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Boston Saint 04-15-2021 12:43 PM

Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 918292)
How about trade the round one pick and move back with two early/mid 2nd round pics?

How about trade 28 to Miami for 36 and 50. That gives the Saints picks 36, 50, and 60.

The more I look at it, this trade makes sense for both teams. Miami would have picks 6, 18, and 28. Saints would get 36, 50, and 60.

K Major 04-15-2021 08:32 PM

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Trill Williams - CB Syracuse

Can play both inside and outside. Good size, rangy & is physical. Would be a good prospect for coach Richard to coach up.


ChrisXVI 04-15-2021 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 918292)
How about trade the round one pick and move back with two early/mid 2nd round pics?

How about trade 28 to Miami for 36 and 50. That gives the Saints picks 36, 50, and 60.

We don’t trade back. Ever. It isn’t our MO. You might as well erase the phrase “trade back” from your mind.

Boston Saint 04-15-2021 09:25 PM

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SmashMouth 04-15-2021 10:46 PM

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1st Round Picks
Sheldon Rankins
Marshon Lattimore
Ryan Ramczyk
Marcus Davenport
Cesar Ruiz

2nd Round Picks
Michael Thomas
Vonn Bell
Marcus Williams
Eric Mccoy

3rd Round Picks
Alvin Kamara
Alex Anzalone
Trey Hendrickson
Trequan Smith
Zach Baun
Adam Trautman

4th Round Picks
David Onyemata
Rick Leonard
Chauncey Gardner Johnson


The recent past drafts... they've been whiffing in the later rounds of late.

AsylumGuido 04-16-2021 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 918336)
1st Round Picks
Sheldon Rankins
Marshon Lattimore
Ryan Ramczyk
Marcus Davenport
Cesar Ruiz

2nd Round Picks
Michael Thomas
Vonn Bell
Marcus Williams
Eric Mccoy

3rd Round Picks
Alvin Kamara
Alex Anzalone
Trey Hendrickson
Trequan Smith
Zach Baun
Adam Trautman

4th Round Picks
David Onyemata
Rick Leonard
Chauncey Gardner Johnson


The recent past drafts... they've been whiffing in the later rounds of late.

It seems to be that whiffing in the later rounds is commonplace everywhere. The best front office's appear to do this on a extremely regular basis from my recent research. Practice squad fodder for many for a year or two, if that, before moving onto vinyl siding sales.

But, that's a good number of starters in that list. I'd say the draft has been pretty successful in recent years.

K Major 04-16-2021 08:15 AM

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^^^

David O in the 4th? Wow, nice scouting and coaching up there.

Boston Saint 04-16-2021 09:06 AM

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Saw an interesting stat today. Most consecutive years without drafting a QB in first round:

Saints 49
Cowboys 31
Pats. 27
Seattle. 27

Boston Saint 04-16-2021 12:03 PM

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I also did some brief research and found that, outside of Brady; and Brees at early second round, the top 20+ all time leading passers in all categories are all first round pics. At least from a brief, drunk analysis. Tarkenton and Moon are close.

AsylumGuido 04-16-2021 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 918359)
I also did some brief research and found that, outside of Brady; and Brees at early second round, the top 20+ all time leading passers in all categories are all first round pics. At least from a brief, drunk analysis. Tarkenton and Moon are close.

Yup. I seriously doubt anyone drafting a QB beyond the first round is expecting anything more than a possible backup.

SmashMouth 04-16-2021 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 918348)
Saw an interesting stat today. Most consecutive years without drafting a QB in first round:

Saints 49
Cowboys 31
Pats. 27
Seattle. 27

Well... there's a jinx if I ever saw one. This means SP will be moving up to draft a QB! :bugeyes::biggun:

ChrisXVI 04-16-2021 03:12 PM

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Just for a laugh... I vote LB Chuck Wagon as our 1st round pick.


What I wouldn’t give to see him do that to Matt Ryan on a blitz!

st thomas 04-16-2021 03:59 PM

Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 918372)
Well... there's a jinx if I ever saw one. This means SP will be moving up to draft a QB! :bugeyes::biggun:


Baaaahhhh ha ha


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st thomas 04-16-2021 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 918383)
Baaaahhhh ha ha


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I hope there all gone by pick 28


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st thomas 04-16-2021 04:18 PM

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Charles Davis has us taking Terrance Marshall jr. but most sports peeps expect a CB to us which is fine with me[emoji458]


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ChrisXVI 04-16-2021 04:35 PM

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I would love to go CB in the first round, but I feel like Richard Sherman is our ace in the hole waiting to be our CB2. Which is fine... I wouldn’t want him as CB1 but opposite Lattimore would be fine.

That’s the very likely scenario. We’ll pick BPA in the first round which will probably be a WR or something.

SmashMouth 04-16-2021 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 918348)
Saw an interesting stat today. Most consecutive years without drafting a QB in first round:

Saints 49
Cowboys 31
Pats. 27
Seattle. 27

Does the supplemental draft count, BTW?

QB Dave Wilson

jeanpierre 04-16-2021 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 918393)
Does the supplemental draft count, BTW?

QB Dave Wilson

Nice Catch!

jeanpierre 04-19-2021 08:57 AM

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jeanpierre 04-19-2021 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 918387)
I would love to go CB in the first round, but I feel like Richard Sherman is our ace in the hole waiting to be our CB2. Which is fine... I wouldn’t want him as CB1 but opposite Lattimore would be fine.

That’s the very likely scenario. We’ll pick BPA in the first round which will probably be a WR or something.

CB2 by Committee...

jeanpierre 04-19-2021 09:05 AM

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jeanpierre 04-19-2021 09:05 AM

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jeanpierre 04-19-2021 09:06 AM

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K Major 04-20-2021 09:23 AM

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Miami DE Gregory Rousseau

Heir apparent to Cameron Jordan perhaps? Projections have him taken mid to late 1st round. Do we gamble on another (Davenport) "raw" prospect?


jeanpierre 04-20-2021 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918541)
Miami DE Gregory Rousseau

Heir apparent to Cameron Jordan perhaps? Projections have him taken mid to late 1st round. Do we gamble on another (Davenport) "raw" prospect?

Most Dominant Edge Rusher in the Draft | Miami DE Gregory Rousseau Highlights - YouTube

Miami DE Rousseau reminds me of Davenport, with one distinction - Daniel-san played better competition than Davenport; but like Davenport, it's a very small sample sized...

ChrisXVI 04-21-2021 06:26 PM

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2021 NFL Draft Rumors: D’Wayne Eskridge rising, target for Packers, Saints, Bears

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2...-saints-bears/

Many in the league feel Eskridge has cemented himself as a late second-round selection. So who’s looking at him as Round 2 closes out?

I’m told the speed-needy Green Bay Packers and New Orleans Saints are two teams that are high on Eskridge. So too are the Chicago Bears, who are presently shopping third-year wideout, Anthony Miller.

jeanpierre 04-22-2021 09:55 AM

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Rugby Saint II 04-22-2021 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918561)
Miami DE Rousseau reminds me of Davenport, with one distinction - Daniel-san played better competition than Davenport; but like Davenport, it's a very small sample sized...

I sent him to the Dolphins in our B&G mock.

K Major 04-22-2021 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918649)

Realistically, Newsome could be there at #28.

SmashMouth 04-22-2021 04:54 PM

Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 918348)
Saw an interesting stat today. Most consecutive years without drafting a QB in first round:

Saints 49
Cowboys 31
Pats. 27
Seattle. 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 918393)
Does the supplemental draft count, BTW?

QB Dave Wilson

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918405)
Nice Catch!

Steve Walsh called to say HELLO! I guess he felt left out? :doh: :bng:

SaintFanInATLHELL 04-22-2021 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 918670)
Steve Walsh called to say HELLO! I guess he felt left out? :doh: :bng:

Ummm.
Quote:

(Steve Walsh) The Dallas Cowboys surprised observers by selecting Walsh with the second overall pick in the NFL Supplemental Draft,[2] even though they had already selected Troy Aikman number one overall in the 1989 NFL Draft and had to surrender by rule an equivalent pick in the 1990 NFL Draft, which would turn out to be the number one overall selection.
That was the 31 years ago.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II 04-23-2021 01:36 PM

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Wow! We've got eight picks. I don't ever remember having that many. Most of the time we work with around half that number. The scouts are the most important people in the organization right now. Let's hope they earn their money and a bonus! :p

AsylumGuido 04-23-2021 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 918736)
Wow! We've got eight picks. I don't ever remember having that many. Most of the time we work with around half that number. The scouts are the most important people in the organization right now. Let's hope they earn their money and a bonus! :p

More picks to use to move up and get those special players that they have identified.

K Major 04-23-2021 03:00 PM

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Jaelan Phillips - DE University of Miami

6'5/260 good closer with speed and range. Very good against the run as well. Legit first round talent, could start and be productive from Day 1.

A few scouts compare Jaelan's skill set to ---> CAM JORDAN.


ChrisXVI 04-23-2021 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 918746)
Jaelan Phillips - DE University of Miami

6'5/260 good closer with speed and range. Very good against the run as well. Legit first round talent, could start and be productive from Day 1.

A few scouts compare Jaelan's skill set to ---> CAM JORDAN.

Jaelan Phillips || Miami Hurricanes Defensive Line || 2020 Highlights - YouTube

Best DE in the draft. Fits our profile to a T. Buuut... he’s one concussion away from retirement. He already retired once in college.

Boston Saint 04-23-2021 03:59 PM

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I just can’t see how they don’t go for a CB. Even trade up judging from past drafts. Of course I never have been correct about predicting Saints drafts.

jeanpierre 04-23-2021 04:08 PM

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Wonder what we could get for the dancing bear Mr. Glass?


AsylumGuido 04-23-2021 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918750)
Wonder what we could get for the dancing bear Mr. Glass?

https://twitter.com/toddkarpovich/st...76362783105029

Your Mr. Glass has become more of a Mr. Reliable the past two seasons. What we would get is a hole at left tackle.

lee909 04-23-2021 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 918750)
Wonder what we could get for the dancing bear Mr. Glass?

https://twitter.com/toddkarpovich/st...76362783105029

Whatever we got would need spent on a new LT as I doubt you get more than a late 1 early 2. The big benefit would be in the cap but it's a bit late for that now

AsylumGuido 04-23-2021 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 918764)
Whatever we got would need spent on a new LT as I doubt you get more than a late 1 early 2. The big benefit would be in the cap but it's a bit late for that now

It wouldn't be a help in the cap at all. His base salary is only $1.12 million. The rest are all in bonus guarantees which we would get hit with. With his restructure bonus he counts $8.299 million against the 2021 cap. If we trade him we get hit with a $20.18 million slam.

No way at all we can move him even if we wanted and personally I think that would be beyond foolish as he is one of the best LT's in the league today. They are rare.


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