
  • CB Jay Horn; Height: 6' 1"; Weight: 205 lbs

  • LB Jabril Cox, LSU; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 233 lbs

  • DT Levi Onwuzurike, UW; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 290 lbs

  • QB Kyle Trask,Florida; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 240 lbs

  • S Trevon Moehrig; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 202 lbs

  • RT Samuel Cosmi,Florida; Height: 6' 7; Weight: 309 lbs

  • WR Rondale Moore, Purdue; Height: 5' 9"; Weight: 175 lbs

jeanpierre 02-25-2021 11:33 AM
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Early First Round Targets:
  • CB Jay Horn; Height: 6' 1"; Weight: 205 lbs

  • LB Jabril Cox, LSU/ND St; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 233 lbs

  • DT Levi Onwuzurike, UW; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 290 lbs

  • QB Kyle Trask, Florida; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 240 lbs

  • S Trevon Moehrig, TCU; Height: 6' 2"; Weight: 202 lbs

  • RT Dillon Radunz, ND St; Height: 6' 5; Weight: 304 lbs

  • WR Rondale Moore, Purdue; Height: 5' 9"; Weight: 175 lbs

    Update: Had Sam Cosmi when I'd meant to put Dillon Radunz on this list, so I've updated it.

jeanpierre 02-25-2021 11:34 AM
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jeanpierre 02-25-2021 11:36 AM
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jeanpierre 02-25-2021 11:39 AM
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(Sharing Again)

jeanpierre 02-25-2021 11:39 AM
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jeanpierre 02-25-2021 11:40 AM
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K Major 02-25-2021 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 915081)
[*]LB Jabril Cox, LSU; Height: 6' 3"; Weight: 233 lbs
Assuming Cox falls to the 2nd round, Saints really need to consider selecting him. Good in coverage & fits the 4-3 system. IMO he can help year 1. Demario is a year older & most likely Anzalone is done in NO. Jury still out on Baun. 76 and I continue to beat the drum on this position.

Unfortunate we lost Kwon because he brought another element to our defense in his first game as a Saint.

Sideline to sideline guys who arrive with bad intentions is needed and necessary. See Buc Devan White. He's a problem.

K Major 02-25-2021 01:17 PM
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Penn State is linebacker U. Parsons is a dawg.

jeanpierre 02-25-2021 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 915090)
Assuming Cox falls to the 2nd round, Saints really need to consider selecting him. Good in coverage & fits the 4-3 system. IMO he can help year 1. Demario is a year older & most likely Anzalone is done in NO. Jury still out on Baun. 76 and I continue to beat the drum on this position.

Unfortunate we lost Kwon because he brought another element to our defense in his first game as a Saint.

Sideline to sideline guys who arrive with bad intentions is needed and necessary. See Buc Devan White. He's a problem.
Once I saw him on the field in a Saints uniform, Baun is a 3-4 Jack...

K Major 02-25-2021 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 915101)
Once I saw him on the field in a Saints uniform, Baun is a 3-4 Jack...
Damn.

gosaints1 02-25-2021 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 915101)
Once I saw him on the field in a Saints uniform, Baun is a 3-4 Jack...
What good is a 3-4 (J) backer in a predominantly 4-3 defense though? Dennis Allen is on record as stating “I’m an 11 best players” guy wrt defensive scheme, which cause some uncertainty in what positions in defensive personnel, draft including, are prioritized. The last couple years, it seems the Saints have played more 4-2-5 than 3-4, right?

Have my eyes failed me? Am I wrong?

K Major 02-25-2021 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 915108)
What good is a 3-4 (J) backer in a predominantly 4-3 defense though? Dennis Allen is on record as stating “I’m an 11 best players” guy wrt defensive scheme, which cause some uncertainty in what positions in defensive personnel, draft including, are prioritized. The last couple years, it seems the Saints have played more 4-2-5 than 3-4, right?

Have my eyes failed me? Am I wrong?
Right on & no you aren't wrong.

Small sample size but what I've seen from Baun, I've liked. He's excelled on special teams & when inserted into the starting lineup he has made tackles on those boundaries (sidelines).

Puzzles me that he didn't have a lot of playing time. But yes, I'm right there with you. Why draft guys you aren't going to use? Dennis Allen's scheme is frustrating.

All I can see is that he was on a 2020 roster full of talent & no full pre season to shine.

Maybe 2021 will be different for ZBaun. Again, I'm a fan of his play.

ChrisXVI 02-25-2021 06:03 PM
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As far as I know, Baun was potentially going to play Mike LB. I don’t know if that plan is still in place or not.

lee909 02-25-2021 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 915072)
Saw this and did t watch any of Bolton in college.

More than concerned by the write up though, smacks of Stephone Anthony

Bolton is slightly undersized for the position and hasn’t quite shown the top end speed to compensate, but he has the skills, smarts



We need the speed at LB, only need to look at the rest of the South and they way they have LB that fly.

K Major 02-25-2021 08:51 PM
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What are the chances the Saints go cornerback in the 1st?

Looking at Janoris Jenkins cap number next season, I don't see how he takes a paycut or the Saints retaining him.

He could end up a cap casualty. If he leaves, CB position becomes a need for us.

Thoughts?

lee909 02-25-2021 10:59 PM
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CB, FS, DE, DT

All need filled.

Cant rely on Davenport getting through a season.
Unlikely Williams is back
Rankins a possibility if he doesn't get the offers he wants

And plenty of questions at CB with Lattimore deal and Jack rabbits cap.
Lattimore is going to want to be the best paid CB in football. Not sure I'd make him that to be honest. On his day he is as good as anyone but too often he plays up or down to the level of his opponent.

jeanpierre 02-26-2021 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 915130)
What are the chances the Saints go cornerback in the 1st?

Looking at Janoris Jenkins cap number next season, I don't see how he takes a paycut or the Saints retaining him.

He could end up a cap casualty. If he leaves, CB position becomes a need for us.

Thoughts?
That's why I listed Jaycee Horn (yes, for those that don't know it's Joe Horn's son)...

jeanpierre 02-26-2021 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 915101)
Once I saw him on the field in a Saints uniform, Baun is a 3-4 Jack...
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 915106)
Damn.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 915108)
What good is a 3-4 (J) backer in a predominantly 4-3 defense though? Dennis Allen is on record as stating “I’m an 11 best players” guy wrt defensive scheme, which cause some uncertainty in what positions in defensive personnel, draft including, are prioritized. The last couple years, it seems the Saints have played more 4-2-5 than 3-4, right?

Have my eyes failed me? Am I wrong?
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 915124)
As far as I know, Baun was potentially going to play Mike LB. I don’t know if that plan is still in place or not.
Look, that's just me; I see him excelling in that (Jack) position...

Could he play Sam, Mike or Will? Sure. But I think you put this guy in as a Jack, he could devastate one side of the field, reach his full potential...

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Anzalone would probably make a better 3-4 LBer just to reduce some of his reads/assignments so he could just turn loose his athleticism...

In fact, after taking Anzalone, I thought we might be working our way back to a 3-4 with Cam slowing down, then we went and took Davenport with two ones and a fifth...

Now, if we were playing old pass defense rules, I'd love to see Baun used in a 46, that'd be real exciting to see...

But he just didn't seem as fluid in space as our LBers (e.g. Davis and Kwon) need to be in our nickel, heavy nickel, dime packages...

gosaints1 02-26-2021 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 915142)
Look, that's just me; I see him excelling in that (Jack) position...

Could he play Sam, Mike or Will? Sure. But I think you put this guy in as a Jack, he could devastate one side of the field, reach his full potential...

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Anzalone would probably make a better 3-4 LBer just to reduce some of his reads/assignments so he could just turn loose his athleticism...

In fact, after taking Anzalone, I thought we might be working our way back to a 3-4 with Cam slowing down, then we went and took Davenport with two ones and a fifth...

Now, if we were playing old pass defense rules, I'd love to see Baun used in a 46, that'd be real exciting to see...

But he just didn't seem as fluid in space as our LBers (e.g. Davis and Kwon) need to be in our nickel, heavy nickel, dime packages...
Agreed, a playmaker is a playmaker is a playmaker. I understand that logic. Kinda like if the Saints were to sign a speedy veteran WR to get past the secondary quick, fast and in a hurry, yet have a QB that either is unable to deliver a deep ball or is more often than not extremely hesitant to even try. The WR would still be a baller..., but not in the situation he would presently be in.

Don’t we show 46 every now and then, but substituting an additional SS at the line, instead of a pure (J) LBer? It’s a 46 look though, right? lol, sometimes it worked, Jenkins had 2.5 sacks at that pos’n (effectively) last season. One more than either Rankins or Davenport. Sorry, couldn’t resist leaving you with Two 1sts on your mind on my way out.

ChrisXVI 02-26-2021 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 915141)
That's why I listed Jaycee Horn (yes, for those that don't know it's Joe Horn's son)...
CB Greg Newsome (Northwestern) is right up there for me.

K Major 02-26-2021 08:13 AM
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Chris -

In post 80, you mentioned the corner back Elijah Molden (second round) possibly to the Saints. He has a lot of ability & turns his head around a lot in pass coverage. He played a lot in the slot last season. Replacement for PRob perhaps?

ChrisXVI 02-26-2021 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 915152)
Chris -

In post 80, you mentioned the corner back Elijah Molden (second round) possibly to the Saints. He has a lot of ability & turns his head around a lot in pass coverage. He played a lot in the slot last season. Replacement for PRob perhaps?

Elijah Molden 2018 & 2019 Highlights | Washington CB - YouTube
He’s fantastic and really is the prototype nickel CB. He’s physical and plays so well in traffic with excellent awareness.

We have CJGJ in that role though. I think we look for more of an outside CB.

jeanpierre 02-26-2021 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 915151)
CB Greg Newsome (Northwestern) is right up there for me.
But, can he stay healthy? Always seemed to be hurt vs the big competition...

jeanpierre 02-26-2021 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 915136)
CB, FS, DE, DT

All need filled.

Cant rely on Davenport getting through a season.
Unlikely Williams is back
Rankins a possibility if he doesn't get the offers he wants

And plenty of questions at CB with Lattimore deal and Jack rabbits cap.
Lattimore is going to want to be the best paid CB in football. Not sure I'd make him that to be honest. On his day he is as good as anyone but too often he plays up or down to the level of his opponent.
I'd have QB and OL right there at the top with LCB...

jeanpierre 02-26-2021 08:57 AM
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jeanpierre 02-26-2021 08:57 AM
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Pay special attention to the play that begins ~ 1:25

K Major 02-26-2021 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 915161)
Pay special attention to the play that begins ~ 1:25

The BEST OL You've NEVER Heard Of | NDSU LT Dillon Radunz Highlights - YouTube
Day 2 candidate? You can never have enough big nasties in the trenches. See Bucs. Some were wondering why Cam Jordan had little success getting to Brady … well they did draft Tristan Wirfs. Immediate impact player on the O line.

jeanpierre 02-26-2021 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 915165)
Day 2 candidate? You can never have enough big nasties in the trenches. See Bucs. Some were wondering why Cam Jordan had little success getting to Brady … well they did draft Tristan Wirfs. Immediate impact player on the O line.
I'd be really surprised he's still on the board Day 2; I'd have to consider trading a future 1 for the top of R2 to get him...

Wirfs was good, but Cam isn't the player he was a couple of years ago - turning 30 is a ***** for NFL Players that are not QBs with a good line...

ChrisXVI 02-26-2021 02:17 PM
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K Major 02-26-2021 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 915174)
Some scouts think he could drop in the draft due to his injury x-( history.

We shall see. Terrific talent though.


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