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lee909 04-04-2021 07:15 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Bored again at work



Trade
Saints Received
36
50
81
258

Dolphins Received
28
98
105


36
Jayson Oweh
Penn State

50
Walker Little
Stanford

60
Quinn Meinerz
Wisconsin - Whitewater

98
Jamin Davis
Kentucky


Trade
Saints Received
98
105

Dolphins Received
81


105
Tay Gowan
UCF


133
Milton Williams
Louisiana Tech


218
Patrick Jones
Pittsburgh


229
Riley Cole
South Alabama


255
Josh Imatorbhebhe
Illinois


258
Robert Jones
Middle Tennessee


Overall
New Orleans Saints
B+

lee909 04-04-2021 07:27 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Yeah im really bored



28
Caleb Farley
Virginia Tech


60
Carlos Basham Jr
Wake Forest


98
Jamin Davis
Kentucky


105
Milton Williams
Louisiana Tech


133
Tay Gowan
UCF


218
Tarron Jackson
Coastal Carolina


229
Josh Imatorbhebhe
Illinois


255
Larry Rountree III
Missouri


Overall
New Orleans Saints
B+

gosaints1 04-04-2021 07:37 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 917638)
Maybe but if you Draft Trask in the 2nd round this year and he shows he can do a job even just to the same level as Winston or Hill then you save a fortune in 2022 with his deal being not much above 1ml a year. If the front office think he is a future starter i would argue it makes plenty of sense
I get your logic and agree, but we fairly recently (2015 iirc) drafted a third round QB, didn’t work out but the FO must have though very highly of him, given the fairly high draft pick, 75 overall, used. I’m not as confident in the Saints player analytics wrt QB’s as I am wrt OLinemen, lol.

The way I’m looking at the QB pos’n right now is unless there is a slam dunk guarantee starter, in this draft, who will be better than Jameis or Taysom..., then don’t address a possible “need” or a possible “cap saver”. This team has some quite obvious, unambiguous needs. Prioritize those.

lee909 04-04-2021 07:41 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
MOCK DRAFT RESULTS
pff.com/mock


DRAFT GRADE
Saints Received
31
94

Kansas Received
28


31
Rashod Bateman
Minnesota


Trade
Saints Received
42

Giants Received
60
94


42
Zaven Collins
Tulsa


98
Tay Gowan
UCF


105
Osa Odighizuwa
UCLA


133
Jamin Davis
Kentucky


218
Michal Menet
Penn State


229
Josh Imatorbhebhe
Illinois

255
Tarron Jackson
Coastal Carolina


Overall
New Orleans Saints
B

K Major 04-04-2021 08:02 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 917640)
Yeah im really bored

28
Caleb Farley
Virginia Tech
Lee I know this is only a "mock" but I hope the Saints stay away from guys with medical red flags in college. Especially that high in the draft. No biggie if we are taking a gamble on a 6th or undrafted player. But 1st or 2nd round ? No way.

Ha'oli Kikaha comes to mind.

lee909 04-04-2021 08:08 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Yeah i'd be the same in a actual draft.
Just really really bored messing around.

For me that's what comp picks are for, players slipping out of the first and second rounds due to injuries i have no issues throwing a comp pick at them, even if you have to red shirt IR them for a year. But i agree the first two rounds should be as sure a bet as you can

ChrisXVI 04-04-2021 08:23 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Zaven Collins will be the pick in the first whether I agree with it or not. A CB like UCF’s Aaron Robinson or Stanford’s Paulson Adebo will be the pick in the second.

lee909 04-04-2021 08:35 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 917647)
Zaven Collins will be the pick in the first whether I agree with it or not. A CB like UCF’s Aaron Robinson or Stanford’s Paulson Adebo will be the pick in the second.
Nah it'll be

R1 Terrace Marshall
R2 Jabril Cox
R3 JaCoby Stevens

Coaches are going to stop the moaning at no LSU Players




Reality is

R1 Wyatt Davis
R2 Pete Werner
R3 Shaun Wade
R3 Baron Browning
R4 Tommy Togiai
R6 Trey Sermon

jeanpierre 04-05-2021 10:10 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 917642)
I get your logic and agree, but we fairly recently (2015 iirc) drafted a third round QB, didn’t work out but the FO must have though very highly of him, given the fairly high draft pick, 75 overall, used. I’m not as confident in the Saints player analytics wrt QB’s as I am wrt OLinemen, lol.

The way I’m looking at the QB pos’n right now is unless there is a slam dunk guarantee starter, in this draft, who will be better than Jameis or Taysom..., then don’t address a possible “need” or a possible “cap saver”. This team has some quite obvious, unambiguous needs. Prioritize those.
Tom Brady was the 199th pick, Round 6. Joe Montana a third round pick. Drew Brees was the 32nd pick, and Brett Favre 33rd pick, both in the second round...

Kurt Warner was an Undrafted Free Agent...

So your QB can come from any location, though I admit, most come in the first round...

jeanpierre 04-05-2021 10:49 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Samuel may be a reach, but he'll justify the pick...

Don't get the grade on Jabril Cox, he'll be fire opposite DeMario...

Know the popular pick would be a WRz, but I want those two TE packages to move methodically downfield, eating clock...

Spencer Brown is my still, and allows the team to move on from Mr. Glass...

Robinson can move in behind Cam Jordan, learn, develop...

Bates makes the TE group young and elite...

With so much veteran money tied into RB, Jermar Jefferson gives a less expensive, more explosive RB to spell Kamara...

Tommy Doyle is listed as a tackle, but he can be a Carl Nicks type LG...

K Major 04-05-2021 12:27 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Just an FYI on the 2021 draft date ...

4/29 - 5/1

Rugby Saint II 04-05-2021 12:59 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 917662)
Just an FYI on the 2021 draft date ...

4/29 - 5/1
Surely the NFL could make more money if they stretched it out longer. Anyone remember when it was a one day affair? It's just another one of the moves Godhell has made to over saturate the market.

I'm surprised that we don't have a 4th game during the week. That would give us Sunday football games which last all day. Monday night football which the NFL is trying to run more double headers on Monday. Then there's the Thursday night games which aren't as fun to watch because they don't have a full week to practice. So that still leaves four more days for the NFL to further expand and over saturate the NFL market.

AsylumGuido 04-05-2021 04:37 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 917664)
Surely the NFL could make more money if they stretched it out longer. Anyone remember when it was a one day affair? It's just another one of the moves Godhell has made to over saturate the market.

I'm surprised that we don't have a 4th game during the week. That would give us Sunday football games which last all day. Monday night football which the NFL is trying to run more double headers on Monday. Then there's the Thursday night games which aren't as fun to watch because they don't have a full week to practice. So that still leaves four more days for the NFL to further expand and over saturate the NFL market.
I'm in. I'll watch NFL every day as long as it is live. The market isn't close to being saturated because every new time slot becomes one of the top viewed programs on broadcast TV. There are a lot of people that work on Sundays so being able to see live games on other days is great.

gosaints1 04-05-2021 10:42 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917658)
Tom Brady was the 199th pick, Round 6. Joe Montana a third round pick. Drew Brees was the 32nd pick, and Brett Favre 33rd pick, both in the second round...

Kurt Warner was an Undrafted Free Agent...

So your QB can come from any location, though I admit, most come in the first round...
Fully understand..., and agree. So..., which one of the potential second round and later guys are going to supplant Tom Brady, or Joe Montana? I don’t think the Saints know either. If they did know, unequivocally and unambiguously, then I’m all on board with drafting a Tom Brady or Joe Montana or Drew Brees replacement, in any position.

Trust me, I know the quantitative analysis is there on dang near everybody in the draft, regardless of pos’n, but sometimes fit with a team, or a single bad position coach, or a personality quirk, etc... can turn a superstar in the making into persona non grata with an NFL team’s FO, ensuring he is seen as a bust.

It’s the uncertainty, not the round drafted. imho, if you’re drafted, you have the potential. After that, it’s just development and fit that makes the difference between success or failure. Brees wasn’t exactly a stud puppy at San Diego, and regardless of injury, I firmly believe he would have been completely wasted had he and Payton not found their joined at the hip relationship.

K Major 04-06-2021 10:05 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
If a top rated tackle falls to us ....

That's the pick at #28 :p

Boston Saint 04-06-2021 10:20 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 917727)
If a top rated tackle falls to us ....

That's the pick at #28 :p
Heck, if a top rated ANY position drops to 28 I’d say that’s the one 🤪

FinSaint 04-06-2021 02:06 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 917729)
Heck, if a top rated ANY position drops to 28 I’d say that’s the one [emoji2957]
Long snapper?!

K Major 04-06-2021 02:47 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Or maybe, just maybe Sean Payton goes back to Alabama and selects Najee Harris @ 28 ?

IIRC we went up to get Mark Ingram. I think ...

Boston Saint 04-06-2021 03:29 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 917737)
Long snapper?!
Heck, I’d take a steady, healthy kicker at this point ! 😝

ChrisXVI 04-06-2021 03:32 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Taking the best player available is a luxury that we can’t really afford this year with so many holes.

AsylumGuido 04-06-2021 03:56 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 917743)
Taking the best player available is a luxury that we can’t really afford this year with so many holes.
As many holes as we have wouldn't taking the best player available most likely fill a hole?

halloween 65 04-06-2021 06:24 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
1. Jamin Davis Ilb/Olb Kentucky
2. Andre Cisco S Syracuse
3. Daviyon Nixon DT Iowa
3.Paulson Adebo CB Stanford
4. Walker Little OT Stanford
6. Khyris Tonga NT BYU ( stash back)
7. Tony Poljan TE Virginia

jeanpierre 04-06-2021 07:43 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 917196)
If the Saints bring in TJ Carrie & ultimately sign him, I think that would spell the end of PRob in New Orleans.

TJ is much more of a slot guy than boundary corner.
But K, what do you do with Gardner? If anything, this Saints roster is thin on boundary, outside-press CBs right now...

At least P-Rob and P.J. can spot-start for you a couple games per season at the outside CB2 spot...

jeanpierre 04-06-2021 07:49 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 917761)
1. Jamin Davis Ilb/Olb Kentucky
2. Andre Cisco S Syracuse
3. Daviyon Nixon DT Iowa
3.Paulson Adebo CB Stanford
4. Walker Little OT Stanford
6. Khyris Tonga NT BYU ( stash back)
7. Tony Poljan TE Virginia
Halloween, you might want to flip Walker Little and Davis there; Walker Little for sure is being talked about in the first round among the more credible scouting services...

Personally Davis is a 3rd grade, though a late 2nd reach would certainly be in his range; but Little is skyrocketing up boards right now...

My favorite tackle, one I hope we draft, is Northern Iowa's Spencer Brown; he could start as a Rookie, allow you to move Ramczyk to LT, pay him accordingly...

You could get some serious draft capital for Armstead, and unload his contract number with a sign and trade...

jeanpierre 04-07-2021 08:18 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 917208)
I took a 3 round spin on it and here’s what I did...

28. CB Eric Stokes (Georgia)

60. LB Jabril Cox (LSU)

98. DT Jay Tufele (USC)

105. DE Patrick Jones II (Pitt)

I’m still not sold on Stokes being a first round talent but I’m not a know-it-all.
IF our CB2 out of Farley, Horn, or Newsome isn't there, nor a really elite top 3 WR doesn't fall, I'd move back and get more Day 2 picks...

There's no DL nor OL out of the top 10 that's a R1 pick to me, nor a QB not named Trevor or Zach...

jeanpierre 04-07-2021 08:24 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 917746)
As many holes as we have wouldn't taking the best player available most likely fill a hole?
Aside from QB1 (Brees), and CB2 (JJenkins), we're essentially returning the same roster, so it's not like we have that many holes as you've argued in past posts...

jeanpierre 04-07-2021 09:11 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 

AsylumGuido 04-07-2021 09:15 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917788)
Aside from QB1 (Brees), and CB2 (JJenkins), we're essentially returning the same roster, so it's not like we have that many holes as you've argued in past posts...
Same roster minus thirteen departures. That's basically a fourth (24.5%) of our 53 man roster from 2020. That's not including the possible loss of Lattimore.

K Major 04-07-2021 09:48 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917767)
But K, what do you do with Gardner? If anything, this Saints roster is thin on boundary, outside-press CBs right now...

At least P-Rob and P.J. can spot-start for you a couple games per season at the outside CB2 spot...
I'd prefer Ceedy at safety ... good range and instincts.

Malcolm Jenkins is old.

halloween 65 04-07-2021 11:20 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917768)
Halloween, you might want to flip Walker Little and Davis there; Walker Little for sure is being talked about in the first round among the more credible scouting services...

Personally Davis is a 3rd grade, though a late 2nd reach would certainly be in his range; but Little is skyrocketing up boards right now...

My favorite tackle, one I hope we draft, is Northern Iowa's Spencer Brown; he could start as a Rookie, allow you to move Ramczyk to LT, pay him accordingly...

You could get some serious draft capital for Armstead, and unload his contract number with a sign and trade...
I personally would like to see Little tutored by Armstead for a year, if Armstead goes down then Little gets worked in early. Davis is rising to a late first or early second close enough at where we pick. I don't want Ram moved, he's nasty where he's at, nothing gets by him.

halloween 65 04-07-2021 11:28 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 917797)
I'd prefer Ceedy at safety ... good range and instincts.

Malcolm Jenkins is old.
I think Jenkins is a weak link in the D, seems Allen is trying to form the secondary around him which is a mistake. Enter a sideline to side line lb (Jamin Davis) and another S Andre Cisco it ends the Jenkins 2.0 experiment.

K Major 04-07-2021 03:09 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Rashod Bateman - WR Minnesota

Excellent technique catching the ball, solid speed and runs great routes. Notice the route starting around 1:22 ... next level stuff.

rezburna 04-07-2021 04:35 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 917787)
IF our CB2 out of Farley, Horn, or Newsome isn't there, nor a really elite top 3 WR doesn't fall, I'd move back and get more Day 2 picks...

There's no DL nor OL out of the top 10 that's a R1 pick to me, nor a QB not named Trevor or Zach...
I like Stokes a little bit.

dizzle88 04-07-2021 05:07 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 917824)
Rashod Bateman - WR Minnesota

Excellent technique catching the ball, solid speed and runs great routes. Notice the route starting around 1:22 ... next level stuff.

Minnesota WR Rashod Bateman Highlights - YouTube
I love to see WR's catching the ball with their hands. Body catchers look so damn awkward and clumsy.

jeanpierre 04-08-2021 09:18 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 

st thomas 04-08-2021 10:19 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 917833)
I love to see WR's catching the ball with their hands. Body catchers look so damn awkward and clumsy.

I’m with u on that, belly catchers what I call them seems to have confidence issues , that’s just me cackling.


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Boston Saint 04-08-2021 10:57 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 917865)
I’m with u on that, belly catchers what I call them seems to have confidence issues , that’s just me cackling.


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Cackle away Thomas. It’s springtime !

jeanpierre 04-08-2021 07:26 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 917829)
I like Stokes a little bit.
But with a first round pick? That's why I'd trade back, take him on Day 2, pick up an add'l Day 2 pick and upgrade or add quality depth at another position...

Couple of Day 2 CBs I like are Paulson Adebo and there's talk Asante Samuel could fall into Round 2 because of his height, and his SPARQ...

We got Tracy Porter in the Second Round...

ChrisXVI 04-09-2021 03:40 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
ChrisXVI 1st Round Mock 1.0

I’m projecting only one trade because it’s a sure thing and that’s Denver trading up to #4 with Atlanta. There will be more trades of course but I’m not guessing all that.

1. Jaguars- QB Trevor Lawrence
2. Jets- QB Zach Wilson
3. 49ers- QB Justin Fields
4. Broncos- QB Trey Lance
5. Bengals- WR Ja’Marr Chase
6. Dolphins- TE Kyle Pitts
7. Lions- WR DeVonta Smith
8. Panthers- OL Penei Sewell
9. Falcons- CB Patrick Surtain II
10. Cowboys- CB Jaycee Horn
11. Giants- OL Rashawn Slater
12. Eagles- Jaylen Waddle
13. Chargers- OL Alijah Vera-Tucker
14. Vikings- OL Christian Darrisaw
15. Patriots- QB Mac Jones
16. Cardinals- CB Caleb Farley
17. Raiders- OL Teven Jenkins
18. Dolphins- Edge Azeez Ojulari
19. WFT- LB Micah Parsons
20. Bears- OL Landon Dickerson
21. Colts- Edge Kwity Paye
22. Titans- CB Greg Newsome II
23. Jets- Edge Jaelan Phillips
24. Steelers- OL Sam Cosmi
25. Jaguars- DT Christian Barmore
26. Browns- LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
27. Ravens- Edge Jayson Oweh
28. Saints- LB Zaven Collins
29. Packers- DT Levi Onwuzurike
30. Bills- Edge Joe Tryon
31. Chiefs- OL Alex Leatherwood
32. Buccaneers- Edge Joseph Ossai

K Major 04-09-2021 03:59 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
^^ good selections ....

XVI - IIRC you called it on Chauncey Gardner J months before that draft class :bng: .

Zaven Collins would be a hell of a pick @28 if he's still there.


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